Another possibly silly and annoying idea from Beavis

[beavy69]

Does anyone know if it is possible to use the turbo and manifold from a 1.5 diesel on a small block 8v petrol (i'm sick of putting 1.3L - it's not all about my car, honestlol )?

Is it just a question of f?cking about with the pipes do it fits or is there somthing I havn't thought of?

Is it worth a go?:D

[General Baxter]

nope wont fit, but you can get them made up for ?180 + post for the manifold!

[beavy69]

Where from?

Is that just the manifold? I assume I would need the turbo unit and the pipe it to my intake?

thanks by the way that was quick!

[General Baxter]

run a 1600 gte top end :)

Turbo Tubular carbon Steel C16SE manifold ?160 (all manifolds are the same)
-Oil flange pipe for bolt in turbocharger(oil-out system) ?8
-Oil flange nipple for bolt in turbocharger(oil-in system) ?8
-T2 series Turbocharger with internal wastegate ?280 (have a option of T25 or high power T34 turbo kit)
-Braided pipe for oil ?20
-Niple for oil feed in oil pump ?8
-Oi metal pipe for steel sump: ?8
-Oil return hose for connect oil pipe of turbo to oil pipe of sump ?8
-Elbow flange ?20
-Commom dump valve nice sound and visual: ?30
-Special AFPR(two fuel setups, special made for get a engine turboed using the standard management system. You can configure a perfect fuel demand before and after boost): ?48

Total cost of parts: ?598
Packet weight: ~17kg

http://www.mvaux.com/

[beavy69]

thanks.

[Stuart]

bear in mind you WILL need aftermarket engine management to run it too!
using the 1.6 mpi intake manifold + injectors etc.

you ever going to make your mind up about what to do with it? lol

[beavy69]

Yeah I made up my mind when I bought it. 1000bhp when I finish my course and start earning. Till then most bhp for least cash lol for which you have helped me with nearly all my stupid questions so thanks dude. :)

[beavy69]

Speaking of which lol could I use a 1.6 8v head on my 1.3 block for that?

[Stuart]

yes. drops the CR a bit too

[beavy69]

I thought that was a good thing to have high compression? Or no when you have a turbo?

[Adam]

Higher compression is good for a NA engine.
You need low compression if you have a turbo, because of the pressurised air flow in from the turbo.

That turbo manifold kit will fit all OHC 8v heads.
But iirc the GTE head is good for a turbo engine, due to lower compression.

[beavy69]

Ok cheers.

[beavy69]

Sh!t one more thing, the bloke at mvaux reckons I can run carbz but he doesn't have an adaptor for mikunis. Could I just make a sealed plenum with the correct size intake hole for the ducting from the turbo?

Or are there other issues that I have not thought of? (probably lol )

[Adam]

Im not sure how turbo's work with carbs.
Might have to wait for someone with my turbo knowledge than myself to answer your question.

[Stuart]

in all fairness the effort and pain setting them up that will be needed to get the carbs running right with the turbo you might aswell fit the 1.6 mpi inlet and use aftermarket management to run the fuel and spark (it dosent have to cost loads.. Im currently working out a better value Megasquirt build that the ones that are "readily available")

[beavy69]

Ok so could I use the oe fuel pump with a regulator?

Could that be a set psi or does it need to be controlled by engine management?

By that do you mean a new ECU chip or somthing?

And do the spark plugs not run off the dizzy then?

[burgo]

right cheapest and easiest way to make a turbo car is to use a 1.3 bottom end as these are 9.2:1 standard, then bolt on a 1.6 head and mpi inlet with the standard management. preferbly the very late multec system as this uses a map sensor instead of the weird bosch flappy crap lol. anyway it will fuel more accuratly have the map sensor. to aid fueling you can always get 2l 16v injectors but it really depends how much boost you are going for. the exhaust side is a case of make it yourself as its not that hard really. one other thing is make sure you have really good boost control as you really dont want it over boosting

[beavy69]

With reagrd to the boost controll, is that just a question of measuring it somehow and then adjusting a dump valve acordingly?

which turbo unit is best to use a T2?

[Stuart]

a dump valve has NO controll over the boost. the wastegate and amal valve do this (on a LET).

the ECU im on about is a completely new unit, and new loom. bins the std stuff. you use existing sensors and injectors and the coilpack (easy tog et hold of) and then map the ecu accordingly.

the OE pump and regulator can still be used. the fuel pressur eisnt controlled by the ecu. but you can make it control the turbo boost pressure.

A T2 might be too "big" for a 1.3...... eg it will be laggy etc. you might be better off looking for a T15 form somewhere. But not a diesel one.

[craig green]

I reckon a T3 would be good on 1.3. Ive got one on 1.6, it has NO lag but runs out of puff by 5500rpm. On a 1.3 I'd say it will lag a touch but should boost well to 6000rpm. Depends on the spec etc

[Stuart]

T3's are used on 2.0's though lol so how does it run out of puff running a 1600, unless tis got really awfull trim values etc.

[beavy69]

is the GTE injection unit mpi or spi?

[Ash]

didnt irmscher make a nova turbo on a 1.3SR? i'm sure there was a grey one for sale on here a while ago...or did i dream it?

ash

[Aragorn]

depends on trim and AR, a cossie T3 sint going to run out of puff at 5.5k on a 1.6

[beavy69]

is the GTE injection unit mpi or spi then?

anyone know?

do you reckon a T3 would be good for my 1.3? Is that a garet or do many makes class turbos by T2/3 etc?

[beavy69]

And would I have to change my fuel tank if I used GTE injectors/inlet manifold etc!?

[Ste L]

didnt irmscher make a nova turbo on a 1.3SR? i'm sure there was a grey one for sale on here a while ago...or did i dream it?

ash

No, they did how ever did make an mpi injection system for the 1.3 engine

[Stuart]

yes the 1.6 is MPI

[beavy69]

Which car can I get the ECU off then? or do I have to get some aftermarket thing?

Will I need and injection fuel tank or can I keep mine? (1.3 carb)

[Stuart]

In all honesty id avoid "bodging" the STD ecu to run a turbo.. might aswell fit an aftermarket ecu and have it setup exactly as its supposed to be.
As said im working on a cheaper version of the Megasquirt that you can buy from msot places at the moment

[beavy69]

a dump valve has NO controll over the boost. the wastegate and amal valve do this.

So whats and amal valve?

If you have a waste gate on is there any point in having a dump valve as well? i.e whats the point/difference?

[Stuart]

may i suggest a good ole read of www.max-boost.co.uk

that "should" clear stuff up for you about the LET (and then similar principles remain the same for samller versions)

[beavy69]

Is there any worth in sticking the 1.6 head on until I get the turbo sorted or will it run like sh1t?

[Adam]

Putting a 1.6 head onto what?

That turbo exhaust manifold will fit any ohc 8v head, as they all have the same port shapes.

[Stuart]

you will lose lots of power with a std 1.6 head on a std 1.3 engine