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Right, been looking around at my options and came up with:
40 DCOE's
Bike Carbs
Throttle bodies
Now im leaning more towards bike carbs as ive messed around with these before, altho we used them without aftermarket management but still ended up with one hell of car! Altho the only problem with these is, how do i mount the GM fuel rail onto the the bike injectors? As i can sort the rest out pretty easy?
With regards to DCOE's, i know how to do them and throttle bodies with management is possibly way over the kinda price range id like to pay.
Or theres a Turbo kit, again, there not really to hard to do (i.e: bodge with standard managment and a FPR)
Anyone else got any ideas?
craig green
01-07-07, 05:24 PM
Fuel rail shoulnt pose a brob., I think the std one is brazed together. Easy to find somene that can do that!
I would turbo it, you know that.
Fuel rail shoulnt pose a brob., I think the std one is brazed together. Easy to find somene that can do that!
I would turbo it, you know that.
lol yeah i know exactly what you'd do, and tbh im leaning muchly to either bike carbs, or a Turbo.
I've got the facilities here at home to fabricate parts for either, and there is definetly more info on the turbo conversions avaliable then for bike carb's. Altho having said that, what i know about bike carbs relates to an engine we built some time ago.
Add me on msn Craig, will speak boost on there lol
craig green
01-07-07, 05:34 PM
No MSN chap.
If I was in your shoes I'd get a manifold & blower from Mvaux & maybe try the twin AFPR jobbie.
The rest is just bits like a couple oil lines etc which you can source in the UK. You will still need to come up with your own intercooler etc & pipework whether you buy the full kit or not.
Skim the manifold etc & go from there. Putting low CR pistons in is wise too & MVAUX do them at probably the best price too.
I reckon run it on the L-Jetronic & put megasquirt on it as & when you can.
Yeah sounds like a plan that Craig - im just on the M-Vaux site now, i think ill go with this lot:
-Turbo iron cast C16SE manifold
-M.Power T2 series Turbocharger with internal wastegate
-Elbow flange
-Special AFPR:
And then im wondering about these, are they just industry standard parts?:
-Oil flange pipe for bolt in turbocharger(oil-out system)
-Oil flange nipple for bolt in turbocharger(oil-in system)
-Niple for oil feed in oil pump
craig green
01-07-07, 05:49 PM
The descriptions for the oil pipes are a bit.... jargon. I guess its meant to fit.
The T2 will be fantastic for low end (from idle) torque. It wont rev out especially high but as was my Courtenay converted engine, funkin rapid!
I assume the T2 will be similar to my T2.
If you dont have the pistons, what are you gonna do? Spacer plate it?
At some point I probably would go lower comp pistons, but that would depend upon how sucessful (if i do decide to turbo) the engine goes, but to start id would just a 9.5mm+ spacer plate and a pair of headgaskets with some ARP bolts.
Yeah, i think the oil pipes along with there "special" FPR are desinged to fit this kit, so it could be wise to get them aswell.
Baxter raised a good point on msn tho, regarding space for the fan, altho im thinking using a RS Turbo fan as there quite slim and readily avaliable from eBay aswell?
craig green
01-07-07, 05:59 PM
My intercooler was infront the std rad & the std fan was fine. It was a bit close but never had any issues & I used to have to take the turbo & manifold off offen enough when I was popping gaskets. (hint, get some cleaned injectors on it).
Spacer for the head needs to be about 3mm thick approx. 1 HG either side of it. Use a manual boost controller (not a bleed valve). Straight through exhaust with only a tailbox is nice & not too loud aswell.
craig green
01-07-07, 05:59 PM
Oh yeah & I'd love to reverse the plenum so the tB is on the gearbox side aswell. Make sthe boost piping easier.
Ah ha, the impression i got from a photo i saw was that the spacer plate was very thick! Ive just looked at M-Vaux's Forged Pistons, i dont think id use them to start with, as im planning on getting another SE engine and building it up out of the car as and when funds allow. But id definetly consider the pistons and management though.
So, you reckon Jetronic L, a FPR or SARD FPR and a spacer plate would see me fine to start as thats what im thinking??
craig green
01-07-07, 06:06 PM
Try M-Vaux's FPR. Its a twin stage reg so I dont know what a SARD does other than non-ebay copy ones are the dogs in terms of holding the set pressure under all conditions.
