Is This Really A NOVA SPORT!!!

[Tim]

checking e-bay and found this, belived to be a nova sport, eh:confused:

wots the deal????

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1985-VAUXHALL-NOVA-BASE-WHITE-SPORT_W0QQitemZ4640362306QQcategoryZ9858QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Ste L]

cant see it being one..

not got the twin carbs, brown dash etc etc

[Tim]

just what i was thinking

[draper]

thats never been a sport !!! its quite nice but a bona fide sport

[alistairolsen]

could easily be, there was nothing to identify them really if you removed all the tuning stuff. its a c reg base, so its quite possible.

I dunno why everyone get s so wound up by them. If you can find a mint mk1 base then you can build one. its not like it was a ltd edition or owt, it was a base model with a bootful of tuning goodies, sometoimes dealer fiitted, sometimes still in the boot. So there is no such thing as a "real" sport IMO. I fail to see why folk spent thousands restoring ****ed shells just cos its a sport, reshell the ****ing thing!

[dannyb]

Its not one of the original sports, you wouldn't take off the twin carbs, theres no reason to! Its got seatbelt mountings in the back too, which the sport didn't. If it is a sport someones gone to a lot of effort ruining it.

[Ste L]

could easily be, there was nothing to identify them really if you removed all the tuning stuff. its a c reg base, so its quite possible.

I dunno why everyone get s so wound up by them. If you can find a mint mk1 base then you can build one. its not like it was a ltd edition or owt, it was a base model with a bootful of tuning goodies, sometoimes dealer fiitted, sometimes still in the boot. So there is no such thing as a "real" sport IMO. I fail to see why folk spent thousands restoring ****ed shells just cos its a sport, reshell the ****ing thing!

i've never seen a base model that come's with the sport graphic's....

also they was a limited edition, only 501 made iirc

[alistairolsen]

graphics came on a roll in the boot and were fitted by dealers. No nova sports ever left the factory, thats why the reg says "base" its not like a gte or gsi or sr, it was just a base spec model with some tuning goodies.

I love them, i think they were awesome cars, but theidea of fixing a ****ed shell at great cost cos its a sport is misplaced. its not like with cossies where the vin and id being correct is half the value of the car.

[Tim]

^ very true, but being one of only 501 ever made it does give them a desirability which stands out from others, and why make a replica of a model if you can buy an orignal, surely it would be worth more??

[alistairolsen]

thats the thing, in the case of ltd edition cars like rs500s and stuff where its on the reg document aye, but since there wasnt ever a nova sport from the factory, I cant see how you can argue it was an origianal sport? It was a 1.3 base with one of 501 boxes of bits in the boot!

I cant therefore see what is wrongwith taking all the bits off a sport, putting them in a box, in the back of a nice clean 1.3 base and starting again!!

[RJM25R]

What's to stop you re-shelling a sport and using the sport ID and chassis numbers? Technically, you'd be "ringing" but loads of Cossie owners have done this, and a few nova owners as well, to keep the ID and avoid the dreaded Q plate...

I'm not sure of the "legality" but if you owned BOTH cars, IE the original and the replacement shell, and did it properly (and kept it to yourself) how on earth would anybody ever know??????

For example, buy a rotten sport, buy a mint k-reg 1.2 luxe that's been owned by a granny and reshell the sport into the k. Retro it back to a mk1, paint white, fit engine/interior etc. swap vin plate and chassis numbers and voila, a mint sport, still on a b-c plate but not a rust bucket.

[alistairolsen]

cos theres no need, there is absolutely nothing special about sport reg docs or plates, they were all sts 1.3 base models. cossie reg docs sell for a fortune to ring a replica into a real car because they say cosworth at the top, not in the case of the sport. All you would be doing is making a k reg into a c reg, so it doesnt need to be sport reg, it just needs to come from a std 1.3 base from the right year or two.

I dont see how anyone can ever argue for the existance of a 2genuine" nova sport, not a single one ever rolled off the production line!

[Mike]

same theory applies to the Renault 5 Raider ID. And the Mk1 escort with the twin cam lotus engine! The escort ID sells for quite alot within classic car forums/owners!

Sport is in the title as everyone knows loads of people search "nova sport" on eBay so to get more veiwers &/or potentail buyers just adapt the title dont you! ;)

[RJM25R]

because it's the holy grail of nova's, the only true special edition performance model in the UK

[Mint FRST]

Please see:

http://http://www.pvgevents.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=816


Would say that it is more than likely a Sport.

Remember these cars are more than 20 years old and most will have passed through several owners and at some point been modified.Some more than otherslol i.e. this one.Only the chassis No will verify whether to not it is real, although as other have said theres nothing stopping people cutting the No out one shell and putting them into another.

The brown trim was pretty dated back in the day(Was design to be removed by rally privatiers), so by todays standards its no wonder peolple want to change to later spec'd models. Also running the twin carb's is great for power and the noiselol but owners took them off to improve fuel economy and they could always sell them on to make money(Just look how many sets and airboxes turn up on Ebay).

One other final point is the carbs originally came in the boot and the option to fit them was down to the dealer/new propective owner.For all we know this car may never had had them on (Although I doubt it)

[vaughanmc]

was speaking to the guy who owns this nova "sport" he doesnt know much about it but he thinks it a nova sport but who would know under all that bodykit no one should do that to a rare car

[Matt Pickering]

if it has 'NOVA BASE' on the log book it will be a nova sport!!

