Help upgrades for my 1.6

[F188CHG]

:roll: Cany any 1 help im looking to squese as much power out my 1.6 cavalier engine its pritty standard at the mo apart from the exhaust and a k +n.

I have plans for a weber 32/34 and a fast road cam but wot else can i do ie. 2.0 fuel pump would that help?

[Jack]

Only limited byt your budget really.... but isn't the cav 1.6 engine lower power than the nova 1.6?

[F188CHG]

Not sure bud its a 1.6 carb it would be good 2 no the standard bhp i would like to know every thing i can do and if it takes a bit of money and time so be it!!! :wink:

[Adam]

IIRC the 1.6carb engine is lower bhp than the nova 1.6 engine.

Whats your engine code?

[F188CHG]

C16SV i think is that gd or bad lol

[Nick]

the E is for fuel injection i think. C16SE, C20XE

So yes yours is the carb version of the C16SE and it comes with less power.

You could maybe look at upgrading the head to the C16SE head (as no doubt the SV head could be worse) and aquiring a set of T40's and round port manifold.

Coupled with some headwork and a cam and a decent manifold and exhaust it should see you with a healthy increase in power

[F188CHG]

GdGd wot about silly we things like a bigger fuel pump boot valves etc etc.

[burgo]

you have the best of all standard cams though which is good

[Stuart]

extra pumps etc WONT make a blind bit of difference on an essentially std carbed engine....

[peester]

i mentioned in ur other post "nova" that this 16sv cav engine is much lower power than gte/gsi 16se lumps. Itll cost u arm, leg and hope to get the cav motor near the 100bhp of gte/gsi 1600's. But if u have to stick with this engine, then a 32/43 carb, like u mentioned, or better still twin 40's, with a cam, headwork (gasflowing, open up ports, bigger valves, if poss) exhaust manifold and system and a f13 box (closer ratios - accelerate quicker) shud get it going something similar to gte gsi lump; but theres easy a grand's worth of spending there..

[F188CHG]

nice 1 bud am gona go for the 32/34 due to fuel at the mo i think!
so is it worth buying a brand new cam if i can get it cheap so i have no ware???

[Purplehayz_868]

put a 1.4 head on it

[F188CHG]

A 1.4 head on the 1.6 block wot will that do m8???

[Purplehayz_868]

it will raise the compression ratio, hence more power, ive done it to my 16SV ive also got a piper cam in mine

[F188CHG]

Ah nice 1 wots your bhp now?

[Purplehayz_868]

i dunno yet geez im gonna get it rolling roaded soon and the carb set up properly but im hopeing around 110 - 120bhp, check my car out for the engine specs

[F188CHG]

Good stuff like this 1 bud is this wot i need http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4574754545&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Keep me posted with the bhp :wink:

[Purplehayz_868]

will do geez, good luck on urs

[F188CHG]

Cheers m8 :)

[Nick]

I've just read somewhere that the C16SV is 82bhp.

so bloody good luck to you if your wanting 120bhp lol - a little too much for that spec me thinks

[Dod]

14 on a 16 block, i'm listening...


Buy a GTE head and a set of T40s and a good cam. Should give you a good bit of poke. Shouldn't cost a fortune either.

[peester]

Buy a GTE head and a set of T40s and a good cam. Should give you a good bit of poke. Shouldn't cost a fortune either.

agreed. Dont poke around with 1.4 heads' especially that ebay link - the 1.4 nv is a 60hp thing, no good to u mate..
GTE/GSi head will fit the 1.6 sv bottom end ; twin 40's shud net u more than the 32/34 carb, but ur lookin ?200-?300 for twin 40's... the cam, and i guess some figure around 120bhp shud be possible. But a dear, long winded way if u ask me; plus the f16(??) i think, box is pants , need a close ration jobbie. Its just so much more worth getting a gte/sgie lump and box, its unbelievable.

[Dod]

True, but even a SRI box would do the trick, 120bhp should be safe enough, but idealy a GTE item would be better. But if you're on a budget, 500 quid should see you well on.

[Nick]

your better off starting with a C16SE to be honest...

with a C16SE some 40's and a cam alone wont get you that much more than 120bhp, if that !

Really to release the potential you'l need some decent headwork and a decent exhaust system, right from the manifold.

however, these are later upgrades.

[Adam]

I've just read somewhere that the C16SV is 82bhp.

Yeah thats correct.

