Carpet and Harness Question

[bieransri]

did any novas come with carpet fitted as standard to the area within the red box. if not what have people used and hows it been done?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/nova_7/Image011-4.jpg

also is there a certain type of harness i need to be able to attach them to the strutbrace as mine have clips that clip to eye bolts and i want it so there isnt and they just wrap around the strut brace. or do they need to be modified?

like in the pic so its easier to understand
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/nova_7/DSC02925.jpg

[Iain]

Yes my 1.4 Luxe Plus came with carpet under the rear bench! Although it's not that nice looking, I'll try and dig a picture out. *edit* can't find a picture sorry

I think to attach the rear harness straps around a strut brace you just pull the straps out of the catch, put them around the brace and put them back through the metal catch in the right way.

[bieransri]

i get the harness idea cheers, can see how that would work:thumb:
mps rear brace fitted soon then:D
is it actually safe, bearing in mind the brace bolts to the arches not just the strut tops:confused:

also wanna sell your carpet bit if you have it?

[Mike]

Any harness has a loop at the end where its mounting bracket loops through the harness. Hacksaw if off, slide brace through. Only problem then being that is reduces the amount in length you can tighten the harness

Your harness have clips on, there just FIA clip in harnesses, used in loads of rally cars. The eyes cost about ?1 each and screw into the seatbelt holes in the shell, or you can buy weld in plates with a threaded hole

[Iain]

also wanna sell your carpet bit if you have it?

I'll find it for you tomorrow and get you a picture. If you want it then sure. :p

[bieransri]

yea ive got the eye bolts all bolted up but want the harnesses around my strut brace. the only thing is around the clip theres a loop like you said and its sewn after it passes through the clip. take it i would have to butcher the harnesses to get them to fit over the brace?

is it safe?

[bump]

Have you welded in your rear brace?

[Mike]

also wanna sell your carpet bit if you have it?

you want carpet, harneses and rear brace? Fook the carpet off, you wont need any of that stuff lol!

Strip off that nasty brown sound deadening crap, and paint the lot :thumb:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/Entire%20reshell/Picture150.jpg

[bieransri]

Have you welded in your rear brace?

its an mps bolt in brace so will be fixed to the body but not welded.

as for the carpet i wanna try and keep the interior warm and tidy yet not have back seats. yours does look tidy but i dont want to start scraping at the brown sound deadeninglol

[Mike]

its an mps bolt in brace so will be fixed to the body but not welded.

as for the carpet i wanna try and keep the interior warm and tidy yet not have back seats. yours does look tidy but i dont want to start scraping at the brown sound deadeninglol

Mine is warm and tidy. You only need the front section to be warm in the winter anyway, else you WILL get ice on the inside of the front screen :thumb:

Demon Tweeks sell 12v auxillary heaters, wire one up in the back, blow hot air into the front ;) can set to cold air aswell

[bump]

My advice is to both bolt and weld it in if your even considering attaching a harness to it.

IMO the mounting points that were designed to take impact related shock loading are a far better point to anchor a device that may well save your life to.

[bieransri]

Mine is warm and tidy. You only need the front section to be warm in the winter anyway, else you WILL get ice on the inside of the front screen :thumb:

Demon Tweeks sell 12v auxillary heaters, wire one up in the back, blow hot air into the front ;) can set to cold air aswell

im not that hard core at the moment to be honest, at some point it may become completely stripped. but not in its current guise:thumb:

[Mike]

Yep, most bolts aint going to hold your body mass x3 in a 30mph or above accident

The faster the speed, the more your bodyweight will increase ;)

[Mike]

im not that hard core at the moment to be honest, at some point it may become completely stripped. but not in its current guise:thumb:

Ooooh fair enough. I now have no carpet at all, front or back, no soundeading either, just painted steel, with internal stainless fuel lines lol and no heaters :D

[bieransri]

Ooooh fair enough. I now have no carpet at all, front or back, no soundeading either, just painted steel, with internal stainless fuel lines lol and no heaters :D

see now if i had the stainless fuel line and internal brake lines ide have it completely stripped looks:cool:

any pics? so the harnesses on the brace aint so safe?

[bump]

so the harnesses on the brace aint so safe?
Nope. Though if your adamant about it, then bolt and weld, preferably with spreader plates in the arches.

[Adam]

I wouldn't be bolting harnesses to any brace.
Or a c-pillar.

[Iain]

For the record, this is how you attach it around something instead of bolting it down (from my OMP manual)

http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/OmpHarnessBarGuide.JPG

[craig green]

The harnesses need to be anchored at a point far enough away so the angle between seatback & harness is more than 90 degrees.

[Iain]

so the angle between seatback & harness is more than 90 degrees.
At right angle to the seat or more? :wtf: Do you mean the harness is at an angle greater than 45 degrees?

[craig green]

yeah thats it. Tryin to concentrate on NL & work at the same time. !!

[Paul]

if it goes straight down when you crash it will break your neck instantly, i cant remember how or why but it does.

[Iain]

If you think about it, if mounted straight to the floor behind the seat, when you crash the harnesses will pull down on your shoulders and crush your spine. If the harnesses are 45 degrees or more the force is more horizontal and will not.

[Adam]

If you think about it, if mounted straight to the floor behind the seat, when you crash the harnesses will pull down on your shoulders and crush your spine. If the harnesses are 45 degrees or more the force is more horizontal and will not. Indeed. Hence the mounting angle...

Which is why people mount them horizontally to the C-pillar, which in a crash just shunts forward and leaves you pretty much unrestricted to smash into the steering wheel/windscreen. So thats a no no too.

Mounted to a rear brace/rollcage is about the best option in a nova, altho just how strong is a brace bolted to the turret...

[bump]

In my opinion the best place to mount them is to the belt mounting points on the back bench. roughly gives you the right angle and is more likely to have the required strength.

As I previously said, if it's going to be a rear brace bolt and weld with some plates on the other side of the arch to spread the load.

Someone will probably say "over the top", but IMHO you can't get too safe with harnesses.

[craig green]

altho just how strong is a brace bolted to the turret...

Stronger than a brace resting over the threads on top the damper! :D

[Adam]

Stronger than a brace resting over the threads on top the damper! :D
Which is a complete death trap

[Martin]

Right this threads realy put me of harnneses is fear of gettin the rong "angle"..

[richi]

i had mine around the strut brace for the dreaded mot and they wouldnt have it, they said it had to be into the old mounting position for the seat belt holders, on the bench