View Full Version : Incedent at Castle Combe involving VXON admin!
concerned
12-09-07, 04:07 PM
This post is just to inform the Vauxhall community of the actions of one of the Administrators of VXON at Castle Combe action day.
Whilst out on track in the afternoon, Mark from VXON (pic of Mark and his car attached) was overtaken spiritedly by an Escort RS turbo just before bobbies, just after the no overtaking zone. As maneuvers at Castle Combe go, this was not uncommon, nor particularly bad IMHO. Maybe a word with the marshals about it would have been warranted if he felt it was dangerous.
However, Mark decided the best course of action was to speed around the warm down lap flat out, pull up where the Escort was parked at the end of the session, get out of his car, approach the Escort and send a flurry of punches at driver before the driver had even undone his harnesses.
He didn?t wait to find out whether the driver was a young lad or a pensioner, a male or a female due to the drivers helmet still being on.
Once he was separated from the now very irate Escort driver, he then got back in his car and proceeded to wheel spin off around the paddock nearly hitting various people.
The reasons for my thread are as follows.
1. Any threads mentioning the subject on VXON are deleted, and postees promptly banned (presumably by Mark)
2. Even if someone rams into your car on a track day, you are there at your own risk, and hitting someone isn?t even a last resort.
3. This man is supposed to be the head of a car club, and setting an example. I feel VERY sorry for the members of VXON on whom he has brought so much shame, and I hope he is dealt with by the club the way someone in MY car club would be dealt with for actions as childish and neandarthillic.
I will also be writing an email to the VBOA informing them in no uncertain terms of his actions. I think it would be an insult to see him at another event after acting in this way representing a Vauxhall club.
Mark was ejected from the Circuit and banned shortly after his outburst which was the correct and proper thing to do proving that the staff and marshals at Castle Combe do take such incidents seriously and perform out the correct actions.
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Ahh, so they did throw him out then! Thats good news.
Fair play on the post, thats discraceful if he's Admin.
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It's a shame about that, was a top day otherwise!
craig green
12-09-07, 04:25 PM
Its a shame when something like that happens, hopefully no one will let it tarr the rep of VXON. I wouldnt condone the antics of the Vectra driver but the Red mist has been known to cause otherwise placid drivers into raging maniacs.
However physical violence has no place in what is meant to be a pleasurable day for enthusiasts & participants alike.
I had no idea it happened whilst there on Sat, but speeding in the paddock is bang out of order itself IMO.
Lets hope there is never a repeat. :thumb:
Thanks for the post Concerned. It was a shocking event. I only heard shouting and then seen the guy speeding off past me like he was on a special stage at a rally or something!
lol must admit stuart did give a awsome punch back , right over mine a rexy's shoulders lol
stuck post up on corsasport :thumb:
lol must admit stuart did give a awsome punch back , right over mine a rexy's shoulders lol
Stuart beeing the escort driver or GAY stuart?:roll:
Thanks for the postto,i wonderd what went on(was mentioned in another thread)
glad he was ejected,
Martin
LOL, i would imagine our Stuart would have offered a shampoo and set rather than a knuckle sandwich lol
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 05:35 PM
Hi,
I've just had this thread sent to me by Dougie, I'm the actual Admin from VxON so I thought I had better come online and set some stuff straight.
First off, Mark is club staff not an Admin at VxON
Second, Mark didn't get ejected from Combe the old man who punched him several times and tried to headbutt him did.
From what I understand Mark did give the guy a shove, but thats it. He had a word with him because this guy undertook him in a no overtaking zone in a dangerous fashion (and had done so to several other people during the day, including several VxON members) the guy then flipped out threw punches and kicks whilst Mark stood there not hitting back, they were then seperated and the old guy then came over to the VxON stand to kick off again.
If any of thats not factual I am more than happy to be proved wrong, but please don't take the first post to be the truth
The only people who have signed up and been banned for talking are people coming in to stir up ****!
Mark apparantly has the incident on video too.
I'll be back online later to check for any replies.
Thanks,
Dave.
Jim Mcrae
12-09-07, 05:38 PM
ohhh better than eastenders.... Fair enough important to get your side across too
ANDYRACER
12-09-07, 05:38 PM
Ahh Mark was over speaking to a few of us on the Mig stand, first time ive heard anything about this.
