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right ive just bought ernies nova i have been given a c20xe lump for nothing but its too common now so was thinking about putting a honda civic type r engine in instead i just want to gather some info on it as over parts i could use to fit it ie gearbox,driveshafts,mounts or is it not worth doing
I would think it would be alot of work, vaux-vaux engines work easy enough, but honda-vaux might be a tad tricky.
Custom mounts, shafts etc. but it would rock!!
FOAD!!!!!!
please
whats that mean?
FFS! sorry but this is getting bloody ridiculous!
FFS! sorry but this is getting bloody ridiculous!
AGREED
FOAD- Fukk Off And Die
You should have talked to Ernie about it. He works for Honda. I can't see the point in being 'different' just for the sake of it.
Why not get a bike engine and put it in the front, that would be 'different' and also would be light, rev like billio and would also be much more intresting. Plus modify it, turbo it and get 500bhp:thumb:
whats with all stupid comments im only asking is that a bad thing im just gauging interest thats all
paul and stu16vt
Have you ever removed a Honda engine? You should see the size of the fecking wiring loom!!! Let alone the problems your gonna have with the transmission!!
For a start, Civic engine mounts are in mega different places to a Nova, youd need to place a mouting onto the passenger side inner wing to mount this engine in a Nova. Of course, Nova inner wings are made of cheese.....
Then theres rear mounting AND rear stabiliser bar thingy that goes under the gear shift tunnel, that bolts onto the chassis, with some **** off big bolts!
PS. If you think a GM v6 engine is heavy, then think wrong ;)
have a look at chris astley corsa vxr into a nova, that looks hard enough, and itd diffrent enough! lol
The work involved would far outweigh the fwoar factor you will get when the car is stationary & the bonnet is up for some 15yr old lads to have a look at it.
cheers dar forgot that he works for them i will speak to him when he drops the car off
You should have talked to Ernie about it. He works for Honda. I can't see the point in being 'different' just for the sake of it.
Why not get a bike engine and put it in the front, that would be 'different' and also would be light, rev like billio and would also be much more intresting. Plus modify it, turbo it and get 500bhp:thumb:
In all honestly, i dont think it would fit in a Nova, there actually quite big engines. In a Mini, im sure they literally lengthen the entire front end about 4" where as a Nova GSi engine fits into a Mini fine.
whats with all stupid comments im only asking is that a bad thing im just gauging interest thats all
paul and stu16vt
The thing is mate, it seems evryday now someone asks about what engine they can put or have put or have seen in a nova/corsa etc.
If you genuinely are considering doing it then, this may help, but personally I can see no point.
For the price of a Honda Type R engine, guesstimate ?800? and all the custom fabrication shafts, mounts etc, youre going to be looking easily at the wrong side of ?2k. For that price you can buy or build a 200bhp XE, same as Type R lump.
It will also take 10 times as long, plus you already have an XE engine, its common as you say, but the reason its common is because its such a good conversion to do.
If you genuinely are looking into it, then best of luck, and we'll help you as much as we can, but it will be a lot of work and expesive!
Paul
My freind paid ?600 IIRC for a Civic VTi engine (one down from the Type R) he was bidding on a EK9 (B18C? engine IIRC) engine and it went for a little over ?1k :thumb:
i give up
have you done ANY research at all??
which type R lump??
B series? B18C? 5 or 6?
B16b?
Kseries??
JDM or UK??
What mounts you gonna use?
what shafts you gonna use?
if you use a bseries, the gearbox is on the other end of the block
Kseries WILL NOT fit, probably, its huge
what about immobilisation and multiplex systems in the looms??
ah right i was just gauging interest really if its that expensive then i might aswell just stick the xe engine and get some throttle boddies instead thanks for the info fellas
i call this case closed(well it didnt even start) ha ha
PMSL
fallen at the first hurdle
like most dreams on here!
Stu, the B 5's & 6's are imports arnt they??
JDM and US ones??
lol at least he wasnt thinking about fitting a H22 lol lol
scampy aka j
06-01-08, 02:35 PM
y not try something different,my teacher when i used to go to college had a couple of moriss minors and he had a type r enigine one and a 2.0 litre pinto engine in the other ,.......
B18C6 is UK DC2 typeR 187bhp
B18C5 is JDM DC2 TypeR 200bhp
id like to be proven wrong! i reeeeally would!
y not try something different,my teacher when i used to go to college had a couple of moriss minors and he had a type r enigine one and a 2.0 litre pinto engine in the other ,.......
Ill tell you why not, as sh1t costs money in the real world thats why.
