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let_nova
06-01-08, 06:47 PM
right my nova went for a mot yesterday and he said that it was impossible for me to insure my xe nova without registring it. if that is the case how come highway insurance insured me? :tard:
is it logged as a 2.0 on the V5?
i dont know but iv allways wonderd with a 2.0 nova, is it much hassle getting it road legal is there a guide anywere for changeing logbook and aall that faf because i want one bad
the insurance company dont know its a 2.0 unless you tell them.
Mine have all been logged as 2.0 and still come up as 1400's etc.
Its the tax that the logbook effects
what does the MOT guy know about your insurance policy ?? his job is to MOT the car not give insurance quotes
ring dvla, tell them you have changed engine, they will tell you what form you need, write down the 2.0 engine bumber on form, send it off, wait for new log book.
cant see you getting a mot with a 2.0 engine if the cars registerd as a 1.?? ect can someone explain the legal way or write/show me a guide
let_nova
06-01-08, 06:52 PM
no it is not logged on the v5. when i phoned my insurance to tell them of the changes they asked me for my reg then they said it came up as a 1.4 thats when i told them i had put in a 2.0 they then asked what the enginge was out of. told them then 4 days later they sent me a new cover note.
would the mot guy notice its a diff engine emissions etc would be all wrong or is there a way around and not declare it while getting mots yearly
if the MOT doesnt notice a 1ltr nova has an XE id be very worried about his qualifications lol
let_nova
06-01-08, 06:57 PM
would the mot guy notice its a diff engine emissions etc would be all wrong or is there a way around and not declare it while getting mots yearly
thats what i thot aboutemmisions . . although with the insurance all legit do you have to tell the dvla? and did he have to be under my bonnet for the MOT? although i am legit with my insurance i wanted as little people to know about the conversion as poss.
if the MOT doesnt notice a 1ltr nova has an XE id be very worried about his qualifications lol
obviously, but what i`m saying is you gotta change the logbook right or can you just take a 2.0 nova and mot it then insure it as a 1.2???
let_nova
06-01-08, 06:59 PM
/\/\/\ as above
MOT man doesnt look at your V5
but now with all computerised MOT tests, i assume the reg of the car will bring up what the DVLA has the car registered as
and if you arent registered as a 2.0 on the V5 ur insirance is invalid
and did he have to be under my bonnet for the MOT? s.
are people on here getting thicker ??
are people on here getting thicker ??
YES!!!
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:02 PM
fuk sake im not a mechanic. a questin = a sarcastic keckin answer.
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:03 PM
and if you arent registered as a 2.0 on the V5 ur insirance is invalid[/quote]
yes but i am insured as a 2.0 even though it is not registred.
the insurance company may say so, but come to claim, and show them an unregistered 2.0 nova (v5 says 1.2 or the like) and watch them claim your insurance is invalid!!
MOT man doesnt look at your V5
but now with all computerised MOT tests, i assume the reg of the car will bring up what the DVLA has the car registered as
and if you arent registered as a 2.0 on the V5 ur insirance is invalid
but whos to know if you have to produce and your cars badged as a 1.2 your logbooks a 1.2 your insureance is 1.2
the only problem i can see is getting the mot i asume the computer after putting in the reg would set its default emmisions for a 1.2 therefore the problem .....
Yes??
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:07 PM
rite i see thats what i wanted to know. so is it quite straight forward to register it do i just fill out the new details on the V5?
but whos to know if you have to produce and your cars badged as a 1.2 your logbooks a 1.2 your insureance is 1.2
the only problem i can see is getting the mot i asume the computer after putting in the reg would set its default emmisions for a 1.2 therefore the problem .....
