View Full Version : Front mounted IC on a Mk1nonGte whitout exposing the IC.
clonebaby
26-10-06, 05:49 PM
Hi, i'm going for a Sleeper nova mk1 whit c18xe-turbo (1.8 16vT).
The problem is that the front bumper is the type that wraps around the front. (not the gte type of bumper)
How can i fit a big IC whitout letting it stick out from the front? want it to be invisible but effective.
Front Bumper Example: (dan's sexual mk1 :D)
http://www2.novaload.net/files/dan/newcar/clean/headon.jpg
clonebaby
26-10-06, 05:50 PM
PS. the solution of topmounted IC and hood scoop is not sleeper'is ;)
i did it by lowering the rad and mounting above it:thumb:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/td/28-08-06_1314.jpg
clonebaby
26-10-06, 06:22 PM
i did it by lowering the rad and mounting above it:thumb:
What rad did you use? and what size is the IC? what ic was it? and can u still get the grill on it?
Put a chargecooler on instead, oil coolers tend to be smaller than intercoolers
^^^ was gona say that jack
As RJ said, you could always use a charge cooler instead of an intercooler ?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/ricmetcalf/DSC00531.jpg
That is running a charge cooler, the cooler in front is an oil cooler, the std LET oil cooler fits behind the grill no probs (thats where mine is).
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/ricmetcalf/DSC00507.jpg
Reckon you'd struggle to fit a decent sized intercooler & hide it !!
Rich
You could always colour code the intercooler !! That way it wouldn't be as visable !!
lol
Rich
clonebaby
26-10-06, 06:46 PM
Put a chargecooler on instead, oil coolers tend to be smaller than intercoolers
Like this`?
http://www.mobeck.com/mt/Bilder/Eaton/Pace%20kit1L.jpg
http://www.mobeck.com/mt/Bilder/Eaton/Chargecooler.jpg
Whats the pros and cons about a Chargecooler?
Is it less effective than a standar air cooled ic?
Charge coolers are fine unless you start to turn up the boost , it will get to a point where your inlet temps will only be stabalised by an IC.
Unless your planning SEEERIOUS BOOOOOST a charge cooler will be fine.
c/c is better than an i/c from a stand still, but once your up and running for any length with the higher boost levels i think you just end up re-circ'ing luke warm water with constant throttle abuse (with the smaller set ups). once on the go the air to air i/c is more efficient imo. nothing stopping you running a small i/c combined with a charge cooler either!:)
clonebaby
26-10-06, 11:15 PM
i did it by lowering the rad and mounting above it:thumb:
More pics? and what rad did you use? u can still fit the grill right?
Matt2107
27-10-06, 09:43 AM
How about a little trimming of the front panel.
If you were careful and handy with a welder you should be able to strenghen it after you've cut it about a bit.
Maybe find a complete **** box and test some options on it. You could even just cut the front end off a nova at the scrappers.
erm ill get a document hosted that suggests nearly completely the opposite of Dan and Lees thoughts on a CC lol...
a charge cooler is perfectly good for decent boost and constant abuse. if youget warm water flowing round then there is a problem with the cooler rad or the pump.
and surely when you doing any sort of speed the cold air hitting the front of your car will give enough cold air flow anyway ?? like when your ssat in traffic and the temp rises but if your giving it some down the motorway the temp is quite low ??
More pics? and what rad did you use? u can still fit the grill right?its a td rad and an ebay special intercooler and yes grill goes back on
craig green
29-10-06, 08:39 PM
Gotta be a charge cooler or mount an IC above the gearbox area & open out the bonnet with Louvres or god forbid...MESH!
Very intrigued by your 1800XE turbo btw. Care to elaborate on the plans?
General Baxter
29-10-06, 09:10 PM
its a td rad and an ebay special intercooler and yes grill goes back on
i knew i had a photo somwhere :thumb:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/04-08-06_0728.jpg
erm ill get a document hosted that suggests nearly completely the opposite of Dan and Lees thoughts on a CC lol...
a charge cooler is perfectly good for decent boost and constant abuse. if youget warm water flowing round then there is a problem with the cooler rad or the pump.
true from a decent set up, problem is, when you compared the price of an i/c to a decent c/c set up its alot of cash! known a few people with the courtney twin core ones which have gone binward in favour of an i/c!
lastly i dont see many big power skylines and cosworths using c/c! which was a good enough reason if any for me to use the air to air i/c:)
The Simps
30-10-06, 12:55 AM
TBH. You'll struggle to fit with that bumper and be total sleeper. Its tricky enough with a GSi bumper fitted and hiding it! (for a decent sized intercooler that is!)
Simps.
craig green
30-10-06, 01:16 PM
Courtenay twin core CC are now triple cored. They arent meant for massive boost power applications in Courtenays instance, to have one on a Skyline, it would have to be even bigger.
