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Does anyone have any experience of the Honda Civic 5 door hatchback/saloon type VTi/VTi-S in either 1.6 or 18 form? I've been looking on Autotrader and you can pick up a 1998-2000 car for about 2 or 3 grand. I know they are about 160bhp, but how does this translate to real world speed, are they geared for 0-60 dash or is their in gear speed more impressive? Do they handle well for their size and are they reliable?
Cheers, Dan
They are quick for what they are, I had a blat with one in my Astra VXR on Monday, obviously my Astra was quicker but for a 1.6 16v 160bhp it is quick.
Usual Jap reliability too - apparently the Vtec engines have only had one failure under warranty. So either they're good engines, or they fall apart after the warranty expires lol
stuartp
22-02-07, 05:56 PM
there great engines mate got 190bhp out of his 1.6vti mild cams and re-worked inlet manifold! It never missed a beat in its 2 years off pure abuse.
i always laugh at 'jap' power. my mate owns this:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3782/spoonsredvtitx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
178bhp iirc, and it's almost equal to my other mates polo GTi at 125bhp lol They do handle really well, as they have clever rear suspension design (can't remember the name) and when they hit v-tec sound awesome for a 4pot. my mate has had he spin when he hits the 'tec lol
Dunno if your mate has noticed, but the paint appears to have come off his bonnet
yea, might be coming off the boot soon as well. :eek:
mates got a 1.6 non Vtec crx and it kept up with my old escort Gti so cant be that bad all it had was custom exhaust and induction kit
Stanley
22-02-07, 07:31 PM
IIRC the 5 door variants (1997-2001) in 1800 form are quite mild at 171bhp but have a pants gearbox and no LSD. The engine used in very similar to the Integra Type R engine (B18A3 IIRC - dont quote me. Integra is B18C4 and has 195bhp ish)
The 1600 ones have the D16 engine with 125BHP due to only being single cam 16v's but same problem with gearbox....
The earlier Civic's (1992-1995) are much better equipped engine-wise and the VTi versions come with the B16A2 engine (160bhp ish) and a much better gearbox (Y21 IIRC) which is MUCH more fun.
A few of my mate have this shape of Civic and have had a LOT of fun with them.
1.6 VTi B16 Twin-cam - RR @ 158 ATW HP (running VERY rich though)
1.6 VTi B16 Twin-cam - Turbo'd etc etc. Dont know power but goes rather well
2.2 Accord Type R engine (B20)- RR @ 205 BHP (again, very rich due to timing advance being out after rebuild)
1.6 ESi D16 Single-cam - Turbo'd and RR'd at 170 ATW HP (run aborted due to running dangerously lean as fuelling isnt quite correct yet)
Some fast cars to be had with these engines.....
Novadex
22-02-07, 07:31 PM
well im buying my Type R hopfully next month... looks exacly like this...
http://www.fastandmodified.com/fam05_images/desktop%20images/WALLPAPER/18%20civic/CIVIC%20TYPE%20R_1024x768.jpg
around 200BHP as standard... watch this space :thumb:
meh, EK3 hahahaa
EK9 is where its at :D we're building a B18C4 engined one at the mo :D
EDIT: B18C4 isnt just found in a teggy ;)
Stanley
22-02-07, 07:46 PM
The EG civic has quite a large following.
Heres my mates ones...
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/shadyaidyvti/civicmeet2-1.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/shadyaidyvti/civicmeet2-2.jpg
yeah mainly becuase they've really dropped in price tbh, i nearly bought a white N reg LSi for ?700 not so long ago!
there not the best off the line for 160bhp because of the lack of torque but when v-tec kicks in jeeez
london_chris
22-02-07, 11:10 PM
watever you do dont buy the single cam vtec, my old firsta 1.6 si used to beat my mates single cam vtec easily,
london_chris
22-02-07, 11:12 PM
mates got a 1.6 non Vtec crx and it kept up with my old escort Gti so cant be that bad all it had was custom exhaust and induction kit
but scort gtis are slow and aint worthy of the gti badge, all it is is an escort si 1.8 with a crapper g/box, nicer trim and skirts/spats oh and some get a better white clock, they are the same engines as the escort si but are slower. just recomend u change ur car lol get a nova with a vtec!
welsh_roadrally
23-02-07, 04:15 AM
I've got a 98'S (mb6 5 dr) 1.8 VTi :D
Had it for just over a year,had done 112k when i bought it and has now just turned 121k without a single problem whatsoever,all its had is regular oil changes,and servicable parts i.e plugs,leads,brake pads,tires e.t.c
Its not an all out performace car but well above your average 1.8;) (was the most powerful n/a 1.8 available in the uk when it was launched in 97 @169bhp)
i've seen 141mph on gps(146 on clocks) my mate had an identical car which toped out at 144 on gps on the same long flat stretch of road (honda quoted 139 when new)0-60 is around 8 seconds.