[Tim]

well its an ok lookin car, but think that if it is a sport, then well done to all the previous owners who mave managed to destroy it.

id love 1, they look very cool now, with the graphics down each side etc :thumb:

[matthew172]

ive just done a vehicle check on the rac w site and it came up with "NOVA BASE" threfore this being a genuine nova sport!

[vaughanmc]

i think there would be alot of work involved to get this to its original condition but i think it would look good as an original..

[Philsutton]

i think there would be alot of work involved to get this to its original condition but i think it would look good as an original..


its all just bolt on stuff, easy to put back right bar the graphics

[vaughanmc]

if it was mine i would like it really fresh and new so a full respray would be needed then all original parts put back on get it to be a real minter

[alistairolsen]

you got base models that werent sports! Thats the point, there is nothing special about the reg, its a std **** spec car which came with a heap of bits in the boot, which dealers then fitted, vauxhall never produced a nova sport at the factory

[SRlew]

there are bloody nice though, i wouldnt mind buying one one day, awsome looking beasts!

[lj]

i was told that not all sports came with t40's...some had single twin choke!

[andybishop]

Your correct, they were not built at the factory as Nova Sports, But they were all registered by Andrew Duerden (SP) as nova sports, so there is something special about the reg!! so making them a special car, I for one would love to own one again as they are rare!

Did all Std **** Spec Nova's come with the SR Style seats with one piece rear bench??? Nope!! only the sports!!

Did all Std **** Spec nova's come with 1.3 SR engine's fitted with a box full of bit's in the boot?? Nope!! Again only the sports!!

[Novasport]

you got base models that werent sports! Thats the point, there is nothing special about the reg, its a std **** spec car which came with a heap of bits in the boot, which dealers then fitted, vauxhall never produced a nova sport at the factory

Incorrect! The Sports were ordered directly from the factory as delete code option vehicles. They were a Swing but specced with a 1.3SB engine & 5 speed box instead of a 1,2 & 4 speed. The interior was specced with SR Daytona check seats, european spec one piece rear bench seat, basic dash with no side/face vents(to allow fitment of roll cage) and a 2 speed heater fan(Swing had vents & 3 speed fan). The suspension was SR spec aswell.
The cars were fitted with a Pierberg 1B carburettor.
The cars were delivered to the dealers & Irmscher UK sent the box of tuning parts and a sticker kit. The dealers fitted the carb setup & rear box then had the stickers applied if customer required them.
Passenger side door mirror, radio, clock & rear seatbelts were all optional extras

[Spudly]

And i was led to believe that only the sport actually read Vauxhall Nova BASE on the v5 so if the model an the RAC check comes as a BASE then surely it is a nova as all others were classed into merits trips spins and swings and the like were they not???

[Novasport]

And i was led to believe that only the sport actually read Vauxhall Nova BASE on the v5 so if the model an the RAC check comes as a BASE then surely it is a nova as all others were classed into merits trips spins and swings and the like were they not???

As a rule Sports are listed as a 1.3 base model but you cannot go by that alone. RAC does not show engine size so it could be a poverty spec 1 litre!!!
I know someone that had a beige 1.2 base model and fitted a 1.3 & twin 40's to use it for rallying. Now it says 1.3 base model in white on the log book!
Sports can be down as base, SR or sport on the log book as it was down to the dealer as to what they were registered as.

[faker]

the nova 1.3 base was only available as the sport, you could not go in to your local dealer and ask for one. the funny thing is people who advertise sports for sale say that they are one off 501/502/503 built. in fact there where only 417 officially made. gm didnt have all the cars made by the homologation deadline, (and were fined ?25000,00 for homologation irregularities)>so if gm had to make 500 to go racing but only made417 technically the nova sport does not exist.....seeing as they had ordered the cars and 500 odd base 1.3s were made, some off these cars were completed and sold off as sports by main dealers. but they are not recognised as sports as they were made after the homologation deadline. thats why you here off people checking with andrew from vauxhall motorsport to see if their sports are one off the official 417, and not one off the 1.3 base models with a sport kit sold of after the deadline. i know a chap who has one of these later sports, with the original bill of sale reading nova sport and its not on andrews list and its not classed as a nova sport but a rep. explain that one!!!!!!!!!

[cheshiresport]

the nova 1.3 base was only available as the sport, you could not go in to your local dealer and ask for one. the funny thing is people who advertise sports for sale say that they are one off 501/502/503 built. in fact there where only 417 officially made. gm didnt have all the cars made by the homologation deadline, (and were fined ?25000,00 for homologation irregularities)>so if gm had to make 500 to go racing but only made417 technically the nova sport does not exist.....seeing as they had ordered the cars and 500 odd base 1.3s were made, some off these cars were completed and sold off as sports by main dealers. but they are not recognised as sports as they were made after the homologation deadline. thats why you here off people checking with andrew from vauxhall motorsport to see if their sports are one off the official 417, and not one off the 1.3 base models with a sport kit sold of after the deadline. i know a chap who has one of these later sports, with the original bill of sale reading nova sport and its not on andrews list and its not classed as a nova sport but a rep. explain that one!!!!!!!!!


Thats totally mad! A bit worrying too, must get hold of Andrew and check mine :wtf:

[faker]

heres something else to bake your noodle, andrew confirmed that the sport (rep) that i mentioned was made at the factory and was destined to be one off the batch and has a record of its chassis no. but it was made after the deadline so its a rep. but a rep of what? if gm didnt make enough nova 1.3 base "sports" to homologate them properly , its a rep of a car that does not exist. any way all sport left the factory as a base model and were supposed to be registered as a base model and were supposed to have all the pruck fitted after registration so it was technically a modified car ( main dealer fitted options in boot) .