Does anyone know where i can get this info??

[Steve0011]

for reasons that i wont go into (yet) ;)

can anyone tell me were i can get a list of every possible dealer option that you could have on a standard 1.4spi from new?

eg. i found out that front vented discs was an option on all nova's as a dealer fit.

i am mainly interested in engine options

cheers

steve

[staggy_gsi]

you could have a supercharger fitted for an extra ?99.99 lol sorry

[peester]

i dont think theyde have offered much engine-wise; wasn't quite the same back then as it is now with perfomance centres etc..
ebay for old brochures best i think. Or try looking at german sties- someone may have listed new-at-time dealer options..

[Steve0011]

If memory serves (im an old git so dont quote me on this) but i think an Imisher (sp?) cam was avialable. imisher were/are optional extras from the dealer??

what im trying to get at is..................

lets say you ordered a 1.3sr could you have had the twin carbs, imisher air box and cam fitted as an extra????

S

Nice one about the supercharger :D BTW

[draper]

lets say you ordered a 1.3sr could you have had the twin carbs, imisher air box and cam fitted as an extra????

S



and then that was a sport, as far as i know no other model came with similar lists

vauxhall only did that because they had to make 501 so they could rally the nova

[Adam]

If you bought say a 1.4 8v spi luxe model, i dont think there was any optional extra's, it was just a specific spec, a standard 1.4i 8v engine.
You couldn't say buy a Gsi and have twin 40s fitted to it.

The sport had the option irmscher cam yeah.

They didn't have things like "Sports" packs like they do on modern cars.

[Steve0011]

i know GSi & Spi would not have had a carb option coz there fuel injection :p ;)

SR were single carb yes??? the sport was a mk1 BUT if you dangled the cash at the dealer COULD you have got the sport's spec fitted to your Mk2??

the sales leaflets prob would'nt have shown ALL the possible options

steve

i know the 1.4spi was a bad example to use, or was it? could you have had the 1.4sri spec??

[draper]

tbh its the first ive heard of it, i very much doubt it

by the time mk2 were out tho im sure tuning firms like courteny would of been offering carbs etc

[Adam]

As above.
When the mk2 was released, emissions were getting stricter, so people were scrapping carbs in favour of injection.

Im not certain, but i'd 99% say no, you couldn't just buy a 1.4sr and have weber carbs fitted to it. You just bought a 1.4Sr, and left the show room with a 1.4Sr, no optional extras.
Apart from i think gte had option elec windows.

The Sports extra's were limited edition, and stopped being used in about 1985-87ish(sports just c/d reg?) i think. So they wouldn't have even been available.
They were kits, which the dealers fitted to mk1 1.3's.

[draper]

sports were b/c iirc

edit - like courtenay offering turbo conversions on mk2 astra GTE 8vs - its not a factory option as such, it sa modification

[Jack]

the sport was a mk1 BUT if you dangled the cash at the dealer COULD you have got the sport's spec fitted to your Mk2??
Vauxhall didn't offer any engine packs or options - aside from the aforementioned Sport bits, although the Sport was technically a model in itself (whilst it was supplied as a 1.3 base model with the sport parts fitted at the dealer[?], you didn't go in and say "Hi, i'd like a Nova 1.3 with the sport option", you'd say "Hi, I want a Nova Sport"), with the cam as an optional extra.

You couldn't have the T40s on a Mk2 (or even a Mk1 facelift) as they were only for use on the sport, and after C reg (86?) they were discontinued.

If you wanted something more sporty, you had to upgrade to SR/SRi/GTE/GSi; or if you fancied some of the styling goodies you had to purchase one of the myriad of special editions. I think you could get electric windows and central locking as options on some models, but thats about as far as it goes.

Effectively, you chose the engine you wanted first and then what bodystyle and/or other gubbins you wanted round it by choosing the sub model.

[craig green]

If you have seen something from the continent that inspired this thread then it is possible.

Vauxhall choose what models to sell here in the UK right down to things like which seat cloth or engine options etc.

Take the mk4 Astra as an example. On the continent OPEL released an Astra OPC (GSI) estate, we only got the hatchback. There was also 165ps version 2.0 ecotec engine (OPC) which we never had in the UK.

Theres 2 examples of Vauxhall choosing not to sell/spec particular developments.

Euro Novas were spec'd with electric mirrors & heated seats in some countries. As for the engines, as far as I'm aware the only options are Irmscher bits which are an aftermarket dealer part & Irmscher is technically nothing to do with General Motors.