Why buy a B18 engine for circa ?900+ when you can get a LET that is EASY to fit for ?1200?
Hell, if your gonna pay for it, ill have me a RB26 engine for my Cavalier.......
:tard:
Why buy a B18 engine for circa ?900+
and the rest for a good one!!!
so my ?800 was underquoted then?
so my ?800 was underquoted then?
Yup lol well, i suppose it depends where the engines from lol wether its stolen or not lol
VTi engines are obtainable for that though, and im sure they have a LSD as standard same as Type R (is that right Stu??)
y not try something different,my teacher when i used to go to college had a couple of moriss minors and he had a type r enigine one and a 2.0 litre pinto engine in the other ,.......
I'd love to know which gearbox he used on the type r one, cos the engine rotates the opposite way to all the european stuff.
I would also love to know what steering/suspension he used on the pinto one, cos the steeriing rack is always a major clearance problem & the bellhousing usually needs a big chunk cutting out, & the pinto is huge
VTI has no LSD mate, unless its a JDM import, and only a few had diffs in them
?800 for what??
Philsutton
06-01-08, 02:58 PM
there is a mk1 golf with a type R engine in. However if you are asking for info on the conversion then yuo clearly arent capable of it, no offense. You are either good techically or not.
Why botehr when you put a let in for no effort an no doubt cheaper, when you done making custom parts. The type R engine like said rotates the opposite way in relation to other engines so that ****s up your gearbox side of things.
there is a mk1 golf with a type R engine in.
saw that one
wasnt exactly a tidy conversion though. its been done in a few minis too, so its not impossible i will agree
but
good luck
FOAD lol lol lol
I just did a chocolate wheelspin!
AFPMSL
thats my saying
caramel powerslides FTW
Yup lol well, i suppose it depends where the engines from lol wether its stolen or not lol
I dont know that much about Honda's, my ?800 was a very underpirced guesstimate for say a 52 plate Civic Type R engine, box, loom, shafts etc etc!
Id have snapped that right up
engine alone is worth ?2k minimum!!
what are the VBOA going to think if they have a nosey round our forum before they let us join lol
someone was going to try it, but...
Bit of a development on the engine front... What has 1.8 litres, 169bhp and a LSD as standard?
Why, a Honda B18C4 of course:
http://www.sw-cc.com/saloon/may07/v1.jpg
There was much excitement at the prospect of what is basically the old Integra Type R lump, save a pair of cams and inlet manifold. Dubbed 'Nov-R', could the saloon be equally at home at PVS and Japfest?
http://www.sw-cc.com/saloon/may07/v2.jpg
Toight fit with the standard inlet manifold which would have been changed to a Spoon knock off to save space. Rear gearbox mount also tricky as the steering rack was in the way.
It was all looking good until we realised we wouldn't be able to turn left due to the wide gearbox having about an inch clearance on the 145 tyre currenty fitted :(
http://www.sw-cc.com/saloon/may07/v3.jpg
There maybe potential with major butchering of the chassis legs and inner wings, and a wide track conversion, but we're getting away from the Project's purpose and budget.
It's all off! Back to the drawing board... Amy Winehouse summed it up:
"They tried to make me fit a VTEC, but it won't go, go, go."
Perfect for Oval racing then lol
if it's a clockwise oval yes lol
Philsutton
06-01-08, 03:13 PM
PMSL proof right there lol
y not try something different,my teacher when i used to go to college had a couple of moriss minors and he had a type r enigine one and a 2.0 litre pinto engine in the other ,.......
Madness! I was speaking to our postman a while back as he knows I like my novas and he mentioned a mate of his fitting a 200sx into a ford anglia! :eek:
Apparently it was pretty simple, the wiring was about as difficult as putting an XE into a nova lol
I don't know why theres so much attitude on this site, the chap was only asking whether it would be possible, people on here seriously need to chillout! And the funny thing is if the engines were cheaper and easier to fit everyone would be doing it instead of fitting XEs or LETs all the time.
but the XE/LET route is tried and tested and proven that it works and works well!!
True, but then if thats the case you might as well say chris astleys vxr idea is a waste of time due to the cost of the engine in the first place plus all the fab involved.
Im absolutely all for breaking new ground in the hobby, and encouraging stuff, as is everyone else, but the fact is you can make a nova go just as well, if not better than it would with a VTec in it. Therefore the only viable reason for sticking a VTec in a nova is to wave your dick around at car shows lol
I can relate to that! Some people like to show off their fabrication skills and imagination, fair play I say!