Front mount IC will always win for pose value, which is what the modding scene is all about these days anyway.
not just pose value mate, for efficiency, air to air you are getting a direct heat transfere, the more air you can pass through a given area the more efficient the heat exchanger becomes, as does making the heat exchanging area larger, ie big intercooler. most rads are pritty small on c/c and then arn't you transfereing the heat 3 ways, from air, to water then back to air, plus using an electrical pump to transfere it all? from an efficiency point of veiw once rolling the i/c must surly be more efficient at cooling air than the c/c. would have thought if an i/c wasnt as efficient as a c/c, big power cars would have the bigger c/c set ups as you have stated!?
I always thought Charge coolers were more efficient than Intercoolers because the coolant can hold a colder temperature than the outside air (its not just plain water)... Reason they're not used much is because of the amount of coolant required (having less means it loses its cool faster), they're more expensive than a simple FMIC, and considerably heavier.
not holding enough water or not using a big enough rad on the system could surley = luke warm water being re circ'd around the system? by the time you get a large rad in there, clutter the feck out of the pass side with pipe work, a pump and a tank, id rather just opt for a decent sized i/c!. c/c use a water/ methanol mix dont they?
c/c should hold better temp with the right set up as water is denser than air, so more molecules to accept the heat transfere, just limited space in the nova, and as you say too small a tank and small rad, such as the courtney twin cores dont do a brill job when the boost goes up
The Simps
31-10-06, 02:17 AM
I think also it has something to do with the fact that water has excellent cooling properties. I was once told that if doing say a trackday your better off having your cooling system filled with just distilled water and no coolant as the coolant/anti-freeze doesn't have as good a properties as water for cooling. Its more for the "anti-freeze" part. (I may be wrong tho!)
I think per sqaure inch c/c's are more efficient but as said its just room issues that sends people towards I/C's and they are cheaper and easier to install!
Simps.
i need to get this article hosted asap to clear up some of these myths lol....
suffice to say water to air cooling is better than air to air cooling..
the CC rads dont need to be massive as they are inherantly more efficient than air to air of the same size ;)
just do a search on mig mate! we had a massive post going on there i/c vs c/c about 2 years ago!!:)
and again, if c/c are so much more efficient, you had best tell 99% of the big power cosworths/skylines/scoobys that are using fmic where they are going wrong!:thumb:
Stuart... Post the article :D
(P.S. That was Jack!)
the big power cossies etc are generally only used for 1/4's and top speed runs ie where things like long term cooling dosent matter that much so hell motorsport is governed by budget so fit the cheaper option that does the job to a satisfactory level...... I know i would. But if building a road going car that would be ideal to keep reliable etc then id opt for the slightly more expensive approach... but thats just me lol
what about if you are building a car for sitting in a garage and never seing tarmac:p
i/c all the way for me! spent ages reading articles before i went for the i/c option!lol
interested in this wheres this article
craig green
31-10-06, 08:24 PM
I think also it has something to do with the fact that water has excellent cooling properties. I was once told that if doing say a trackday your better off having your cooling system filled with just distilled water and no coolant as the coolant/anti-freeze doesn't have as good a properties as water for cooling. Its more for the "anti-freeze" part. (I may be wrong tho!)
Simps.
Antifreeze helps inhibit corrosion of the waterways & head etc, but yeah distilled water with Redline 'water wetter' is probably the best coolant for trackdays.
clonebaby
01-11-06, 10:18 PM
OH!!!
Have an idea! The thing is that my heater, frontscreenwasher and battery is removed in the wather tray or what its called, so what about take a ford sierra cosswort IC whos slim and deep and can slide down where the heater system was orginal mounted and mount it there and make som ducts to make the air go from the bonnet and then find a way to make the air travel out from the whater tray thingy? this way i keep it a uber sleeper look whit the stander thin front bumper and the lenght of the air-pipe'nig from the turbo is shortened drastical :p
Any comment for this plan??
Pixz for little help.
IC (or maby make a custom Ic for a bigger and better fit?)
http://www.student.kun.nl/p.oonincx/xs16vt/IM004076k.jpg
The spacing for the ic in the battery/wather/heater tray: (looks like no mutch space but in real life its plenty of space for a IC)
http://www.novaload.net/images/car_images/901big3.jpg
The Simps
02-11-06, 01:04 AM
Sorry. Thats a terrible idea. Just won't flow enough air.
Simps.
The Simps
02-11-06, 01:05 AM
Another option would be to have a custom rad and intercooler made up so the slot together and sit side by side like they do as standard on calibra turbo's.
Simps.
Matt2107
02-11-06, 09:40 AM
Clonebaby - You'd have to come up with some clever ducting to guide enough air to it.... while at the same time keeping heat out.
CorsaCruiser
02-11-06, 10:35 AM
i need to get this article hosted asap to clear up some of these myths lol.... Would like to read that !
Recently bought this cooler:
http://i11.tinypic.com/2prbiio.jpg
http://i12.tinypic.com/3yi60xl.jpg
Here's a collection of intercoolers (incl dimensions): http://www.student.kun.nl/p.oonincx/Intercooler.html
might help in finding one that fits :thumb:
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