Nitrous Oxide anyone?

[stv-b16a]

opinions anyone?

[Stuart]

BPH by direct bedit, its good if you get a good system and have it setup right etc.

no it wond melt the welds on your intake nor drop the passenger floor pan out ;)

[Ste L]

not bad in the short run, but in ht elong run can costs loads, due to having to refill it all the time, and it not lasting that long...

better spending money on porper mod's, carbs, tb, turbo's etc

[Stuart]

all depends what/where he wants to use it.... if its purely for drag racing only then its a good way for cheap speed. (saves trying build say a 200bhp+ N/A engine or a 350+bhp turbo engine...)

i do appreciate that it can work out to be more expensive in the long run but at the same time the kit itself wont really dpreciate that much so its only cost the gas if the kit is ever sold on

[Jack]

Isn't it illegal to have N2O connected (as in fully plumbed in and functional, its ok to have it installed but non-functional) on a road car? Or makes your insurance void or something... obviously if its a track only car this won't be an issue, but if you want the car for everyday use you'll need to be able to disconnect the mechanism or N2O tanks.

[stv-b16a]

dont the kits come with a valve which lets you turn it on and of as u please. would be using it additionly with other mods on my 1600 16v mainly for track days and quarter miles ect
thanks guys. stv

[Matt2107]

dont the kits come with a valve which lets you turn it on and of as u please. would be using it additionly with other mods on my 1600 16v mainly for track days and quarter miles ect
thanks guys. stv

They come with a valve but I think its against the law to have the system connected let alone armed.

You can have it all plummed in as Jack said but not actually connected.

[richi]

you saying it would cost u loads of money in giggle gas but if ur using say a 100 shot of nos, u can use that when u please but if u tune ur nova up to say 150bhp u would always be using that in petrol and im sure that nos would be cheaper then petrol and can be used when and where u please

[Stuart]

if your intent is for use on a track day then get actual engine mods.... otherwise you will be wasting money big time. for 1/4's its fine.

Nitrous isnt nessecaraly cheaper than petrol, plus you ahve to use petrol AND nitrous when running it so its technically double running costs lol

also a 150bhp 1600 isnt "that" lairy on fuel for day to day use aslong as youve not got your foot nialed to the floor all the time.

in short (and my humble opinion) nitrous is excellent for a 1/4 or high speed run, but for track/day to day use then a proper engine setup is the way to go... i mena you can get 150-200bhp from a 1600 16V fairly easily with a set of cams, TB's and management (plus a bit of head work) ok it will cost a fair bit but TB's and management dont tend to drop in value that much so overall the cost might be low once youve sold everything else on lol

[Jack]

you saying it would cost u loads of money in giggle gas but if ur using say a 100 shot of nos, u can use that when u please but if u tune ur nova up to say 150bhp u would always be using that in petrol and im sure that nos would be cheaper then petrol and can be used when and where u please
Remember "Nos" is a product name ;)

I would guess a refill of N2O would be more expensive than the equivalent quantity of petrol? I can't imagine a 5 litre bottle of nitrous oxide being <?5 (of course remembering you still need to factor in the cost of the normal petrol the car is using at the same time as the N2O)?

[edit]Did have a big long reply, but Stu has said exactly the same thing, only in better words lol lol lol

[stv-b16a]

thanks guys.
stv

[stv-b16a]

oh ****t yea, can i run N O on throttle bodies. purely for that extra kick up the **** on 1/4 miles ect.

[Stuart]

oh yes you can ;)

GAZ'D on mig certainly does...

[stv-b16a]

any idea of what would be a safe upper limit for my engine. N O that is

[stv-b16a]

i was already planning to run either t 40's or tb's. with other suitable mods like head work, cams, exhaust. was hoping to be able to take it out to around 140-150 BHP.
what do you think would be a "safe" amount of N O to use on top of this benchmark. with out blowing the head through the bonnet lol. ie 25,50,75.

[Geth]

I've looked into Nitrous kits before and a lot of them will only supply 25bhp kit until they have seen proof that your engine will cope with it, probably looking for knock levels on a rolling road test or something. Once they are happy that their kit won't blow youre engine up they will send what ever jets you want to fit.

[stv-b16a]

175 BHP in a car that weighs just more than 700 kilos would be a nice starting point lol

[Stuart]

as said you get 25bhp jets (bear in mind that these ratings are usually on V8 engines in perfect working order on a dyno in the US) with most kits, and can then upgrade.

imho i would only touch a WET kit WITH controller (looking at about ?8-1000 from WON). a wet kit witn no controller id say about 50jets are ok aslong as the fuelling and ign is setup to cope. and With a controller upto about 100bhp with appropriate setup.....

Look on the wizards of nos forum for proper info.

[stv-b16a]

will do. thanks stuart

[draper]

im sure its legal to have nitrous BUT only if you have 1 of them green stickers warning people of pressurised gases

[Welsh Dan]

Doesn't one of the MG saloons come with NO as standard?