The thing that gets my goat is some people actually think it will make the thing go better than it will with a vauxhall lump with the same money thrown at it as a complicated hybrid transplant, wether its a LC engine, a Vtec, or a fecking Jet Engine!
The same thing applied to the guy building the 4x4 and I stand by it. Bloody brilliant for the hobby, brilliant for us when its finished, a testiment to the guy building it, but it WONT be any better than a normal nova running eqivilent power, unless you took them onto a rally stage or a very wet race track lol
Yes its a subject that always attracts a lot of banter, but who cares, if you can't take a bit of stick over the idea, i doubt you'll handle the conversion itself lol
Steve... Chris Astleys conversion makes a lot of sense, as it WILL be better than anything you can do with older generation stuff compared to his cost of doing it. Well over 220 reliable bhp from a smallblock isnt possible with the older stuff :)
True, but then if thats the case you might as well say chris astleys vxr idea is a waste of time due to the cost of the engine in the first place plus all the fab involved.
The engine box and all ancillaries have covered approximately 1k, and cost less than a 120k LET engine alone...
Good point there but again, putting an xe or let in a nova is basically dirt cheap to do now, and putting a v-tec or a vxr in a nova is going to be too expensive for most people.
The cost of the engines are still too high and the fab work would put off alot of decent mechanics, whereas the xes are all pretty much 'off the shelf' conversions.
Im glad chris is doing the vxr nova but its a bit too early for it too become a common conversion.
ahhhh...Novaload is back :D
If you want to be differant why go bigger? 600cc bike engine - job done
its only because it has vvvvvtec
Im glad chris is doing the vxr nova but its a bit too early for it too become a common conversion.
I doubt it will become a common conversion ever TBH. Chris is the ideal candidate to do it first as he's massively experienced, and has a big wad of parts in his shop to delve into.
The engine / gearbox mounts need a load of fabrication work, the thing needs to be run on standalone management, so it definately wouldnt be cheap for someone to do in a shed, like it is with a LET.
BUT the end result should be better than anything you can achieve at the moment with the normal smallblock's that go into Nova's.. so its worthwile doing.
A VTEc, which weighs a ton and would need the whole engine bay redesigning, just to get the same power as a reasonable XE and less torque... isnt :)
I agrre but I reckon once word gets out that you can put a VXR into a nova there will be a few more people giving it a go. Mostly beacuse they know it can be done and if they get stuck theres someone to ask whereas the v-tec is unknown to anyone. (for obvious reasons lol)
Matt2107
06-01-08, 07:13 PM
Why not get a bike engine and put it in the front, that would be 'different' and also would be light, rev like billio and would also be much more intresting. Plus modify it, turbo it and get 500bhp:thumb:
Z-cars bike conversion kit for a saxo would be the way to go.
My brother priced up having a bike engine in his mk1 golf at around ?10k
Zcars conversions are awesome, but far too much money!
Philsutton
06-01-08, 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Dar
Why not get a bike engine and put it in the front, that would be 'different' and also would be light, rev like billio and would also be much more intresting. Plus modify it, turbo it and get 500bhp:thumb:
Couple of caterhams /westfields whatever they were at totb the other year with exactly that an I pull faster times than both. Not sure what they got this last year though. Would be great fun to drive though lol
Couple of caterhams /westfields whatever they were at totb the other year with exactly that an I pull faster times than both. Not sure what they got this last year though. Would be great fun to drive though lol
How well do you think they would do against your car around a track:p
Anyway I ment more intresting rather than faster. Plus they sound fast:D
twistysnovagte
06-01-08, 08:00 PM
cosworth 4x4 nova weapon
cosworth 4x4 nova weapon
your a couple of weeks too late with that one
I've looked at bike engine conversions and even tho the power is getting big from the 1.3/1.4 ZZR's etc you really need to be ultra lite to realise their potential since they have sod all torque. They are best suited really to the super light kit car end of the range. Plus they are so popular they have got pretty pricey
Jim Mcrae
07-01-08, 05:20 PM
All those at the bridgewater meet last year may recall that tatty SR, with some chavvy kids in it, saying his mate was fitting a VTEC for ?500 lol
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc204/ratboy1980/22.jpg
Philsutton
07-01-08, 06:19 PM
How well do you think they would do against your car around a track:p
Anyway I ment more intresting rather than faster. Plus they sound fast:D
I'd get OWNED properly lol lol
Oh some Vtec pics as well
http://forums.streetfire.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=9126&stc=1
http://rsxisfaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/vindieselvtec.jpg#
lol @ VTEc cutting in!