[Steve0011]

just a thought - thanks for the replys :)

now why i asked :D

endurance rally regs say that you cannot change the spec of the car (in this case the engine) to any other within the model (nova) unless it was an option dealer fit to that model type in this example a 1.4 flair. i will give up on the carb idea :( shame thou

i know that there is an Sri version of nova a 1.4 multipoint injection (correct me if im wrong);) now could multipoint have been an option??

im just looking to get as much power as i can from my 1.4spi BUT stay within the rules, i love me nova rally car but on enduro rallies it would be up against the more modern 16valvers (MG ZR) for example.

[draper]

why not fit 1.6 internals ?? im pretty sure they dont dismantle and check everything ;)

edit - the big valve head is a good piece of kit as standard aswell

[Steve0011]

no that would be against the rules and.............

1. i would'nt like to win anything knowing that i cheated
2. you will be supprised what happens at post scruteneering :eek:

i would have bought a nova sri to begin with but there quite rare

steve

[Adam]

Yes a nova sri had a 82bhp, 1.4 8v multipoint injection engine.
Which ONLY came in a Sri model.

Tbh, against 16v engines, 8v versions have no chance(in most cases)

Are you allowed to mod the engine at all?

[Jack]

Unfortunately engines weren't really options, if you wanted the MPi engine you'd need to get hold of an SRi :(

[draper]

in that case concentrat on putting the power down, diffs, tyres, suspension setting setc

[Jack]

Weight saving too, I can imagine even a stripped rover would still be a bit lardy - chop as much as you can out the Nova, and replace as much as possible with lightweight panels etc

[draper]

yeah agreed with weight saving, you'll be surprised how much stuff weighs when you start weighing stuff and how much you can save ny shedding a few gs off everything

[Stuart]

simply slip the 1.4 mpi engine in then since its from the same model family.

Is the class reg to 1400cc or 1600cc but your opting for 1400?
If you win rallys/motorsport with what appears to be a large margin they will rip your engine to shreds, esp post toyotas cheattastic season lol

[Adam]

Aye, weight saving.
Costs nothing, unless you go full bore and get lightweight f/glass/carbon wings/doors etc

See DHDev's nova for weight saving inspiration lol

[Steve0011]

Yes a nova sri had a 82bhp, 1.4 8v multipoint injection engine.
Which ONLY came in a Sri model.

Tbh, against 16v engines, 8v versions have no chance(in most cases)

Are you allowed to mod the engine at all?

Just a thought really, i would hate to find out later that i could have done this'n'that and got more power.

the multi point would have given me a chipping option which is allowed, the only other engine mods permitted is a 'service' skim to the head and air filter is a free choice. thats about it.

i suppose (if it was available) the multipoint+chip+skim (extra compession)+an induction filter could have given me 90+ bhp, a lot more than the 40 something i have now :(

put it this way, the last time i was out (sweet lamb) :D my mate was in the car behind me (a saxo vtr) and he could'nt catch me :) due to my car set-up suspension wise and a little bit of my driving i suppose. with the sri's standard 82Bhp i might have done quite well (maybe?)

S

BTW anyone got an sri shell and logbook they are going to scrap and want to offload?? ;)

[Adam]

Are you allowed aftermarket exhaust manifold?

If so, forget the chip and go for exhaust improvements, de-cat etc.

[Steve0011]

Are you allowed aftermarket exhaust manifold?

If so, forget the chip and go for exhaust improvements, de-cat etc.

no

the only exhaust option allowed is the rear box, the cat has to stay :(

its all to do with 'a level playing field' and all that :roll:

[draper]

if your allowed a "chip" can you add megaquirt or is that deemed management

[Steve0011]

if your allowed a "chip" can you add megaquirt or is that deemed management

as far as i can make out you can update the engines electrical/management system. megasquirt would be quite expensive option and dont forget i have only got a 1.4spi engine. and LIMITED FUNDS. i dont rally to win championships, its just me and my daughter out for some fun. but it would be nice to do better :) a class win would be great:thumb:

for those who are really interested here's the regs


A.1 DEFINITIONS
The term 'car' will mean a unitary construction motor vehicle designed to carry four or more persons. The term 'model' refers to all the variants of the same family of cars. The terms 'standard' and 'original' will mean conforming to the showroom specification of the actual model of car entered as it was produced and sold to the general public through the manufacturer's usual dealer outlets. The Organisers will have absolute discretion in identifying separate models.

A.2 CAR SPECIFICATION
All cars and their components, e.g. engine numbers, must conform to their vehicle registration document and the statutory vehicle regulations. Cars must be in completely standard condition except for the specified modifications detailed in these regulations. All other modifications are prohibited and will be penalised up to exclusion from the event. All components and equipment, and every measurement and dimension must conform precisely to the manufacturer's published standard specification for the particular model of car entered. Entrants must supply the Organisers with any vehicle documentation as required.

