my rolling road set up

[barnyvaux]

hi all just thought id share my pic's and video of my rolling road set up.
ive got a 2.0 16v red top coil pack engine,with pullys power cap fse boost valve and s/s exhaust and turbo injector's and yes they do make a difference...
first run was 166 bhp then 5 run's later with twicking with fuel and the pullys she came off with a 174bhp at the fly wheel and 147bhp at the wheels and 149lbt tourqe whoo well happy with that...

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/barny_01/th_MOV00180.jpg (http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/barny_01/?action=view&current=MOV00180.flv)

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/barny_01/ABCD0003.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/barny_01/ABCD0004.jpg
thanks for looking
a few of us in the ipswich area are going to sort out a rolling road day for vauxhall's not just nova's...
i'll put a posting up when its sorted...

[corsa_valver]

very nice like what youve done to the timimg cover

[Stuart]

where is the RR?

[Dar]

Good stuff :D
You've just reminded me that I have to find the vid of my car when I put it on the rollers

[Stuart]

Dar, bet your gutted now for paying out for throttle bodies to get similar power to this guy.... lol

[Dar]

Nah, I like the BLING factor of the TB's:thumb:
For reference mine was a masooive 149bhp ATW

EDIT: I was 2bhp out I am running 147bhp ATW :D

[dhdev (Oli)]

Nah, I like the BLING factor of the TB's:thumb:
For reference mine was a masooive 149bhp ATW

0.5bhp per body, thats good that is! lol

[Dar]

lolAll ready for when I decided to put a fast engine together;)

[Stuart]

a small block?

[dhdev (Oli)]

a small block?
Won't do that He'd have to re-learn his lines round combe to account for the reduced understeer :p

[Dar]

I couldn't go small block. These women were asked what they thought of small block Nova ownerslol
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/24/speeding25607_wideweb__470x265,0.jpg

[dhdev (Oli)]

lol

[Stuart]

If a small peniy keeps them away from me then ill happily vote small block every time lol

[dhdev (Oli)]

Maybe thats why smallblocks handle better, its not that the engine is lighter, its just the greatly reduced penile mass...

[matthew172]

smallblocks are for gay ****ers

[Dar]

Maybe thats why smallblocks handle better, its not that the engine is lighter, its just the greatly reduced penile mass...
lol I reckon we should go back on topic or you will start to make me blush:wisewood:
Although all the low down weight would help lower the C of G:D

[dhdev (Oli)]

Although all the low down weight would help lower the C of G:D

Not when the Dick is on your head :p

[Will F]

lol
Gone slightly off topic!

Would be interesting to see the plotted graph.

Must be the 'turbo injectors' that are supplying the extra bhp....;)

[Dar]

Not when the Dick is on your head :p
lol touche


Would be interesting to see the plotted graph.
That would be nice. Do you have the graph?

[craig green]

Torque figure isnt 'all that' considering the bhp....

[The Simps]

Torque figure isnt 'all that' considering the bhp....

Was thinking that too but the 172 SBD TB kit (think thats the right one) doesn't make much more than that to tbh.

As a benchmark, my old XE made 172/160 with powercap, headwork, cams & grp N chip. Was only on standard injectors tho :(

[Jonlem]

I cant actually see how turbo injectors are going to make that much difference tbh, slightly better spray pattern and a lot less fuel pressure but that shouldn't really increase the power that much.

Was the power @ the fly estimated as I've seen those sort of figures on one of my old engines which was nigh on stock yet run on rollers that only gave power @ wheels (SCS Harvey Gibbs 171hp)

[Jonlem]

Simps my engine I mention was exactly the same spec as yours, group n ecu/ cams, ported head and powercap.

I can't remember what the torque on mine was though

[craig green]

Turbo injectors would only help if theres extra air to compensate & make up the mixture..... seeing as the creams dont max out in regular use I cant see how a powercap would require the reds.

Maybe the cap is the reason for the torque fig.

My old XE funnily enough made the same torque as my 1.6T, hence I remember the figure. 167lb/ft.

[Jonlem]

I think it has been mentioned before that powercaps lose torque ?

I only used one as it made a good unit to install nitrous injector into.

As you say though creams are far from maxed at that power, I know Gaz'd made 218 hp @ Track and Race on creams with his xe, approx 95 % DC though, time for volvo injectors at that level IMO

[spanishfly]

I really want to see the graph. I bet it goes something along the lines off...below standard power/torque till 5000 rpm, a peak of power, then nowt again.

