View Full Version : what power can be acheived from a 1.6 8valve with standard inlet?
looking to spend a bit of money on the engine side of my nova after christmas and was just wondering what modifications would be best for it?i already have a blydenstein b+ head to go on it.i remember reading somewhere that you can get more power out of using the standard inlet than using carbs?is this true?i would like a nice useable power curve(not making everything at 9000rpm!)what cam would be suitable?many thanks:thumb:
150bhp with the right cam/setup.
More with a modded tb etc.
Welsh Dan
16-11-07, 12:06 AM
I'd suggest something like a Kent AST2, a conversion to dispak if its a dizzy engine, aftermarket management to cope, and a setup from a reputable RR.
yeah its a e16se.is it an easy enough conversion to dispack?any other mods?
Depends which management you run it on.
You'll need a crank sensor wheel and sensor, suitable dispak.
Custom wiring loom.
i was thinking dta management.do you use the crank sensor wheel and sensor from another vaux or do you have to buy a universal type one?just looking to get a list together so i can get saving and collecting the stuff i need.
Welsh Dan
16-11-07, 12:43 AM
You could probably use the sensor, dispak and pulley from a C14SE or C16SE engine, you'd find lots of both in mk3 astras in scrapyards.
peester
16-11-07, 09:01 AM
bruce/broos' old car would have been ideal here - he based his on the rally build manual, and ran it on after market engine management; as mentioned, was around the 150 bhp mark too with standard inlet..
good call on the DTA etc!!!! you really really wont regret it!
If you can find somewhere that does abrasive fluid honing (it s abit specialised) then get the inlet manifold done with that as it can remove some of the casing rubbish in the inlet and open it up a touch.
a modded TB (maybe see what 3.0 2v per cylinder ones would fit)
a fun cam (hell youve got full control over the fuelling, go nuts imho)
and the usual bottom end build for the 1.6
what do you mean by the usual bottom end build?also what model dta should i go for?do they supply you with a base map?
Arp's
Re-hone, new rings etc.
the base model DTA (or an old EXP48) would do the job fine.
base maps might be tricky but ill see what ive got on my old hdd.
t45_ste
16-11-07, 10:13 PM
Might be worth speeking to chris astley. He used the standard inlet with DTA.
Heres his wip on mig, got a bit of info on there. Did you manage the car sorted after the break in?
Might be worth speeking to chris astley. He used the standard inlet with DTA.
Heres his wip on mig, got a bit of info on there. Did you manage the car sorted after the break in?
thanks just been reading the thread!it says he used a carlton gsi3000 throttle body so i will have to get hunting around for one.
craig green
17-11-07, 02:20 PM
The Grp-A cars used Cosworth pistons to raise the compression ratio & get up to 150bhp with chipped ECU's, Grp-A 4 branch & cam. Because of the map it had to run race fuel too.
Just bear in mind, with the outlay you are looking at spending a 1600 XE might be more cost effective. Building your own spec engine is half the fun though.
Just bear in mind, with the outlay you are looking at spending a 1600 XE might be more cost effective. Building your own spec engine is half the fun though.
i thought about using a c16xe engine but if i had one it would HAVE to have throttle bodies on!so i would be looking to spend nearly ?2000 on the kit itself to get roughly 160-170bhp.so i think im going to go 8valve route for the time being but still keep my eyes open and if funds alow build a monster spec c16xe for a later date.
peester
17-11-07, 07:04 PM
i thought about using a c16xe engine but if i had one it would HAVE to have throttle bodies on!
ha! top man.
off to go pick up an inlet manifold up later.anybody know who does abrasive fluid honing?ive tried yell.com but carnt find anywhere.
t45_ste
25-11-07, 03:41 PM
Hi Adam you could try http://www.impulsedevelopments.co.uk/ there not too far away and very reputable.
I'd suggest something like a Kent AST2, a conversion to dispak if its a dizzy engine, aftermarket management to cope, and a setup from a reputable RR.
I was under the impression that a Kent AST cam was for carb used and the NOV range was for injection.
-Bruce- made 150bhp on a standard inlet, with DTA management iirc
Hi Adam you could try http://www.impulsedevelopments.co.uk/ there not too far away and very reputable.
thanks!i shall give them a ring:thumb:
Tricky.
Dan and Jim make largely the "same" power and nearly the same torque, Pretty much the same engines bar the cam. Dan has an AST2 and Jims has a piper BP300.
Both fun engines to drive but dans is a more driveable lazy engine if you arent giving it beans.
With that in mind I'd pick a cam somewhere between the AST2 and BP300. Maybe something like a 290degree version of the AST2... see what catcams have then call jamsport for a price.
i would prefer a engine like you describe dan's i.e a more drivable lazy engine if you arent giving it full beans.as it will still be my daily driver(hopefully not for long)so i shall still have to drive it in heavy traffic etc.i have just been looking at the catcams website and they do a 291 degree cam,a 297 degree one and a 282 degree cam
Welsh Dan
26-11-07, 11:58 PM
I was under the impression that a Kent AST cam was for carb used and the NOV range was for injection.
-Bruce- made 150bhp on a standard inlet, with DTA management iirc
You're right :).
Woot! ^
Dan's engine is for sale I beleive, it's on carbs tho on a standard inlet
Woot! ^
Dan's engine is for sale I beleive, it's on carbs tho on a standard inlet
how much is it?have you got a link to the spec?:thumb:
The NVO series is for injection engines on standard management.
Mappable management can be mapped to make pretty much any cam run fine(even 300deg etc)
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/viewfeaturecar.php?ref=2011
you have to PM him with an offer
Ive driven dans car lots and its awesome. 30mph in 5th, floor it and it pulls clean to the limiter (rather rapidly too)
A bargin at what its on offer for :)
RE the catcams
4600338 (http://www.catcams.be/800x600/prod01Adata.htm?PN4600338?PN46003xx.js)
286 / 286?
247 / 247?
11.35 / 11.35mm
2.90 / 2.90mm
O.E.M.
HYDR: rally & cross
4600339 (http://www.catcams.be/800x600/prod01Adata.htm?PN4600339?PN46003xx.js)
298 / 298?
260 / 260?
11.40 / 11.40mm
3.75 / 3.75mm
O.E.M.
HYDR: rally & race
either of those look suitable to be hotter than the AST2 but not as lairy as the bp300...
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