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Right Theres Been alot of talk about this just latley..
Pitbulls & Pitbull type dogs
Fair Enough pitbulls have been ban for various reasons but at the end of the day its not the doggs fault how it was brought up isit?
But the thing i dont get is this pitbull type dog they talk about..
also they go on about how nasty pitbull type doggs are staffys/english bull terriers etc
But What about rottwiellers/alstains < they get used by the police forces and are trained to bring you down on command but when they reach a certain age they are given away for rehoming etc.. i dont get it.. how can trained killer be aloud to be rehomed to a family as a "guard dog" but they wont let you bring up a family pet that goes by the name of a "pitbull type dog" that imho can be less dangereous then and alstian/rottewieler or even a funking yorkshire terrier.. i have a staffy cros english bull terrier and he is now 13years old.. never once has he bitten anybody.. my 2/3 year old cousin comes round alot and my dog has never batted an eye lid at him.. just walks up for a sniff and a fuss then goes back an lays down... he can even take a bone out of its mouth also my dog will take a polo from out of youre lips with out even touching you...
i guess my point is that i dotn belive in killing off a breed that has dont nothing rong in its eyes, it is only doing as its told with is imo a good pet..
Heres my dog
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/Martain_novalicious/PICT0390-1.jpg
i just needed to get it of my chest because its been pissing me of for weeks now.. i dont see how they can tar all the breed with the same brush..
What do you all think about it?
Martin
I don't own any pets but im 100% with you on this. Its how the dog is brought up that makes it dangerous, not the breed. My next door neibour has two rottwiellers and they are perfectly behaved animals. They have both been brought up right. On the flip side, a mate of mine knew a rottwieller called Rabies that was virually untouchable. Again the way it was brought up.
As for dangerous pets, check out these bad boys!
http://www.africancrisis.org/images/NigeriaHyenaBaboonPet.jpg
Novadex
11-01-07, 06:30 PM
Thats right, its the people that are the problem not the dog! the ultimate human awnser tho... if you dont understand it or it dosnt work how you want it "destroy it"! tw4ts!
Cheers lads i thought i'd be getting loads of **** for the thread..
my dad has always said the owner should be punishd not the dog..
take for example that boy who was caught on film chucking a cat in a pen with his "pitbull type dog" and was tellin ti get the cat.. the dog go put down.. it was only duing what it was told.. i just dont get it
Also when them kids was killed.. whos to say the kids wasent pulling/bitting and generaly annoying the dogs until they couldnt take it any more as the saying goes you can only kick a dog so many times until it bites you..
and were was the parents of these kids at the time? talkign about new curtains or having a quick cuppa..
as you can see i feel realy strongly about all of this.. i'v grown up all my life with dogs around me and only once have i ever been bitten and ti was my fault for pulling the dog about(dog was a springer spaneil)
Martin
With you on this one also, it is largely to do with how the animal is brought up. Wasn't this dog "problem" brought to the public eye by that girl who got thoroughly eaten by that dog? Been on the news loads. :roll:
A lot of it is media hype, and one sided reporting.
Police dogs are strictly trained, and aren't made to physically tear a criminal apart.
Philsutton
11-01-07, 06:51 PM
Police dogs are strictly trained, and aren't made to physically tear a criminal apart.
shame, they should
A lot of it is media hype, and one sided reporting.
Police dogs are strictly trained, and aren't made to physically tear a criminal apart.
Yea jack i get ya point...
But i know what i mean on this.. they always show you bad bits about the dogs, never good family dogs like mine. a guy round the corner had 2 bullmastifs cross rottys and they was 14stone each, and they never once bitten anyone.. but iirc they had to be spaded so they could breed other wise they had to be put down...
Novadex
11-01-07, 07:04 PM
lol my mates got a HUGE bullmastif, none of my other mates go near it because there intimidated by it. But everytime i go round i wrestle the thing all round the house and it throws me around back playfully, its soft as sh1t! but because there intimidated by it, they dont like it.. anoying!
P.S: beautiful staff! My mates got the same cross and its called "lanky" lol
For some weird reason the news is full of bad stores, hardly ever do I see a good story. It's just the way it goes. Once the media hype is on to their next obsession the "OMG DOGZ GOING TO EAT UR CHILDRENS" craziness will die down.
i dont own any pets either but i agree with you here
a friend of my dads had an alsation that woul dbark and snarl and looked mean as funk but got beaten up my my old cat lol
Kinky Monza
11-01-07, 07:11 PM
Martin, i'm deffo with you on this too!