[Stuart]

and the power + torque curves wont cross at 5252 ;)

[barnyvaux]

hay i'll get the graph up but i as i dont have it on me..(its in the nova)it'll be a day or to as my friend has borrowed the nova...
yes the turbo's do make a difference at high rev's 5grand plus, noticed it straight away when i put them in..
ive heard loads of storyies about them not doining no difference but they do...
i used ray at t and m in colchester.. there's nothing this old boy dont no he's well known and everybody tells you to use him..
the graph is messured in kw/ kph then he caulates it in to bhp etc...

the pattern is great really smoothed it out.unbelievable how much difference it makes getting your car set up..

my friend done my cover looks really good only done it so it makes easy access to the pullys....

i want TB'S but he said the car will be hard to drive as a everyday car anyone shed some light......

im in need of a diff lol its mental to drive but spins way to much

[barnyvaux]

for got to say i lost 27bhp through the gear box so 147bhp @ the wheels..

[Jonlem]

TB's are fine on a road car, if its mapped badly and your running a "all or nothing" set of cams then yes obviously it would become hard to drive but thats nothing to do with tb's themselves.

What fuel pressure are you running the yellows at ?

A lsd with transform your car or any fwd car for that matter, by far the best mod I ever done on my old car.

[Adam]

If you have the standard 3bar reg, and have turbo injectors you will be overfueling your engine. Seeing as the ecu map is based on the standard injector flow rate, and fuel pressure.
Do you aftermarket cams? I guess so by having verniers fitted.

[Will F]

lol

I was jokin about the injectors. What colour are they?
If they are yellows, they will be overfuelling @ 3 bar.....

Unless you have backed the pressure off with a FSE thing, in which case, there would be no pint in the injectors anyway! :wtf:

[barnyvaux]

its runnig about 2bar i think!!!!! yes i have a fse boost valve and yes the injetors do make the difference. there cream colour..
no dont have cam's fitted i got told the pully's will realise anything up to 10bhp,soo i brought a set of e-bay and i got 8bhp from them... head work and cam's are next with a diff...
still havint got my graph as my friend still has my nova... god i miss it even though im driving my M3 the nova is so much fun.....lol

[Dar]

The cream bosch injectors are standard XE items.

[Adam]

If you have cream injectors, get the fuel pressure back to standard asap :eek:

[Ash]

correct me if im wrong but, the colours don't matter that much. eg: you get cream injectors with high flow rates and cream injectors with low flow rates. As in off the shelf.

[Jonlem]

That is correct ^

[Will F]

That is true, but for the purposes of this thread, I bet they are boggo XE creams! lol
(as no Vaux turbos came with creams?)

[Dar]

OK, I wasn't aware that the colour of the injector dosen't mean an awful lot. However stated that hes using TURBO injectors

ive got a 2.0 16v red top coil pack engine,with pullys power cap fse boost valve and s/s exhaust and turbo injector's and yes they do make a difference
Which are Yellows (0280 150 420) then says that they are Cream in colour (0280 150 744) which are fitted to standard XE's.

I'm sure you can get high flow Cream injectors but they weren't fitted to a LET as far as I know, however he didn't state 'what' turbo they came out of. I have checked all my cream injectors (about 12) and they are all 744's. His fueling can't be out though since hes running decent power.

I guess that when talking about injectors its best to talk part numbers since the colour of them seams to mean diddly squat!:D

[barnyvaux]

well i took blue ones out?????????? the injectors came straight out of the turbo rail and straight into my car.. been told its the flow rate that is different.
i only no wot i got told peeps

[Dar]

barnyvaux, it's ok. It sounds like there is nothing wrong with your fueling.

I just think that you have normal XE injectors. The easiest way to find out is if you read the part number off of the injector. Its printed on the coloured bit inbetween where the injector goes in to the fuel rail and where the plug goes on to the injector. Its also worth you knowing yourself as well.

Just for a bit of info.


Colour | Part No | Flow rate (cc/min) | Working Pressure
Yellows 0280-150-420 303.7
Blues 0280-150-427 241.2
Creams 0280-150-744 214.4 2.5bar or 36.25psi

[Jonlem]

The injectors people use on the 195 conversion on Fiesta Turbo conversions are also cream/beige, known as 701's

When I had my old coilpack xe it ran blue injectors which I had to replace when one failed, eventually I fitted a set of cleaned and tested blue ones back in and it was a totally different car.

All it proved was that the cream injectors I had fitted were not flowing as well as a cleaned blue set I replaced them with.

Swings and roundabouts tbh but I would like to see the r/r printout and
maybe see it match the power on another set of rollers.

Main thing is though that your happy with it, in standard form a xe nova is a fast car