Yes??
in english please
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:09 PM
MOT man doesnt look at your V5
but now with all computerised MOT tests, i assume the reg of the car will bring up what the DVLA has the car registered as
and if you arent registered as a 2.0 on the V5 ur insirance is invalid
yep with it being all computerised now it will come up on the computer as 2lt (if on the log book) an then the MOT wont have an option for 2lt nova emissions which will send him into melt down s he wont be able to get his head round it.
can`t you understand that
yep with it being all computerised now it will come up on the computer as 2lt (if on the log book) an then the MOT wont have an option for 2lt nova emissions which will send him into melt down s he wont be able to get his head round it.
see he understands
but whos to know if you have to produce and your cars badged as a 1.2 your logbooks a 1.2 your insureance is 1.2
the only problem i can see is getting the mot i asume the computer after putting in the reg would set its default emmisions for a 1.2 therefore the problem .....
Yes??
i think your trying to say that if your car has a 1.2 badge on, i regitered as a 1.2 and insured as a 1.2 then you could have any engine you wanted a long as plod doesnt check under the bonnet and you dont crash and have an insurance assesor out
you can do that but you'd be rather stupid as if you crashed at best your isurance company wouldnt pay out so youd have to pay the whole repair bill, at worst you'll go to prison for fraud
obviously not.
whos to know!
lol FFS i reckon an MOT tester/VOSA inspector knows the difference between a 1.2 8v and an XE just from looking at them
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:12 PM
Right my corsa went through the emissions for a 1.6 corsa (that requires a cat) with no cat on and a C20let under the bonnet. It so easily it was unreal.Discuss.
see he understands
he quoted me, not you, cleetus
so how bad would the insurance be for a 2.0 nova what would it be classed at? kitcar etc?
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:13 PM
it wuold be insured as cav/astra/ calibra as thats how they do it.
depends on your circumstances, which company your with etc
use the search, or try the insurance section!
it wuold be insured as cav/astra/ calibra as thats how they do it.
yep, top tip is to tell them its out of a lower specced car like a GLS or similar as the varation in groups between models can mean you save a few ? and are still fully legal
Right my corsa went through the emissions for a 1.6 corsa (that requires a cat) with no cat on and a C20let under the bonnet. It so easily it was unreal.Discuss.
thats cause you met the emmisions so no questions so far
it wuold be insured as cav/astra/ calibra as that's how they do it. if that's for real would it be the same as my vectra? because when i change it over to my alfa it goes up almost ?100 and its smaller engine
did the GLS come with an XE though??
if thats for real would it be the same as my vectra?
no cos it doesnt have an XE in it
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:16 PM
lmfao
did the GLS come with an XE though??
i dunno if it was actually called GLS or XL or whatever but it better than saying GSi3000 or similar
good point drips
on another note, i dunno why i bother getting involved in these threads, theres just no telling some people
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:19 PM
FFS!! rite so i will change the details on my documents now and then send it away? thanks. and app for some silly questions.
wohoo we got through!!
you need to change the details on the V5 in the new details bit and send it off
dunno whats xe got to do with it
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:22 PM
dunno whats xe got to do with it
?????????????????
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:22 PM
P.S thanks.
dunno whats xe got to do with it
what are you on about now sloth?
no cos it doesnt have an XE in it read the thread inca
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:24 PM
dunno whats xe got to do with it
Thats the engine. C20XE = 2lt 16v, thus XE
??
what are you on about now sloth?
why are you so rude.
why would a 20xe be more insureance than a vectra or alfa
Thats the engine. C20XE = 2lt 16v, thus XE
??
yes i know
why are you so rude.
why would a 20xe be more insureance than a vectra or alfa
thats a totally different question to thi thread tho
insurance section is >>>>>>>>>>
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:26 PM
because a vectra doesnt come with a ****ing XE hence why a crappy povety spec vectra will be cheaper
why are you so rude.
why would a 20xe be more insureance than a vectra or alfa
because, your an idiot!
an XE in anova, is gonna be more than a std vec or alfa, as its an engine conversion! do you not grasp this concept of non standard vehicles costing more to insure?
thats a totally different question to thi thread tho
insurance section is >>>>>>>>>>
just thought id drop it in is all relevant
because, your an idiot!
an XE in anova, is gonna be more than a std vec or alfa, as its an engine conversion! do you not grasp this concept of non standard vehicles costing more to insure?
cant be much quicker than v6 vec especially at the top end
it was mentioned that if a nova was converted it would be in the same insurance group as a Cav / Calibra
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:30 PM
rite i have listned and payed heed. i have begun filling out the detail going to go outside now and get the engine number. next :tard: question, wheres the engine number located? front of block, side?
no
no
no
no and no
read the insurance section please
it would be loosely based on the donor vehicles insurance group!
and ive never seen a donor vec or alfa providing an XE
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:31 PM
its not all about speed i think, about the size of engine in a wee car etc?