A.3 COMPONENT PARTS
Every part or component of the car must be a standard production item identifiable as the manufacturer's listed and numbered part, except where alternative components are specifically permitted by these Regulations. No standard part may be machined, lightened or polished unless specifically permitted within these Regulations.


A.5 BODY (exterior)
Cars must have bodywork that represents the manufacturer's original profile, as in standard or manufacturer's optional extra form. All bodywork panels must be of the material provided as standard by the car manufacturer. Front and rear bumpers must be retained and be of the same material and dimensions as those fitted by the manufacturer. The fitting of additional wheel arch extensions is prohibited. Cars may not be lightened from the manufacturer's standard production weight. Strengthening of the bodyshell is permitted. De-mountable strut brace(s) may be fitted. Detachable sump guards, transmission, fuel tank and silencing system protection plates may be fitted. Bonnet, door and rear door/hatch locks may be changed and additional catches fitted. In the interests of safety self locking door mechanisms should be disabled. Sunroofs are acceptable.

A.6 BODY (interior)
All major internal trim must remain as originally supplied by the manufacturer. The exceptions are:- full harness belts must be fitted; a roll cage must be fitted; the steering wheel may be replaced; the front seats may be replaced; rear seats may have their backs folded down and securely fastened (or cut only where necessary to allow the fitting of the roll cage and seat belts); parcel shelves may be removed; trim and carpets behind the rear seats in the boot space may be removed; inside door panels may be reshaped to accommodate roll cage door bars or substituted by an alternative panel from a model variant; safety air bags may be removed or disabled; additional instruments, switches and controls may be fitted providing the layout of the original components is not changed; interior accessories may be added to improve comfort, convenience or safety, provided they do not affect the performance of the car. The glass areas of the car must not be rendered opaque except for the sunstrip area.

A.7 ENGINE & TRANSMISSION
The engine must in all respects conform to that originally fitted by the manufacturer for the model of car. No part may be machined, balanced, lightened, polished or otherwise modified in any way except for a service reground crankshaft and/or cylinder re-bore which does not exceed 1.5mm (60 thou) or does not exceed the engine capacity class limits by more than 2.5%. Engine and gearbox mountings may be modified or replaced provided there is no alteration to the engine and gearbox or their position within the car. Additional engine braces are allowed provided they utilise existing attachment points on the engine and a strengthening plate may be attached to the base of the sump pan. Dry-sump lubrication is not permitted. Forced induction is not permitted. Carburettor engines may have only the standard, maximum two carburettor chokes (two single or one double.) Fuel injection engines must retain the standard injection system complete with plenum chamber and throttle body unmodified. Air intake trunking, to the air filter, is free. Air filters and elements are free, but must be fitted to ensure the vehicle complies with MSA noise regulations (see A.8 below).
All component parts of the gearbox and transmission must remain as standard for the model of car entered and be unmodified except the clutch friction material which is free. The use of a limited-slip or torque-biasing differential is prohibited.

A.8 EXHAUST SYSTEM
The original exhaust manifold must be retained as standard but the dimensions and routing of the exhaust system after the exit of the manifold may be modified provided any originally fitted catalytic converter is retained. Additional straps and brackets may be fitted to the exhaust system. Noise levels must comply with the MSA noise limits for road rallies which requires the vehicle to produce no more than 74 dB(A) at 2/3 maximum rpm, when measured at an 8.0m distance from the centre of the car.

A.9 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
The wiring loom and ignition and engine management system may be modified. The battery may be changed and its mountings strengthened but its position must remain as standard.

A.10 LIGHTING SYSTEM
Vehicles may have a maximum of four forward facing beams, as well as side & indicator lights. A headlamp provides the main beam and dipped functions. An auxiliary lamp provides a beam other than that provided by the headlamp.
A headlamp may consist of a single reflector with a dual filament bulb, or separate reflectors, each with single filament bulbs providing the functions of main beam and dipped beam separately. These will be considered as the equivalent of a single, dual filament headlamp unit and as a single beam.
Lamp units comprising two reflectors, where one reflector is fitted with a dual filament bulb, will be considered to be a combined headlamp and auxiliary lamp. In this instance therefore, additional auxiliary lamps may not be fitted.
Auxiliary lights using gas discharge technology are not permitted. Gas discharge headlamps may not be retrofitted. Light pods are not permitted.
Where more than four beams are fitted as standard, only four may be used and the rest must be rendered unusable for the duration of the event.
No external navigation or marshals' lights are permitted. No reversing lights other than those fitted by the manufacturers are permitted.