As already stated, c16se/e16se (1600 gte/gsi engine), t40s, cam 8)

[Purplehayz_868]

where did u get the idea that i have a F16 gearbox in it, when i have an F13 :?

[F188CHG]

I didnt fit the f16 to big i think its a f 10 at the mo

[Adam]

The 16sv has a f16 wide ratio gearbox as standard.

[Purplehayz_868]

it might have, but ive got an F13 on mine, its closer ratio than the F16

[Aragorn]

F13/F16 has nothing to do with the ratios its just an ident for the class of gearbox

the sv engine is shite due to its 1.4sr style cylinder head

to tune it fit a 16se head from a nova gte and stick some 40's on it, or even the original efi manifold if your concerned about fuel economy

[F188CHG]

Can you get a manifold to put 32/34 waber on the gte head???

[Purplehayz_868]

look mate, have u ever even tried a 1.4 head on a 16SV or have u ever even compared the two heads together, i think NOT. i aint stupid and i know what im doin when tunin my engine, and considerin as i am the 1 who has done it i think i should know whether its done any good or not as i drive the car every day

[Purplehayz_868]

thats to aaragon

[Purplehayz_868]

and id also jus like to say, u all keep sayin get a 16SE head with twin 40s, well where am i ment to find a head, it aint the sort of thing u trip over in the scrappy

[F188CHG]

I cant wait till you bhp test it wots your est at the mo??? :)

[Purplehayz_868]

neither can i m8

[F188CHG]

wot u hopeing for on the bhp mark 110 -120???

[Purplehayz_868]

ye im hoping

[F188CHG]

Good stuff you shouldnt be that far away anywho u have done a lot of work to it :)

[Purplehayz_868]

well ye i would have thought so too, the cylinder head raising the compression must have shifted the 82 bhp upto at least 90bhp, then my piper cam give it another 14bhp, the K&N must give it a couple of bhp, and my 4 branch into full stainless exhaust system must give it some bhp so i should be lookin at least 115bhp, so if i do get some 40s on there they give out about 18bhp then u combine that with the cam, so that wud make the cam produce more bhp so overall increasing the bhp performance out of everything, people just dont seem to look at things in the rite perpective, and a lot of people of here seriously diss the 1.4 head, so they then have it in their heads that if u use the 1.4 head its gonna be wank, but it aint they jus think that, they dont actually know cuz they aint tried it but i have faith in the 1.4 head so im stickin with it, if i go an put the 16SE head on it then its gonna lower my compression so what wud be the point in that, the things i cud do to improve my 1.4 head wud be to get it port polished, get it skimmed, bigger valves.

[F188CHG]

I think i wana try a sr 1.4 head if pos n c for my self :wink:

[Purplehayz_868]

i think that wud be the top idea m8

[F188CHG]

I would need the sr head and the inlet manifold 2 the exhaust manifold will be the same eh :?:

[Purplehayz_868]

the 1.6 inlet manifold will be the same, have u got a 4 branch to go on

[F188CHG]

Not yet just the cavi 1 :x plan on getting 1 soon :D

[Purplehayz_868]

the cave 1 will fit its the same, i recommend a 4 branch tho

[F188CHG]

Yea thats in ma plans :lol:

[Lee H]

well ye i would have thought so too, the cylinder head raising the compression must have shifted the 82 bhp upto at least 90bhp, then my piper cam give it another 14bhp, the K&N must give it a couple of bhp, and my 4 branch into full stainless exhaust system must give it some bhp so i should be lookin at least 115bhp, so if i do get some 40s on there they give out about 18bhp then u combine that with the cam, so that wud make the cam produce more bhp so overall increasing the bhp performance out of everything, people just dont seem to look at things in the rite perpective, and a lot of people of here seriously diss the 1.4 head, so they then have it in their heads that if u use the 1.4 head its gonna be w**k, but it aint they jus think that, they dont actually know cuz they aint tried it but i have faith in the 1.4 head so im stickin with it, if i go an put the 16SE head on it then its gonna lower my compression so what wud be the point in that, the things i cud do to improve my 1.4 head wud be to get it port polished, get it skimmed, bigger valves.

PMSL at 11 bhp off a K&N and manifold :lol: :o

[F188CHG]

Nice :D

[Lee H]

Nice :D

What is?