Spec has to be the best in its class:1/2 leather,aircon,electric sunroof,electric windows X4,electric heated mirrors,h/lamp washers e.t.c...
Earlier models have got the torsen LSD fitted(stamped on the front of the gearbox casing if fitted)
Only place prone to rust on these is the rear arches but its usually very minor,Be sure to check for regular service history but other than that they really are a risk free 2nd hand buy:thumb: .
Performance parts availability is great especialy tuning parts from the USA.
I'll be selling mine in the next month as i can now insure an import Evo 6 for ?750 fully comp:D so i'm thinking along those lines,quite fancied a new shape celica vvti but test drove one last weekend and didn't like it.
If anyone is interested in my Civic i'd be glad to take some photos,spec is as follows:
1998 1.8 VTi,Pirates Black pearlecent,121k with full service history (honda main dealer to 99k),3 owners,16" Alloys with 195/50x16 continentals,Stainless 4 branch manifold,Stainless HKS style back box 3.5",front and rear strut braces,Induction kit,Ferodo fast road pads,5 months tax and m.o.t
?1650 p.m me if interested,cheers:thumb:
well im buying my Type R hopfully next month... looks exacly like this...
http://www.fastandmodified.com/fam05_images/desktop%20images/WALLPAPER/18%20civic/CIVIC%20TYPE%20R_1024x768.jpg
around 200BHP as standard... watch this space :thumb:
Almost looks like mine(although i haven`t got the super charger :( ).I`m sure that car belongs to a guy called Duncan(or used to)seen some vids of it on track at Knock hill,and its pretty rapid.
Milano red with white wheels its getting quite common now :( and there a bitch to keep clean.so i might change mine,had black rims on before and looks good.
Novadex
23-02-07, 03:10 PM
Almost looks like mine(although i haven`t got the super charger :( ).I`m sure that car belongs to a guy called Duncan(or used to)seen some vids of it on track at Knock hill,and its pretty rapid.
Milano red with white wheels its getting quite common now :( and there a bitch to keep clean.so i might change mine,had black rims on before and looks good.
no mines not got the super charger, its just the looks that are the same. i think the standard Vtec will do me in the pants for now :D
Hmmm hondas hondas hondas!!
Gotta love em!!
Im just about to fit a Tanabe Ultra Medallion Titanium Cat back system and Decat to my DC2 Type R tomorrow!!
115db anybody!! LOUD! :eek:
mmm, thats what my mate has fitted to his civic, very loud but nice but i comes with a silencer that bolts in the back and he says its just a little bit louder than standard. Crazy money for an exhaust tho.
Ash
no mines not got the super charger, its just the looks that are the same. i think the standard Vtec will do me in the pants for now :D
Best thing to get for your EP3 type R mate is a Hondata Kpro ECU!.expensive at ?800 but its a fully mapable ECU lowers Vtec point to around 4500rpm and raises rev limiter to 8900rpm,loads of mid range power and has a launch control feature.
Standard their 197BHP at the flywheel and around 155-160BHP at the wheels.I`ve had mine Kpro`d and its now 224BHP at the flywheel and 186 BHP at the wheels(also have CAT back exhaust and induction kit).After I`ve MOT`d it I`ve got a DC sports manifold to go on and it should reach near 200BHP at the wheels B)
heres a pic of mine
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c285/DIBCTR/sp1001.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c285/DIBCTR/1-12-06002.jpg
My DC5 was 221 BHP at the wheels!!
My DC5 was 221 BHP at the wheels!!
UK EP3`s have less HP then jap spec EP3`s and DC5`s,due to lower fuel octane rating here in the UK and different inlet manifolds,and inlet cam settings etc...(japs always get the best stuff).
And the DC5s aren`t 221BHP at the wheels standard ;) thats at the flywheel from the factory.if your DC5 was 221BHP at the wheels then it wasn`t standard! 221WBHP is getting on for around 260BHP at the flywheel and thats not possible on the stock exhaust manifold/CAT
CillitBang
24-02-07, 03:35 PM
Thats gay!
UK EP3`s have less HP then jap spec EP3`s and DC5`s,due to lower fuel octane rating here in the UK and different inlet manifolds,and inlet cam settings etc...(japs always get the best stuff).
And the DC5s aren`t 221BHP at the wheels standard ;) thats at the flywheel from the factory.if your DC5 was 221BHP at the wheels then it wasn`t standard! 221WBHP is getting on for around 260BHP at the flywheel and thats not possible on the stock exhaust manifold/CAT
Oh i know all this matey!! MY DC5 was FAR from standard!!