I know how he feels tho, i nearly had a beemer m3 side swipe me over taking me on a bend, i was ready to get out and smash his face in myself but i carmed down after a few more laps.
Hi Dave.
Just so you know, I have footage of Mark actually attacking Stuart as we were pulling in just as it happened. It wasnt a few shoves i can assure you.
Plus, Stuart was there right up until the end of the day, and marks Vectra dissappeared very soon after.
I didnt get involved as there was already a massive crowd, but this post by 'Concerned' seems to keep to be closer to the truth than yours.
Ill be happy to host the footage of the 'shove' if you wish.
Plus i really want to know who this concerned guy is now. Its like real life 'guess who' lol
Hi PVO Dave, I for one was told different from what you have written. By the marshalls at Castle Combe as well as people who actually whitnessed the event. The marshalls told me the big guy in the Vectra was banned. I would welcome your footage of the 'shove'.
As for the guy retaliating, what do you expect?
The guy in the escort was not ejected from the circuit because he was next to our stand and carried on with his day and packed up just before I did at the end of the day. He is also a Castle Combe regular who has always driven well.
Whats your excuse for Marks behavoiur as regards speeding in the pit lane. I seen this myself because he came flying past me at a rate of knots!
Why lie?:confused:
im a gay stuart :D yay.
iirc that mark used to be on here with a rally nova that he used to co pilot and was one of the first to pioneer the nova "coupe"... that dosent excuse any behaviour but its a good thing that we didnt have him doing similar in the name of PNG!
Taken from Mig..
Just found something of intrest. The incident on track @ 8:50 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5198141043772486038) To make it eaiser for you I have put a little comment on the right that takes you to the incident.
Didnt realise it was THAT that peed him off so much!! Looked harmless to me!
(also nice to see our footage gets watched LOL)
Aye, Stuart is Dars dad, but we werent really bothered about making a big thing out of it due to the fact Stuart would probably win if half of the WWF started trouble with him lol
IMO, i saw the Mark guy attack stuart, and my first thought was 'oh you silly silly man' lol
I can see what the Concerned guy is saying though, it could have been anyone in the car.
:) IMO, he overtook on a short straight section, and nipped into the racing line - WELL CLEAR of the vectra...
The Escort is clearly a much faster car, so why gripe ? at least he didn't hoon round the Warm down lap, where generally (although they shouldn't) people are paying less attention and don't have expectations of someone flying round at full pelt.
chris gsi
12-09-07, 06:24 PM
i just dont understand what upset mark? as when the escort passed me i new he was there and going to go pass as i use my mirrors. but at the end of the session to pass me on the slow down and then shouting at the marshells and then racing of in the pits where people are walking about and i know when i walk about i dont look for moving cars so he was lucky not to drive in to anyone and there was a lot of little kids about.On my first session of the day i was passed by a black evo as i was about to turn in to quarry and i thought t**t but i did not go over and smack him i just let it go
chris gsi
12-09-07, 06:47 PM
just had a quick look on vxon to see what they are doing about mark or what he has to say and nothing about this on the site???
lol like you think they will say anything publicly....
just had a quick look on vxon to see what they are doing about mark or what he has to say and nothing about this on the site???
read the first post chris, saying any thread's about it get deleted and person posting get banned or something:confused:
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 07:05 PM
Hi Dave.
Just so you know, I have footage of Mark actually attacking Stuart as we were pulling in just as it happened. It wasnt a few shoves i can assure you.
Plus, Stuart was there right up until the end of the day, and marks Vectra dissappeared very soon after.
I didnt get involved as there was already a massive crowd, but this post by 'Concerned' seems to keep to be closer to the truth than yours.
Ill be happy to host the footage of the 'shove' if you wish.
If you can send me a link to the footage that'd be great
Well the guys on VxON were told he was kicked out.... guess that wasn't true then!
Hi PVO Dave, I for one was told different from what you have written. By the marshalls at Castle Combe as well as people who actually whitnessed the event. The marshalls told me the big guy in the Vectra was banned. I would welcome your footage of the 'shove'.
As for the guy retaliating, what do you expect?
The guy in the escort was not ejected from the circuit because he was next to our stand and carried on with his day and packed up just before I did at the end of the day. He is also a Castle Combe regular who has always driven well.