I've been brought up around german shepard dogs (no such breed as alsation, just a nick name) bull mastiffs, rotweilers, spaniels and just about every other dog!
Now, the thing that REALLY pisses me off with all this **** the goverment are talking about, and the 'dangerous dogs act' is that the papers wouldn't report on a story if it was, say a yorkshire terrier that'd ripped a kid to bits!!!
Most of you know i have a child who isn't 2 yet, but do i leave her alone with my cocker spaniles??? NO i bloody don't!!! reason being, that regardless of how i've brought my dogs up, of how well mannered they are, how placid, and all that ****! i still wouldn't risk it!
IF a dog is getting pulled around by a child, and it's had enough there is only one way for that dog to say 'enough is enough' and that is to growl or snap at the cause, be it a child, another dog or whatever! that is FACT!
Now, whilst i agree that ANY dog that bites should be destroyed, i don't agree with certain breeds being targeted by the press/public/goverment!
The dangerous doggs act, if anyone takes the time to read it, in full, APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE DOG!!! not just the bull type breeds!!!
My old bull mastiffs were the softest you'd ever see, but their mother hated kids, hence why she was destroyed, she never actually got to bite anyone, just diodn't run the risk!
Sorry for the rant, it just boils my blood when some **** somewhere has 2 dogs, and they're 'guard dogs' and they just happen to be looking after some kid and bang! the kid's dead, the dog owners say 'oh, they've never done anything like that before' and the dogs get put down!
Hang the ****ing owners that become so careless that someone ends up damaged, or dead!!! or let them alone with 10 locals who knew them and see real ****ing justice!!!
Rant over lol
My old bull mastiffs were the softest you'd ever see, but their mother hated kids, hence why she was destroyed, she never actually got to bite anyone, just diodn't run the risk!
Sorry for the rant, it just boils my blood when some **** somewhere has 2 dogs, and they're 'guard dogs' and they just happen to be looking after some kid and bang! the kid's dead, the dog owners say 'oh, they've never done anything like that before' and the dogs get put down!
In that second paragraph, are you complaining about the kid dying or the dog dying? As if I understand the paragraph above you had a dog killed through choice. :wtf:
Kinky Monza
11-01-07, 07:19 PM
Complaining about the kid dying fella, and yes! i did have a dog destroyed through choice!
Couldn't risk selling Ellie on and her attacking someone!!! would never forgive myself!!!
Seems unfair on the dog to be honest. Just my opinion though.
You get the dogz eatin ur childrenz stories every now and again though, and the media flash up again each time and make a big thing out of it.
To be fair though, a dog is a strong animal with sharp teeth. It only takes one inappropriate bite to the wrong person for it to get in trouble. The number of dogs around, its bound to happen. Cats bite people, birds peck people, crabs on the beach nip people... there's a whole load of animals out there that have a go at us, but dogs are one of the few who can actually do some damage. If a cat could take your hand off, the situation would be the same for them. A badger or a fox could easily do a person some damage, but because we don't associate them as cuddly house pets we tend to keep away from them.
You'll probably find more people get scratched or bitten by cats than dogs, but a dog can do worse damage than a cat so it get more news coverage. Consider it this way: a couple cars collide on a motorway and thats a five minute slot on the local news. A jumbo jet bellyflops into a hill somewhere and thats headline international news. Chance and severity play a key role.
Kinky Monza
11-01-07, 07:27 PM
Seems unfair on the dog to be honest. Just my opinion though.
It may have been unfair on her, but it was a choice i made! i breed dogs as a sideline, and i couldn't afford to get a bad reputation for having an unsafe dog!
All my puppies are raised at home, aroung my daughter so they're used to being around a child, but i would NEVER sell a dog on that'd been known to me to not like children, or be unsafe! not only that, i could've been fined over it if i'd have sold the dog on!!!
Traice Pm me aboutt he breeding..
Kinky Monza
11-01-07, 07:39 PM
Traice Pm me aboutt he breeding..
What do you need to know????
To be fair....ALL dogs have a nasty side! If they're encouraged to use their mean side then off course they're gonna be aggressive. Our dog tried to eat me when I was a child, but my dad didn't instantly have him put down, because all dogs have a nasty side.