A.11 FUEL SYSYTEM
Alternative fuel pump(s) may be used. Fuel lines may be changed without restriction but must be protected by a fireproof covering where they pass through the interior. The fuel tank may be changed.

A.12 COOLING SYSTEM
The position of the water radiator must remain unchanged but the core construction and mountings may be changed.

A.13 BRAKING SYSTEM
All brake components must be as standard except for the friction material of brake pads and linings and the brake fluid. Hydraulically operated parking brakes are not permitted. Anti-lock braking systems may be removed or disabled. Hydraulic brake lines may be changed and stone protection added.

A.14 SUSPENSION & STEERING
The type, mounting method and position of all suspension components shall be as specified by the manufacturer. The shock absorbers may be of any make and may be uprated from standard. Adjustable spring platform struts are permitted but remote reservoirs are not. Springs are free but must retain their original location. Bushes may be changed for similar polymer materials but rose-joints or similar metal joints are prohibited. Power assisted steering systems may be removed. Steering and track control arms may be changed or strengthened provided the operating dimensions remain as standard. Wishbone pans may be strengthened but the operating dimensions must remain as original. The geometry of the suspension must not be altered.

A.15 WHEELS & TYRES
The only type of tyre to be used throughout the event is from the 'Road Plus' range, as supplied by Colway. The tread pattern may not be altered. Only in the case of an emergency can another type of tyre be purchased from a retail outlet in order to remain in the event. This action must be reported to the Chief Scrutineer at the end of the Leg. Failure to do so may result in penalties as detailed in Article 4.2 and 14.2. It is the intention that additional Colway 'Road Plus' tyres be available for purchase at the end of each Leg. The choice of road wheel is free provided that the wheel-tyre combination fits within the standard unmodified wheel arch. The number of wheels and or tyres carried in the car is free and they must be securely fastened in position. This also applies to any tools and spare parts carried in the car.

[Steve0011]

im going home, so i will pick this up in an hour or so :)

thanks for the interest and posts guys:thumb: :thumb:

steve

[Adam]

Hmm, if you cant change the exhaust from the manufacturers original, i'd get a shell that originally came with no cat, and a twin downpipe setup. i.e. a SR shell

[Stuart]

a 4.18FD (or even 4.28,4.53) would make acceleration much better (and still in the remit of the rules)

fitting a 1.4sri dosent mean the cat has to inhibit you ;) hole saw/broom handle rammed into the substrate to remove it would help.

[Steve0011]

keep the ideas comin :D

as for the weight saving

shell was stripped seem welded and while i was at it ALL the soundproofing went and i mean all of it! i even removed the rear wiper and motor a couple of kg there! i removed the foam from the rear seats (rules say you have to keep the rear seat but it dont say it has to be nice to sit on)

suspension is comp bilstien with gravel spring front standard on the rear with manta wheels that give a little wider track, to be honest it corners like a house fly :D

and here it is:)

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/steve24446536/rally%20car/rallynova1.jpg



s

still think a scrap sri shell is the way to go (if you know what i mean);) i will trailer it away for free :D

[Novasport]

The Sport carb kit, Irmscher injection, gear kits, camshafts, big valve heads, different bottom ends, exhausts etc were available as dealer fit options back in the 80's, the carb kit was not just restricted to the Sport! The kit was built up partly from the already available kit used for the Mk1 Astra!(Inlet manifold, alternater bracket etc)
The airbox was actually a VW aftermarket item and the throttle cable was a Manta one.

[Novasport]

You could actually have an SR specced up at Steve Thompson Cars in Walsall which were Irmscher UK to full Sprint spec with wide arches, injection and much more.
Tom May of Irmscher UK ran a Sport back in the eighties as a company car which had the full Sprint C wide arch kit, wheels, fully tuned Irmscher engine, Irmscher camshaft, Irmscher exhaust inc manifold & of course the Sport setup

[Steve0011]

very interesting Nova.Sport just the sort of thing i had in mind :)

BUT and its a big BUT was the above available on the mk2's in the 90's???

if so, is there any official documentation available? or even part numbers, these can be cross referenced at a dealers and confirmation of what the part was used for.

steve

i just found out that twin carbs are not allowed on road rallies, even the original sport is banned due to it being classed as a homologation special

but the rest of the spec sound very interesting:):):)

[Steve0011]

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[mazzaangus1]

You could actually have an SR specced up at Steve Thompson Cars in Walsall which were Irmscher UK to full Sprint spec with wide arches, injection and much more.
Tom May of Irmscher UK ran a Sport back in the eighties as a company car which had the full Sprint C wide arch kit, wheels, fully tuned Irmscher engine, Irmscher camshaft, Irmscher exhaust inc manifold & of course the Sport setup

Tom May is my grandad, would have loved to see that car