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:31 PM
On the front, down the edge that meets the gearbox, no doubt someone will pop a pic up.
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:32 PM
again thanks for help didnt mean to cause so much hassle.
because a vectra doesnt come with a ****ing XE hence why a crappy povety spec vectra will be cheaper you go on like the xe is your god.
hang on thats a corsa lol
you go on like the xe is your god.
hand on thats a corsa lol
an XE is FAR from phils god
ps its hang on, not hand on, hard on
and have u seen the corsas spec??
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:34 PM
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Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:34 PM
XEs are crap, LETS are a real mans engine lol
hand well spotted lol. dont care it looks like and is a corsa
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:36 PM
yes whats your point? lol
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:36 PM
XEs are crap, LETS are a real mans engine lol
this is true but some (ie me) cant or cant afors at this time to get a LET so xe is ma god for now lol
XEs are crap, LETS are a real mans engine lol
and its a red corsa PMFSL
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:37 PM
no its actually pink lmfao
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:38 PM
do i need to ammend the revenue weight?
yeah, no corsa`s unless your a bird
wtf has happened to this thread lol
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:40 PM
dont know!!!!!
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:40 PM
He trying to insult corsas but I dont think he understands that I think they are crap as well.
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:41 PM
had 1 yes and 1 no on the revenue weight? any more
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:41 PM
He trying to insult corsas but I dont think he understands that I think they are crap as well.
lollollollol
wtf has happened to this thread lol
lol no idea putting me off novas now iv been here for about 5 years it`s gone down hill
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:42 PM
another no?, big blocks arent as heavy as people make out. Do you change the weight when you take rear seats out or put some shopping in.
another no?, big blocks arent as heavy as people make out. Do you change the weight when you take rear seats out or put some shopping in.
can ust imagine tesco car park being full of people on the phone to the DVLA
"ive put 4tins of beans in my car so the weights changed"
let_nova
06-01-08, 07:44 PM
another no?, big blocks arent as heavy as people make out. Do you change the weight when you take rear seats out or put some shopping in.
ok thanks. thats all. over and out. :tumble:
ditching the missus is a good one
LOL @ this thread.
did the GLS come with an XE though??
Yes. Cav GLS and LS both came with 16v engines according to ABI (and in terms of insurance, if the ABI says its true, then you best believe it. Amen).
it wuold be insured as cav/astra/ calibra as thats how they do it.
Not necessarily; I've always had cheaper quotes for Cavaliers/Calibras/Astras than XE'd Novas. Insurance companies tend not to go on the donor car any more because everyone just lies and tells them its from a Cavalier LS 16v. The last bunch of quotes I had for the Nova, it didn't make a jot of difference what the donor car was.
LOL @ this thread.
Yes. Cav GLS and LS both came with 16v engines according to ABI (and in terms of insurance, if the ABI says its true, then you best believe it. Amen).
Not necessarily; I've always had cheaper quotes for Cavaliers/Calibras/Astras than XE'd Novas. Insurance companies tend not to go on the donor car any more because everyone just lies and tells them its from a Cavalier LS 16v. The last bunch of quotes I had for the Nova, it didn't make a jot of difference what the donor car was.
what was the difference allot more or does it go up ALLOT
say if your cav was ?500 would the conversion be ?800 or more like ?1200
Saloony
06-01-08, 08:19 PM
LOL @ this thread.
Yes. Cav GLS and LS both came with 16v engines according to ABI (and in terms of insurance, if the ABI says its true, then you best believe it. Amen).