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/009/175/116729-vtec.jpg
Philsutton
07-01-08, 06:24 PM
Who was it on here a while ago that said one of their mates had trouble controlling his 106 when it came on "GTI", lol as that was a classic
I have that problem when mine comes on Ecotec
Mine tended to just 'Come On', much like females, and throw all its rods out the block for no apparent reason.
http://rsxisfaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/scootervtec.jpg
oh dear lord there are hundreds of them :D
I have that problem when mine comes on Ecotec
ROFLOLMFAOWTFBBQ
lol
http://www.bits-n-pieces.com/images/vtec.jpg
peester
07-01-08, 10:37 PM
yay i wanna play...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/peester/Vtectapestry.jpg
stoopid thread btw.. lol
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7c/VtecPanda.jpg (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7c/VtecPanda.jpg)
http://rsxisfaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/rollercoastervtec.jpg
Matt2107
09-01-08, 01:21 PM
The guy at the back right looks like one of the fellas who works on my local kebab van.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/98/VTECswan.jpg
It az nt got vtec, y0!
The guy at the back right looks like one of the fellas who works on my local kebab van.
Looks like he's about to lay a kebab in his trousers
Looks like he's about to lay a kebab in his trousers
Or he's doing a bourneville burnout due to the VTec Yo!
how feck is this thread still alive Yo?
As long as we have photos like this (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/83/Sled_just_kicked_in_yo.jpg). Then I reckon it will still keep going Yo!
letvalva
09-01-08, 04:12 PM
i read that if you drive a v tec in the oppisite way to the what the world spins ya can make it spin the other way and go back in time?
pmsl
craig green
09-01-08, 05:07 PM
i read that if you drive a v tec in the oppisite way to the what the world spins ya can make it spin the other way and go back in time?
pmsl
Now you are just being rediculous!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/irishwisdom/vtec.jpg
pmsl ^^^ thats what you get for not welding XE conversions yo !
craig green
09-01-08, 05:18 PM
Aye. You can see where the chassis legs pulled apart under the strain.
V-TEC controllers are bad mmmkay.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m244/MazTech/V-tech.jpg
http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/a/a0/QBCLAHYPWGTRZ6M2RQYWDBKDIOLBJ4TC.jpg
http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/4/47/MJ7CGLFDRTO4MTEFQSJGJDYWAEE6EEIN.jpg
http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/0/08/63XOC7CU7GA2KQVI66Y6WHUKULPPVQAW.jpg
http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/500/vtectimestwo.gif
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/17/KIMJONGVTEC.jpg
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7c/VtecPanda.jpg
This thread needs to be moved to muppet :D
http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/88/V-Tec.jpg
^ that another pic of you jack to get the thread back to reality?
Nah, my **** is hairier than that
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/5a/VTECwarp.jpg
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9b/Minister_Vtec.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/xboxlivemonkey/Vtec_crash.jpg
Im guessing the guy squashed against the wall is very dead!
Although how the hell did he miss the mincer in the orange jacket???
http://lh6.google.com/lindborg.stuart/R4UhtUe7NqI/AAAAAAAAAmM/KNxkSfvA8mU/s800/bt_vtec.jpg
hahahahahahaahahahahahaha
AFPMSL @ Lees misfortune!
get a suzi swift 1300 16v engine put in :)
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/368/vteckick0zu.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/timmyab1/Vtec_just_kicked_in_yo_asia.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/razorjack/Misc/vtec.jpg
smcgsi16v
09-01-08, 10:38 PM
http://lh6.google.com/lindborg.stuart/R4UhtUe7NqI/AAAAAAAAAmM/KNxkSfvA8mU/s800/bt_vtec.jpg
PMSLlol
Somebody had to use that photo.
spike24
09-02-08, 08:14 PM
jus had the same idea myself, i know there are kits for fitting vtec's too mini's and metros so i dont c where the problem wud be to fit on a nova, check out youtube for a vtec powered mini on the nurburg ring in germany.
have you or have you not read this entire thread??
fearless
09-02-08, 08:39 PM
have you or have you not read this entire thread??
He must only like going in straight lines !!!
Philsutton
10-02-08, 11:43 AM
there is a major flaw in fitting this engine to a nova lol, back track into the thread. Vtec YO
put simply it is too big to get between the wheels on a nova,
tom_beverley
10-02-08, 12:03 PM
Think we should have a 'Vtec YO' section now.