Whats your excuse for Marks behavoiur as regards speeding in the pit lane. I seen this myself because he came flying past me at a rate of knots!
Why lie?:confused:
One of the Marshalls who didn't even witness the event has already been on and given his opinion even though he didn't even see what happened, so again, I guess they were both banned then! :roll: or both people have been told lies to keep them sweet?
TBH I wasn't there so I'm only going on what I know, if I see the other footage then I'll guess I'll be able to properly comment, but I can't see why anyone would try and punch someone with a helmet on
I know he's your dad, so I'm not getting into a slanging match (especually as I don't even know all the facts) but there were several complaints about his driving on the day
Mark has told me he has footage too, including after he drove off, so I guess we will see soon enough
I've not come on here to lie, so lets not take this down the childish route please.
just had a quick look on vxon to see what they are doing about mark or what he has to say and nothing about this on the site???
There is a thread but it's in the clud area to find out what the hell has gone on! Mark isn't even home from work yet to comment!
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I'm not here to cause trouble, just want to get this sorted! :)
Dave.
BigStan
12-09-07, 07:05 PM
Well i watched the in-car on track footage and i think it didnt look to bad, agreed if he shouldnt have gone past at that point fair enough but dont know if it warrants a helmet smashing and even now the truth about that is not clear. Lets just hope it all gets sorted out sensibly. :confused:
according to one person on mig there was "pretty bad damage to his headlights from the crap kicked up by the escort" erm if that was the case then the whole front end of the car would be mullered as headlights are notoriously hard as feck.
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 07:16 PM
according to one person on mig there was "pretty bad damage to his headlights from the crap kicked up by the escort" erm if that was the case then the whole front end of the car would be mullered as headlights are notoriously hard as feck.
He has angel eye style headlights, not sure if they are quite as tough as OEM?
they look like they are behind OEM glass (and if not then they shold atleast be E marked which infers they are tough enough to be used on the road etc....)
oh and for the record... im not the escort stuart (I do escorting but thats a whole different game)
NovaLad
12-09-07, 07:24 PM
oh and for the record... im not the escort stuart (I do escorting but thats a whole different game)
lol
As per in car footage..
the veccy is Waayyy over the other side of the track, i wouldnt warrent that as a "bad Maneuver" etc etc.. later on Chris Gsi does the same thing, ok ok so its nto on a corner but he pulls over for you chris..
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 07:36 PM
Hi Dave, PM sent :thumb:
Cheers! and replied! :)
dont see what the problem was there,as he was well on the other side.
i would of done the same thing..
on the straight not on a bend..
some people just hate being losers..
scott.parker
12-09-07, 07:48 PM
I remeber mark from his novaload days, never met the guy, but he always seamed ok, it's a shame that the smallest thing like being overtaken by someone who knows the track can infureate someone to such lengths, ok it was very close to the corner, BUT if mark was looking in the rear mirror he would of seen him.
I dont understand why some people feel they have the right to phiscally take it out on someone after the event, he could of kept it to vocal,or told the marshalls etc.
Lee i would like to see the fotage, and im sure so would everyone els,as if it clearly shows mark in the wrong then thats that end of subject..
Scott
according to one person on mig there was "pretty bad damage to his headlights from the crap kicked up by the escort" erm if that was the case then the whole front end of the car would be mullered as headlights are notoriously hard as feck.
Indeed I read that and thought WTF! I must damage loads of cars if thats the case because I have sticky tyres and pass a few!
In respect of Dave from VXON we're not making it public, we werent intending on making a fuss about it as I said, due to the fact of all the people to pick on, he picked Stuart (which is uber silly lol). This Concerned guy has made a lot of people aware of the fact it happened, which I suppose is a good thing as it will hopefully prevent anyone doing it in the future.
scott.parker
12-09-07, 08:01 PM
Umm can you post the video annon on google? lol
iirc that mark used to be on here with a rally nova that he used to co pilot and was one of the first to pioneer the nova "coupe"
Yar, he was my NL idol lol... I rather liked his A(?) reg coup?
nova---chris
12-09-07, 09:26 PM
id like to see the vid of the incident.
Pretty poor behaviour tbh . When theres quite obviously a proper route of complaint the bloke could have taken (ie the marshalls) .