As you will be relying on the L-Jetronic map (& sensors etc) you basically need a higher fuel pressure to kick in as it comes on boost. Then the higher pressure is the enrichment you need as the AFM will deal with the overall business as the turbo sucks more air through it. The only issues I had with mine was when I fitted some crap injectors under the impression they were low mileage.
I will definetly bear that in mind regarding the injectors Craig :thumb:
I think this will be a case of a few months tatting around with a mountain of parts and an engine stand then.
Feck it, Turbo it is then :D
craig green
01-07-07, 06:17 PM
Feck it, Turbo it is then :D
Good lad! I've got a nice pic of a UK modded 2.0 Astra mk2 SRi with a turbo kit on. (photo bucket seems slow though)
Engine project is the way to go. Sat in a stand, easy to work on & no rush (assuming done to a donor lump). Keep me posted & crack ON!
When are you odering the Mvaux bits?
Good lad! I've got a nice pic of a UK modded 2.0 Astra mk2 SRi with a turbo kit on. (photo bucket seems slow though)
Engine project is the way to go. Sat in a stand, easy to work on & no rush (assuming done to a donor lump). Keep me posted & crack ON!
When are you odering the Mvaux bits?
yeah thats how im going to do it Craig, engine stand and loads of used Fiesta and Escort Turbo bits lol
Itll prolly be a few weeks yet till i sort out the M-Vaux parts, but saying that, i reckon i could source all the parts here in the UK?
Oh yeah & I'd love to reverse the plenum so the tB is on the gearbox side aswell. Make sthe boost piping easier.
I know of a company that can supply 16se inlets with the plenum reversed to the gearbox side.
Mike-A sard reg is no use to you, the mvaux reg uses boost pressure to up the fuel pressure.It will need setting up with a afr guage.
Remember the mvaux postage costs and import tax, on top of item cost.
I know of a company that can supply 16se inlets with the plenum reversed to the gearbox side.
Mike-A sard reg is no use to you, the mvaux reg uses boost pressure to up the fuel pressure.It will need setting up with a afr guage.
Ad, PM me the number for that company you speak of please mate :thumb:
So a SARD is no use? Good as there not the cheapest lol AFR gauge? Enligthen me please?? lol
Ad, PM me the number for that company you speak of please mate :thumb:
So a SARD is no use? Good as there not the cheapest lol AFR gauge? Enligthen me please?? lol
I'll find it later mate.
Afr-air/fuel ratio. The fpr will need adjusting till the fuel ratio is safe under boost.
Sard is a solid rate reg, you need one that changes under positive pressure.
I'll find it later mate.
Afr-air/fuel ratio. The fpr will need adjusting till the fuel ratio is safe under boost.
Kewl, ive seen those little digital gauge things that most cossie's have mounted in the car that show all that kinda stuff, and ive actually got one here somewhere?
Well, when/if i get that far, ill be asking around on here lol Oh i added you to msn chap, hope you dont mind lol
Lol
My msn is busted atm, needs re-installing
I'll sort it when im home.
craig green
01-07-07, 10:16 PM
The AFR gauges are crap. You need a wide band lambda display to do it proper..... 300 quid. Worth it though.
The reversed plenums are for Mini's arent they? On the C16SE conversions. Looked rough the ones I saw.
The AFR gauges are crap. You need a wide band lambda display to do it proper..... 300 quid. Worth it though.
The reversed plenums are for Mini's arent they? On the C16SE conversions. Looked rough the ones I saw.
Hmmm, ill have to join a mini forum and look into this a little more i thinks. As per PM tho Craig, plans are afoot :thumb:
The AFR gauges are crap. You need a wide band lambda display to do it proper..... 300 quid. Worth it though.
The reversed plenums are for Mini's arent they? On the C16SE conversions. Looked rough the ones I saw.
A rr will have a afr guage setup so just get them to set the fpr up.
Or get a wideband and controller and make yourself a digital lambda display,you can do it with a few components and leds. Would be much cheaper.
Yeah the reversed plenums are used in Mini's
Ad, would you be able to dig out that link please mate?
10mins mate, im on the laptop, all my bookmarks are saved on the pc.
10mins mate, im on the laptop, all my bookmarks are saved on the pc.
ok chap, nice one mate your a star!!
http://members.aol.com/hallredrita/page3.html
" Reversing of 8v mpi inlet manifold. ?90.00"
" Reversing of 8v mpi inlet manifold. ?90.00"
you are a darling mate!! :thumb:
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