Not necessarily; I've always had cheaper quotes for Cavaliers/Calibras/Astras than XE'd Novas. Insurance companies tend not to go on the donor car any more because everyone just lies and tells them its from a Cavalier LS 16v. The last bunch of quotes I had for the Nova, it didn't make a jot of difference what the donor car was.
The man from woolston he say... your half right.
Cav GLS and LS did come with a 16v and yes it had XE in the title but not the true one, it had the early eco-wrec X20XEV.
Well for me it wasn't a great deal of difference, but significant enough - Was looking at about ?350 for an Astra GTE and ?550 for a Nova XE.
Thats 26 (at an age where anything ~?500 is "expensive" for insurance lol) with 8 years NCB, grade A postcode, 3 points SP50, and those were basic tpf&t policies with no real bells and whistles.
Compare that to the GT4 which will cost me ?440 for fully comp, business use, protected NCB, etc!
Saloony
06-01-08, 08:21 PM
So what have we actually established in this thread so far, some one please sum up or at least concluded for me before i start spouting off, lol
So what have we actually established in this thread so far, some one please sum up or at least concluded for me before i start spouting off, lol
you can`t mot a nova as a 1.2 of its a 2.0
and most people here want to fu3k a xe
lmao this thread is awesome!
Phil + Stu Rep points on route youve had me in stitches!
Saloony
06-01-08, 08:40 PM
you can`t mot a nova as a 1.2 of its a 2.0
and most people here want to fu3k a xe
Right sunny... Can you explain to me why you cant mot a nova with a 2.0l in it when its down a anything but...?
you can`t mot a nova as a 1.2 of its a 2.0
and most people here want to fu3k a xe
Lee's good at XE fu3king if your intrested. PM him about it:thumb:
Right sunny... Can you explain to me why you cant mot a nova with a 2.0l in it when its down a anything but...?
Dont bother its not worth your hassle! Really! lol
Saloony
06-01-08, 08:44 PM
Dont bother its not worth your hassle! Really! lol
Oh it really is.... I have a trump card to play
fpmsl this thread rules....
let_nova
06-01-08, 09:05 PM
if i thought this would of caused so much hassle . . . . .
if i thought this would of caused so much hassle . . . . .
Just run with it:thumb: Take the stick etc etc, gives us lot of muppets something to do:D
let_nova
06-01-08, 09:10 PM
am just ammused ive never had a thread go on so long!!!!!!!
In joy your evening being infamous. Tommrow we will all ignore you :D
Please answer Mr Saloonys question. I wanna know what his trump card is:thumb:
Right sunny... Can you explain to me why you cant mot a nova with a 2.0l in it when its down a anything but...?
let_nova
06-01-08, 09:18 PM
dont think it was aimed at me.
Saloony
06-01-08, 09:19 PM
dont think it was aimed at me.
It wasnt.. your just a miss guided fool.. that needs straightening out by the old hands.
its the other fella im aiming it at, but hes gone all shy on us.
let_nova
06-01-08, 09:21 PM
lollollol that is why i was asking you lot as you have been at it a lot longer than me and needed a little (ok maybe a lot) of guidance.!!!
Its not as simple as just sending your log book off either unless you car is already a 1.6 on there. You have to take your old tax disk to the DVLA local office and pay the extra tax and get a new disk before they will change it on the logbook.
Tried doing mine by filling the logbook in and they have ****ed it up, its got the XE engine number on now but it says its a 1.2.
Saloony
06-01-08, 09:29 PM
Its not as simple as just sending your log book off either unless you car is already a 1.6 on there. You have to take your old tax disk to the DVLA local office and pay the extra tax and get a new disk before they will change it on the logbook.
Tried doing mine by filling the logbook in and they have ****ed it up, its got the XE engine number on now but it says its a 1.2.
You obvisouly didnt write in the bit were it says 'New CC' then.
Saloony
06-01-08, 09:39 PM
must be bed-time for him
yeah shame, i was getting all gear up too.
hes a tard
proper tard
hes probably trying to wedge an airix LC lump into an airfix nova as we speak
then hes gona take it to his playmobil MOT centre to try get it a 12 month ticket with the bonnet welded shut!