And as stated you take your car on at your own risk. And if your headlight cant take a few stones then whys the car on track? not being funny but this is true? you wouldnt take ya grannys fiesta on a wrc stage would ya.
Really piss poor behaviour. Altho ill await any further developments before i fully judge. :)
As for retaliation fair play. Tbh we are all the same there. if someone hit me infront of people for no apparant reason then id feel the need to defend myself or have it out on a even footing (ie when im stood up and able to defend meself)
Action days. gotta love em!
this is a judgement on what ive read only. i didnt see the incident at hand !
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 10:24 PM
Thanks to Bottlethroddys for being more than reasonable about this, I did see the video and tbh without being there it's near on impossible to see whats going on!
There's always two sides to every story, and unless you were Mark or Stuart it's not 100% what happened.
I have two videos from Mark from his car, the first is the escort ignoring the no overtaking rule (about 3-4 seconds from Mark going through) and the second of the incident (well audio of Mark ranting at Stuart then Stuart coming back punching and headbutting - obviously this video doesn't capture the first bit so it does seem one sided - but we still know something happened before) then it shows Mark 'flooring it' in the paddock, I'm pretty sure you can tell there's no speed involved there, then Stuart coming back to hit him some more.
Mark is annoyed at himself that he went and shoved him, but hindsight is a wonderful thing!
EDIT, well I do have two videos but it won't let me post them because I don't have 15 posts! - I can PM the links to someone if they want to post them?
Cheers,
Dave.
Yeah, as you can hear me say in the video I showed you 'you dont fcuk with Stuart' lol
As it was, Mark picked on someone without knowing who it was, it turned out to be someone you really dont want to pee off. Mark obviously acted in a rage without thinking, as you say, its not like him, and thats exactly what happened with Stuart.
Obviously, violence of any sort shouldnt be tolerated, and Im sure Stu wouldnt have got so angry if Mark waited for him to get out of the car, I think it was that fact alone that made him so angry. Hes not the type to let fists fly unless heavily provoked. Mark's a big lad, and if it were some poor weedy bloke like me in the car, the situation would have been very different I imagine lol
I think its best to draw a line under this whole thing and hope that it doesnt happen again, from anyone at any event.
NovaLad
12-09-07, 10:44 PM
Do we get to see the vids?
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 10:45 PM
Yeah, as you can hear me say in the video I showed you 'you dont fcuk with Stuart' lol
As it was, Mark picked on someone without knowing who it was, it turned out to be someone you really dont want to pee off. Mark obviously acted in a rage without thinking, as you say, its not like him, and thats exactly what happened with Stuart.
Obviously, violence of any sort shouldnt be tolerated, and Im sure Stu wouldnt have got so angry if Mark waited for him to get out of the car, I think it was that fact alone that made him so angry. Hes not the type to let fists fly unless heavily provoked. Mark's a big lad, and if it were some poor weedy bloke like me in the car, the situation would have been very different I imagine lol
I think its best to draw a line under this whole thing and hope that it doesnt happen again, from anyone at any event.
In the video from Marks car you see your car pull up on the grass! :thumb:
Nightmare situation, not helped by being posted on **** loads of forums!
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 10:45 PM
Do we get to see the vids?
I'll leave that up to BT as I can't post them! lol
Aye, but as I said on mig, theres always someone watching, so best not to be a hot head.
Unfortunately, my engine doesnt care how much of a fool it makes ME look LOL
NovaLad
12-09-07, 10:49 PM
Ok post the vids up in ya own time :D
Philsutton
12-09-07, 10:49 PM
Its a track day, you take your car on at your own risk get over it. Your not even supposed to be racing anyway.
I'll leave that up to BT as I can't post them! lol
In the interests of cooling off the already frenzied debates, I think we should leave it, although Id like to see them if you can PM me.
PVO_Dave
12-09-07, 10:50 PM
In the interests of cooling off the already frenzied debates, I think we should leave it, although Id like to see them if you can PM me.
Will do! :)
i remember mark and that doesnt seem like him at all but it was fooking years ago i knew him and people change i spose.
At the end of the day, thing happen in the heat of the moment, but ther's no place for violence at a track day!
At the end of the day, thing happen in the heat of the moment, but ther's no place for violence ever....
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