[stv-b16a]

im near sure its not simply illigal

[Geth]

I've just done some searching around on some internet sites and all I can find are statements from Nitrous Oxide kit manufacturers. Every site says exatly the same thing which is "There is no law which either prohibits or allows the use of nitrous oxide in a road car". In my mind and obviously the the same goes for the manufacturers, if there isn't a law against it then it must be legal.

Obviously you would have to declare it to your insurance company who would gasp at the thought of it.

A couple of the sites also went on to explain that a lot of police officers will assume it is illegal and you will get a hard time over it if they see it in your car. But being Nova drivers most of us used to having a hard time from the police anyway.

[Jack]

Q) Is nitrous legal on road cars?

A) The legality of nitrous use on the road varies from country to country, even within the EU. However, contrary to what many people believe (including some police officers) nitrous oxide injection is legal for road use in the UK and many other countries (just as are turbo chargers and superchargers). According to the Ministry of Transport, the Highway Code and the MOT handbook there is no law prohibiting the use of nitrous injection. However just as with any tuning modification, the owner must

inform their insurance company and obtain adequate cover otherwise any performance modification would be illegal. Therefore the only way you will break the law by having your street car fitted with a nitrous kit in the UK, is if you fail to inform your insurance company that you have one. Insuring a nitrous injected vehicle has become easier since WON joined forces with Adrian Flux to provide all their customers with a better chance of obtaining adequate insurance cover. Some other insurance companies such as Greenlight Insurance also offer cover for nitrous equipped cars.

There is a degree of confusion over the need to have a hazard warning sticker on the outside of the car. We previously explained that nitrous oxide is neither a flammable nor a hazardous gas but it is an oxidiser. There is a legal requirement for commercial vehicles to display a suitable sticker but this does not apply to private vehicles, which are not even obliged to display a green compressed gas sticker. However, displaying such a warning sticker might well be advantageous to you and the emergency services if you were to be involved in any kind of accident, as this would inform them that you were carrying a container of compressed oxidiser.
Source (http://www.solware.co.uk/nitrous-oxide-kits/nitrous-oxide-faqs.shtml)



Legalities
The only engine modification that is illegal for use on a public road is conversion to Nitrous Oxide. While it's OK to have the bottle in the car, it is not OK to have it armed (ready for use). When the vehicle goes through the MOT the garage will check that any other modifications are road legal and safe for the public highway.
Source (http://www.performancedirect.co.uk/specialist-insurance/modified-car-insurance.asp)



NITROUS OXIDE
Please could you let me know what the rules and regulations concerning NOS systems are? I am interested in fitting a system but would like to see the rules etc regarding the above mentioned item. Thank you for any assistance you can give me - M. Munson

There are no regulations concerning the use of nitrous oxide to ?dose? the intake gases and increase engine performance. However, the usual emission Tests would apply, and if the use of nitrous oxide to enhance performance resulted in exhaust emissions outside those allowed to pass the MOT, then the vehicle would fail the test. - MOTT
Source (http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-qanda3.html)



Is the use of nitrous oxide road legal?
There is no law that prohibits the use of n2o injection on road vehicles. Our own cars are used on the road and the police confirm that they know of no law that we could be breaking. However you should inform your insurance company, depending on the type of wording of the policy, if you have problems phone privilege insurance on 0870 243 5555. The same applies to all types of tuning, and should be reported to your insurers.
Source (http://www.activenitrous.com/faq.php#q6)



Q6) Is the use of nitrous oxide "road legal"?
A6) There is no law that prohibits the use of N20 injection on road vehicles. My own cars are used on the road, and the local police are aware of my use of nitrous systems, and they confirm that they know of no law that I could be breaking. However you may need to inform your insurance company, depending on the type and wording of the policy. The same applies to ALL types of tuning, these should also be reported to your insurers.
Source (http://www.jon44w.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=60040)

[Geth]

Jack, seems you googled the same words as me.

[stv-b16a]

pretty comprehensive answer there mate.
stv

[Jack]

Unfortunately its not really all that comprehensive, as there's no definate line whether you can or can't have it. IMO, best err on the safe side and d/c it when driving on the road, and slap a warning sticker somewhere - then at least you've covered your back if the police do start to poke around.

Yes, I was bored lol

[Welsh Dan]

You could phone the home office for a definative answer?

[Philsutton]

Nitrous oxide is fun :thumb: , got it on my c20let corsa. I started off using 25bhp on it which made **** all difference tbh but have worked up to 70bhp now which is currently working really well with just under 300bhp off nitrous. I have mine wired up so its just goes off a button, i.e not full throttle stuff that comes with the kit.

The kit cost me 300 and is the WON 100i or what ever its called. Just make sure you do alot of testing an set it up right before you go ripping around and blow it to pieces.

[Lee]

Adrian flux are happy to insure a car with No2 provided there is a green sticker displayed on the back, and im sure we had a guy on PVG with a road setup of nitrous a few years back?

[total_vauxhall]

nos is totaly legal on roads aslong as the bottel valve is not open /best thing for this is a remote bottel opener..p.s for mot the nos lines must run under the car incase the pipe gose tits up and leeks into the car