DVLA are assholes, if you change tax from 1400 to 2000, you pay 2 months at the same time... Well you do down here.
DVLA suck and theyre useless :(
Saloony
06-01-08, 09:45 PM
hes a tard
proper tard
hes probably trying to wedge an airix LC lump into an airfix nova as we speak
then hes gona take it to his playmobil MOT centre to try get it a 12 month ticket with the bonnet welded shut!
lol lol
But its all good fun tho, if it wasnt for idiots like this we wouldnt have anyone to rip into:p
i must admit, idiots drive me spare, but the comedy value is second to none!
You obvisouly didnt write in the bit were it says 'New CC' then.
Yes I did, i'm not stupid. Got an accompanying letter with the logbook saying I have to go to DVLA local office if I want to change the taxation class.
Think about it, I could tax it for 12 months then change the logbook, you telling me the DVLA wouldn't want a way of collecting the extra money owed to them?
Saloony
06-01-08, 09:51 PM
Yes I did, i'm not stupid. Got an accompanying letter with the logbook saying I have to go to DVLA local office if I want to change the taxation class.
Think about it, I could tax it for 12 months then change the logbook, you telling me the DVLA wouldn't want a way of collecting the extra money owed to them?
lol
I just sent mine off before the engine went in, to avoid dumbsh1t like that.
lol
I just sent mine off before the engine went in, to avoid dumbsh1t like that.
so what you going to do at the end of the year
so what you going to do at the end of the year
its already declared as a 2.0
so he will tax it as a 2.0
god your stupid
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:15 PM
so what you going to do at the end of the year
You miss the point fella... Now if i did dumbsh1t like that, tax my car as a 1.6 or lower and having a 2.0l would be fairly stupid of me. It would only be a matter of time before they caught up with me.
Plus if i did have it registered as a 1.2 and had a 2.0l, why on EARTH would i publicise the car in Total Vauxhall and come on forums pressing the point further?
its already declared as a 2.0
so he will tax it as a 2.0
god your stupid
how am i supposed to know that
by using your nouse, and reading the forum properly!
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:18 PM
by using your nouse, and reading the forum properly!Yeah but i might have had my bonnet shut at the time lol
You miss the point fella... Now if i did dumbsh1t like that, tax my car as a 1.6 or lower and having a 2.0l would be fairly stupid of me. It would only be a matter of time before they caught up with me.
Plus if i did have it registered as a 1.2 and had a 2.0l, why on EARTH would i publicise the car in Total Vauxhall and come on forums pressing the point further?
well it came across as tho you taxed the car and then dropped the engine in i dont care if your in on total vauxhall iv never heard of it
let_nova
06-01-08, 10:21 PM
Never Heard Of Total Vauxhall??
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:21 PM
well it came across as tho you taxed the car and then dropped the engine in i dont care if your in on total vauxhall iv never heard of it
Obviously, your general lack of knowledge, commen sense and general understanding of anything is poor.
let_nova
06-01-08, 10:22 PM
lollol
Never Heard Of Total Vauxhall??
of course i have thats how up yourselfs you are
of course i have thats how up yourselfs you are
your sooo cool
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:26 PM
His mum must be so proud of him.
she wont be proud when she sees his choccy wheelspins in his gruds, and finds out he wets the bed
let_nova
06-01-08, 10:30 PM
lollollollol
General Baxter
06-01-08, 10:44 PM
cant beleave iv missed this lol
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:48 PM
she wont be proud when she sees his choccy wheelspins in his gruds, and finds out he wets the bed
Well im so proud of him, so proud its almost turned sexual, i might want to slip him a length after this.
Well im so proud of him, so proud its almost turned sexual, i might want to slip him a length after this.
Just be careful of the fudge flyby in his undies
Saloony
06-01-08, 10:58 PM
Just be careful of the fudge flyby in his undies
lol
Dont worry if it ends up on me ill just wipe it on his curtains.
let_nova
07-01-08, 06:43 PM
lol rite i know i said i didnt have any more questions but . . . if you have a 1990 engine and a 1992 car do you need a catalyst?