I love dogs. I think they're great pets.
My ex's step brother had a Rotwhiler....(Can't spell it)...called Zues, and he was SO SO SO trained. You'd say "Zues who is it?" And he'd run to the front door and snarl. And they had a 1 and a half year old running about the house, he loved her to pieces. So it is how they've been brought up.
What do you need to know????
what doggs do you breed?
Kinky Monza
11-01-07, 09:02 PM
Cocker Spaniels, and they are registered, and pedigree too!!!
Will have a litter soon if anyone wants to buy one lol
BigStan
12-01-07, 03:36 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/Martain_novalicious/PICT0390-1.jpg
Beautiful dog mate !
I used to have a Boxer as i was growing up and he was the nicest dog ever, i believe the owners should be punishedand it isnt the dogs fault, its sad to here that beautiful looking dogs that dont have any say in how they are brought up are getting slated !
BigStan
12-01-07, 03:38 PM
Cocker Spaniels not really my choice in dogs but would rather have a dog anyday i think than any other pet !
Kinky Monza
12-01-07, 03:43 PM
Cocker Spaniels not really my choice in dogs but would rather have a dog anyday i think than any other pet !
Not my choice in dog either, but i get given a dog on breeding terms so can't complain TBH!!!
BigStan
12-01-07, 03:50 PM
which would you rather then if any ?
longeysgsi
15-01-07, 02:11 AM
i have 2 pit bulls and they are soft as ****, both brought up to no not to bit into flesh, i can toy fight with them and wind them up but soon as i put my hand in there mouth they run away. my oldest 1 dose anythin she is told if were play fighting and i wana stop i just ask her for a kiss and in a second shes all soft again and licking me, will have to make a little vid of how under control she is heres 1 hows 17 months http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/longey1uk/28042006242.jpg and heres my other shes only 7 months
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/longey1uk/DSC00025.jpg and this was when they tried taking me car out lol http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/longey1uk/DSC00044.jpg
Novadex
15-01-07, 04:23 PM
How the funk did it get insurance? let alone pass its test!
Matt2107
15-01-07, 04:30 PM
Cocker Spaniels not really my choice in dogs but would rather have a dog anyday i think than any other pet !
You can't go wrong with a Corn Snake! :D
BigStan
15-01-07, 05:34 PM
I dont like snakes they are gay !
And no it doesnt have anything to do with me maybe being a little bit scared of them !
Matt2107
16-01-07, 10:16 AM
lol
wisewood
17-01-07, 04:05 PM
So, now that the dog lovers convention is finished with, shall we have the opinion of someone who doesn't have a dog, and couldn't give a hoop what those who have a "dangerous dog" or those who know someone who has a "dangerous dog" thinks. I've been around dogs, indirectly, my whole life... friends and family have had dogs etc etc so I'm not completely alien to the concept of dogs and have no irrational fear of them.
Now, all you "its really well trained" brigade are forgetting something. Dogs arent robots, they're animals. They don't follow a program of behaviour that they cannot deviate from, they follow your commands through choice - because they trust and or respect you. It is a simple matter of mathmatics that sooner or later free-will shall result in the dog prefering to do what it has thought of, rather than what you tell it to do.
A big dog is big, and as such it is strong, but not strictly bred to be an attacking dog. Talking about generational breeding here, not "i raised my dog right".
A small dog, such as a pitbull, which is exceptionally strong for its size is like that because through selective breeding over many generations they have been "created" to be a strong, viscious, attacking dog.
Bring on your ficticious arguements against my factual ramble lol
Matt2107
17-01-07, 04:07 PM
<<< sits back and awaits the torrents of abuse thrown in Wisewood's direction.
wisewood
17-01-07, 04:16 PM
It OK when you've got a pure bred dog, its when you end up with cross-bred dogs that you get a problem.
American Pitbull Terrier for example, is generally mild mannered towards people, but will often for no aparant reason turn on other dogs and fight them... and win (against pretty much anything). They're also quite fond of hunting stuff like birds, cats, livestock etc.
Now, you cross that dog with one that is mild mannered towards dogs but a really good as a guard dog as it hates all humans it doesnt know and you're either going to end up with an ultra soft dog that wouldnt harm a fly, or a f*cking uber monster that will be provoked by, attack, and ultimately kill anything that moves.