The jap spec K20A is alot more than just inlet manifold, and the EP3 is different still to the DC5s K20A
Mine had
Toda Manifold
Spoon B Pipe
Spoon N1
Injen CAI
Spoon Throttle Body
Hondata inlet manifold gasket
Hondata KPro ECU mapped at TDi North
ESMMs
Eibach Springs
Toyo T1R tyres
Vtec was set at 4.5krpm Rev Limit raised to 9.3Krpm
Stnading 1/4 mile in 14 flat
221 BHP @ 9129Krpm at the wheels
269@ The Fly
Oh i know all this matey!! MY DC5 was FAR from standard!!
The jap spec K20A is alot more than just inlet manifold, and the EP3 is different still to the DC5s K20A
Mine had
Toda Manifold
Spoon B Pipe
Spoon N1
Injen CAI
Spoon Throttle Body
Hondata inlet manifold gasket
Hondata KPro ECU mapped at TDi North
ESMMs
Eibach Springs
Toyo T1R tyres
Vtec was set at 4.5krpm Rev Limit raised to 9.3Krpm
Stnading 1/4 mile in 14 flat
221 BHP @ 9129Krpm at the wheels
269@ The Fly
I know the jap K20A is alot more different than just a inlet manifold hence why i added "etc.." on the end ;) .
and thats a nice spec on your DC5 :) .i was going to go for a Toda on my EP3 but it means changing to a jap spec front ARB aswell :( .some time later this year it`ll be supercharged.just sorting all the brakes and suspension at the moment really ready for the power increase.
Thats gay!
LOL, like i give a fu*k what you think
and thats a nice spec on your DC5 :) .i was going to go for a Toda on my EP3 but it means changing to a jap spec front ARB aswell
No it doesnt!! A guy bought my toda for the EP3 and it fits without changing!!
Cheers for the comments on mine! It was rapido!
I wouldnt bother with the SCharger, keep it NA, its what the vtec/type r is all about! Stroker/ITBs are the way ahead!
No it doesnt!! A guy bought my toda for the EP3 and it fits without changing!!
Cheers for the comments on mine! It was rapido!
I wouldnt bother with the SCharger, keep it NA, its what the vtec/type r is all about! Stroker/ITBs are the way ahead!
i was always told you need the jap arb for the toda,because it catches the arb under hard acceleration.oh well I`ve allready bought a DC sports mani now,i had mine Kpro`d at TDi north aswell, Pauls a top guy!.
I like the idea of keeping it N/A but a friend of mine has had his Supercharged and it shifts(around 290BHP at the flywheel)I think its the whine on of the super charger that i like LOL.CPL are developing throttle bodies more this year i think,so that might be a good choice,time will tell i suppose.
AVOID CPL LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!
My mates CTR was JRSCd and yeah it was quick , but just ruined it!!
And yes, paul is a top guy!
As for the ARB, get ES mounts and it wont catch!!
AVOID CPL LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!
My mates CTR was JRSCd and yeah it was quick , but just ruined it!!
And yes, paul is a top guy!
As for the ARB, get ES mounts and it wont catch!!
I`ve allready got the ES mounts fitted and a J`s racing ETD,stops the engine moving around too much,so i wont need the jap ARB with the DC mani.
I`ve heard a few people say stay away from CPL but no one every says why LOL.i know people who`ve used CPL and had no problems,but heard rumours of bad service etc... I`ve never used them! too far away,TDi North is much better and have an excellent reputation(currently building a K24 Turbo CTR with around 700BHP+)
I know the car well.
Do a search on the forums (CTRO, TRO, CSC etc) and youll find all you need to know about CPL!!
Do a search on the forums (CTRO, TRO, CSC etc) and youll find all you need to know about CPL!!
I`m a member on those forums but people rarly mention things about CPL after threats of being sued i think LOL,alot of threads have been edited and the admins delete alot of threads slating certain companys now :( which is bad because you need to know who to trust and who not too!.
oh yeah i forgot about that!!
Make a thread, ask about CPL and ask to be PMd the answer, saves public slander
ayone interested in buying a B18 engine? i now have on for sale lol
so maybe some one could attempt to make a V-TEC engined Nova lol lol
stuartp
28-02-07, 07:03 PM
Speaking about these engines to my mate who owned a 1.6vtec at the weekend. Ha he's just sold his rx7 to buy this engine^^^^ and build another civic weapon!
me brov used to have a 1990 crx sir, an holy **** that yoke could move, it was an import an he didnt have any spec but with the limiter off it would still only do 120 they are geared for acceleration, it ate a uk spec wrx impreza and stayed with a jap one, great enigne dohc vtecs, when vtec kicks in they fly!
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