Philsutton
07-01-08, 06:44 PM
No, its goes on which ever is oldest, the engine or the car
I read this thread back to back, and now my cheeks hurt, and i think i let a small amount of pee out as well lol
let_nova
07-01-08, 07:03 PM
glad it made u laugh!!!!!
Philsutton
07-01-08, 07:06 PM
Should be careful where you keep your pics really
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c398/ABouris/hazlett.jpg
No, its goes on which ever is oldest, the engine or the car
if pre 95 yes... otherwise it has a generic cat emmions test
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/7.3%20Emmissions%20-%20Spark%20Ignition%20-%20Passenger%20Cars%201992-2002.pdf
BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8258/pwned111za6.jpg
Philsutton
07-01-08, 07:10 PM
Pffffft when did they change that? All the corsas we have done have gone through without cats.
Now this is a cool thread
Car needs to be logged as a 2L on the logbook for it to be road legal
If it aint, your insurance company will make your policy invalid as soon as the police inform them its taxed as a 1200.
MOST computer/online insurance systems bring up the car with the original engine in. I know when i sorted my hic insurance, the car is still on there Reg computer system still as a 1200i, when its had three engines since it was a 1.2i lol
Hence why you have to inform them.
And yeah, as lee h said, Dvla send letters etc back, and you have to "cash" your old tax disc in,and buy a new one at the new rate.
Also, dvla sometimes ask for evidence to show the new engines cc and engine number. They did with me.
Cavvy GLS's etc never came with Xe's afaik, if there 2L, there Eco's.
Only GSi's, and some SRI's had Xe's.
/End of thread lol
dont know...
it's a doc my mate found, and show me, as i was wondering too about cat's and stuff, for when i fit the valver
In theory, All Corsas with a C20xe needs a cat
Tho a **** load of people dont fit them, they probably just claim its a 20xe
1994-95 you might get it through tho, as theres a gap between it depening on car/engine age, and something like July 1995, when they all need a cat fitting.
A Corsa with a C20xe needs a cat
Tho a **** load of people dont fit them, they probably just claim its a 20xe
wonder if i can do that lol
Philsutton
07-01-08, 07:19 PM
In theory, All Corsas with a C20xe needs a cat
Tho a **** load of people dont fit them, they probably just claim its a 20xe
no as you can have 91 c20xe's ect.. an yes you can prove thats its pre 92
The C20xe code gives it away that it should be within cat emissions limits tho....
Philsutton
07-01-08, 07:22 PM
nope incorrect, its 92 that it NEEDs a cat an if its pre then you dont, and the date of the engine is stamped on the top of the cam rockers
mine's a 93, poss a 92, cant remember when cav was registered :(
Philsutton
07-01-08, 07:24 PM
nope incorrect, its 92 that it NEEDs a cat an if its pre then you dont, and the date of the engine is stamped on the top of the cam rockers
have a looksey by taking the oil cap off :thumb:
Youd be lucky get it through like that imo.
Most testers wouldn't take a slight bit of notice of what your telling them.
In my experience, any engine with C in the code, has had the tester putting it straight in for a cat test, in my december 1992 shell.
have a looksey by taking the oil cap off :thumb:
rocker cover's off anyway, so will be easier to see, but engine's a dispac, so defo will require a cat
Just bodge one on for the mot,Lol
let_nova
07-01-08, 07:32 PM
my engine is 1990 and the car was reg 30/04/1992
Saloony
07-01-08, 09:04 PM
For fcuk sake how many times do we have to read the same fcuking questions and the same fcuking answers!!!!
Philsutton
08-01-08, 08:45 AM
Youd be lucky get it through like that imo.
Most testers wouldn't take a slight bit of notice of what your telling them.
In my experience, any engine with C in the code, has had the tester putting it straight in for a cat test, in my december 1992 shell.
I will admit that its like trying to tell a brick wall, but they know thats that is all we work on an should have a better knowledge of the engines than them lol
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