FPMSL at some of those pictures, WTF is that guy with a cone sticking out his ass lol
Personally I'd have thought a Civic Type R lump would be awesome on the basis it has 200BHP as standard. Ok so you'd have to go wide track but with it being a big heavy engine its only going to help with the handling. You get a 9K rev limit which you won't have with the XE.
I agree though its a lot of ball ache however, I'd rather see a Z22se lump fitted.
http://www.jimsrepairjimstractors.com/garden-tractor-puller-gravely.JPG
VTEC YO
Philsutton
10-02-08, 12:31 PM
Personally I'd have thought a Civic Type R lump would be awesome on the basis it has 200BHP as standard. Ok so you'd have to go wide track but with it being a big heavy engine its only going to help with the handling. You get a 9K rev limit which you won't have with the XE.
I agree though its a lot of ball ache however, I'd rather see a Z22se lump fitted.
an thats the answer to why people fit C20lets instead, over 200bhp as standard, very easy to get power out of, and not that difficult to ft.
meritlover
10-02-08, 12:37 PM
can you not just make a rocker cover fit on the vauxhall engine so it says 'HONDA' or 'VTEC' ?
surely thats worth extra HP?
can you not just make a rocker cover fit on the vauxhall engine so it says 'HONDA' or 'VTEC' ?
surely thats worth extra HP?
At least 50php (pub horsepower)
to be honest folks, I reckon there is a civic forum somewhere with a lad asking about sticking a let in a crx.....
This fits this thread quite well me thinks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpsg9pUeao)
lmfao.ill give him a ten for effort.lol
tom_beverley
10-02-08, 01:43 PM
Vtec Rocks!!!
Theres also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrRvW4KAxg&feature=related
http://garbett.org/files/threadwouldntdie.jpg
VTec kicked in yo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huXKMhSjFT4)
Philsutton
10-02-08, 04:46 PM
LMFAO, you stole that from one of my posts no doubt? Thats my favourite ricer video followed by this beauty.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXHVoc5hOc
Philsutton
10-02-08, 04:55 PM
I remember back in the day when I used to go "kroozing" at the local macro carpark one sunday night some tool was in his mums yellow micra handbraking it in the middle of the carpark. Unlucky for him an his mumhis rear wheels caught in a drain and rolled the car over in front of loads of people. That was so funny, if only it had been caught on camera it would now be a you tube special.
LMFAO, you stole that from one of my posts no doubt? Thats my favourite ricer video followed by this beauty.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXHVoc5hOc
LMFAO thats class!
Looks like a GTO/Stealth as well, not exactly a light car... imagine hitting someone in the face with a sledgehammer and thats what it'd be like to get broadsided by one of they lol
Philsutton
10-02-08, 07:36 PM
well what did he think was going to happen when he hand braked in front of another tool driving a barge lol
Als this makes me laugh, its just pitiful.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l_ItAAiF3Po
PMSL @ phils vid thats ace ,
Why rip into this guy just for wanting to be different. Fair enough he did wimp out early. I remember when i asked about the 4x4 and i got the exact same. Im not saying that he can or cant do it but give some of the people out there a break. Oh and those v tec pics had me in tears TOP CLASS
Philsutton
11-02-08, 08:53 AM
Why rip into this guy just for wanting to be different. Fair enough he did wimp out early. I remember when i asked about the 4x4 and i got the exact same. Im not saying that he can or cant do it but give some of the people out there a break. Oh and those v tec pics had me in tears TOP CLASS
OMFG have you not read the thread, with a type R engine an box in a nova engine bay you cant turn the wheels. Surely thats reason enough not to bother trying.
Why rip into this guy just for wanting to be different. Fair enough he did wimp out early. I remember when i asked about the 4x4 and i got the exact same. Im not saying that he can or cant do it but give some of the people out there a break. Oh and those v tec pics had me in tears TOP CLASS
I thought that this thread wasn't too bad before page 7. Some failrly constructive comments and full piccys of someone actually trying the conversion and finding the BIG flaw in it. Well if you tried to put it in the front anyway. But page 7 onwards is just open season for giggles:thumb:
Your thread was different though. Since the 4x4 question has been asked 100's of times by people who thought it would be fairly easy to do without much fabrication. Then they did nothing about it. However what happened with your WIP still ****s me off since you obviously know what you were doing and people still tried picking fault and asking dumb questions etc etc, and on that subject I hope the Nova's coming along nicely:thumb:
Asa-James
11-02-08, 10:46 AM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fb/Vtecsimpson.gif (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fb/Vtecsimpson.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvF6zGVF0Co&NR=1
Nuff said
Vtec Yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftk6OOMO6MA&NR=1
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