This cross breeding was done generations ago. The "breeds" are already out there... and cross breeds of those original cross breeds are now popular too.
vallanc3
17-01-07, 04:17 PM
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/vallanc3/oursol.jpg
well my dogs soft as sh*t
wisewood
17-01-07, 04:38 PM
good argument lol
novawez
17-01-07, 04:55 PM
the actuall pit was a cross of english bull and a american staff
no thats an american pit bull english version is a staff cros english terrier(my dogg)
Wisewood i get your point entirelyive been round dogg all my life.. also my old man used to be a breeder..
wev had doggd from cockers to american bulldoggs..
but anyway my point is that its not the dogs fault at all.. its the way it is.. like peeps with mental/phsical problems itsnot there fault...
it can take anything to spark that fight of in a dog from the smallist noist to the slightest movement ive had 2 pedergree pit bulls and yes they very diferent to other doggs, the truble that mine got into was something so silly..
i was takin them for a walk and some guy with a two rottys was walking on the same side of the path with me and they was not on a lead i shouted to him you best put them on a lead mate, he sed nah wats them to poxy things going to do to mine(pitbulls was 6motnhs old) i said u'l be suprised please put them on a lead but he never did i stood stil to let them past and 1 of his dogs set about one of mine and that was it it was like an mike tyson and evander hollyfield fight bits of flesh flyin about, i **** my self one of his dogs was already down had bits of its throat missin etc..at this point there was only 1 thing i could do.. i always carry a piece of rounded thcik wood with me (for my dogs to play with and for occasions like this) anyway i had to knock out/kill my dogs befor one of us got hurt but the time i did the other rotty was dead and so was my two:(...there was a copper near by who had seen it all an came unning over but it was too late, the other guy got fined for not havin them on a lead and i lost my two favorite thigns in the world.. it wasent my fault wat happend did, but my dad isnt alouf to breed doggs anymore and every1 we have must be spaded.. benn(dogg in avatar) is the last dogg i'm having..
what i'm tryin to say is that its the owners faults not the dogs..
if that lad had his doggs on a lead none of them would a been killed nor mine..
same as the sad news about the kids that have been killed.. but what was the onwers of the doggs doing leaving kids with a dogg?
i kno its a long read but i had to say it to help get my point across
Martin
its definately the owners fault!!! iv got a german sheppard and have had people cross the road and stare at me for walking it, but its the nicest thing in the world, would probably lick people to death!!!lol
its just the charva owners that need sorting out....
^^^^feel for you mate that story is awful!!!!
wisewood
18-01-07, 08:40 AM
So basically what you are saying is that people cannot be trusted to own dangerous dogs. Which is exactly what the dangerous dogs act is all about. If a breed is deemed dangerous enough, ownership of that breed will be banned, and for good reason.
To a certain extent you can blame the owners for irresponsible behaviour with respect to their dogs, but some dog breeds are more likely to attack without provocation than others, simply because they think the path you're walking on is theirs, or because you go near a lamp-post it likes to pee against etc.
Also, the story re the two Rottweilers not being on a lead - imagine if you were walking along with two big strong dogs like that, and they decided they were going to attack the two smaller dogs as they walked past... what're you gonna do? You'd struggle to restrain them if they were determinned and would probably get pulled right into the fight along with the dogs, resulting in getting attacked yourself. The guy in this case should have been prosecuted under the dangerous dogs act section 3. [http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1991/Ukpga_19910065_en_2.htm#mdiv1]
Whether or not the press coverage is justified doesn't make any difference as far as i'm concerned. If it were your son / daughter that got savaged by someone elses dog, or even your own dog, you'd be f*cking pi$$ed off and demand to know why wouldn't you ... ?
PS. You don't have a dog "spaded" you have it "spayed" ... spaded sounds like you're whacking it in the bollocks with the back of a shovel lol
spaded sounds like you're whacking it in the bollocks with the back of a shovel lol
Which is probably not far from the truth lol
Matt2107
18-01-07, 09:45 AM
Shocking story Martin... no one should ever have to do that to their own animal... takes guts.
Spaded, spayed Mehh lmao
Shocking story Martin... no one should ever have to do that to their own animal... takes guts.
Used to live on a farm got used to it after a while stil breaks my heart to think of it..
and yes i am a girl for cryin when i wrote that blah...
Matt2107
18-01-07, 04:50 PM
and yes i am a girl for cryin when i wrote that blah...
Mucho big respect
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