[F188CHG]

11bhp

[Jack]

K&N will probably lose you power lol

[Lee H]

11bhp

You believe it :roll:

[F188CHG]

i dunno thats y am asking you guys for advice on ma 1.6

[Purplehayz_868]

who said 11bhp on that, you!!
i neva said that, im givin estimates on the other things but i neva said any amout for the K&N or the manifold,
I like the way you guys seem to think u know it all tho

[Jack]

Lee got the 11bhp from you:

the cylinder head raising the compression must have shifted the 82 bhp upto at least 90bhp, then my piper cam give it another 14bhp, the K&N must give it a couple of bhp, and my 4 branch into full stainless exhaust system must give it some bhp so i should be lookin at least 115bhp
104 with the cam and head, then K&N + Manifold/Exhaust has got it up to 115, so thats where he assumed the 11bhp to come from (tbh thats how I read it too!)

[F188CHG]

Ahh Who cares!!!

[Stuart]

I like the way you guys seem to think u know it all tho

and you clearly do ;) lmao

[F188CHG]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Adam]

Can you get a manifold to put 32/34 waber on the gte head???
-You WILL lose power fitting a weber 32/34 to a gte head.
The efi MPI system on the gte engine is miles better than a single carb.

-The 16sv head has the same shape ports as the 1400 sr head,
to raise the compression you should have just had the 16sv head skimmed.

-Or instead of doing headwork, bigger valves etc on a 1400SR head, fit a c14se(nova sri) head with t40s.
It has bigger ports and valves to start with and is a lot better than the 1400carb head.
You could then mod the SRI head and get lot better gains than you would with the carb head.
-As you say the 1.4SR head will fit and work fine, but there are better options.

You can find a gte head in a scrappy tbh, you could also get one of a mk 3 astra 1.6MPi engine.
You can pick up a complete gte engine for around ?80 ish. :wink:


On a more positive note, Purplehayz_868, how do you rate your mongoose system?
i got a mate selling one, but dont know what they are like in terms of fit, sound etc.

[Purplehayz_868]

rite thanks for backing up most of what ive said.
yes the SRi head is better than the SR carb head, i wud rate the mongoose system it has a nice smooth sound to it

[Purplehayz_868]

also it fits just rite aswell

[F188CHG]

Thanx guys got a lot of parts to source and a lot to think about now :roll:

[Purplehayz_868]

thats ok m8, hope to see your car finished on here

[F188CHG]

Yeap i will update when its out the bodyshop then when i do the engine work :wink: i might even get to drive it some day :lol:

[Purplehayz_868]

lol i felt the same bout my nova when it was in my garage for the months i was workin on

[F188CHG]

I hate the waiting i bought this nova completely standard my last 3 were 1/2 done up thats y it feels like its taking even longer!!! :cry:

[Lee H]

Lee got the 11bhp from you:

the cylinder head raising the compression must have shifted the 82 bhp upto at least 90bhp, then my piper cam give it another 14bhp, the K&N must give it a couple of bhp, and my 4 branch into full stainless exhaust system must give it some bhp so i should be lookin at least 115bhp
104 with the cam and head, then K&N + Manifold/Exhaust has got it up to 115, so thats where he assumed the 11bhp to come from (tbh thats how I read it too!)

Glad someone is awake and understands simple maths. Guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about if he doesn't even realise what he is saying :lol:

[Purplehayz_868]

hey whos to say u cant get 11 bhp from K&N and 4 branch, and also 115 was jus a estimate total cuz u neva know the other work on the engine may give it more that ive estimated, so u cant go sayin "the guy obviously dont know what hes sayin" when u dont know what the feck ur sayin, u cant jus go judgin how much bhp somethin kicks out wen u dont actually know, all u know is what you think.

[F188CHG]

Seems like a few ppl on this have 2 always be right wot u think Purplehayz_868
:?:

[Purplehayz_868]

ye as i said earlier, a few ppl on this site seem to think they must know it all, i think if they are gonna come on here givin it shit then they should buzz off cuz after all this page is for ppl to give ideas on things to do, not slag off other ppls views like little girls

[F188CHG]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Adam]

u cant jus go judgin how much bhp somethin kicks out wen u dont actually know, all u know is what you think.
True yes, but you can estimate by the type of cam fitted etc, using basic rules of how much power each mod adds.

At the end of the day, its your engine, if your happy with how it performs, thats all that matters.
People were just suggesting where improvements could be made.

[Nick]

i think you can judge BHP when you know what to realistically expect.

A cam doesn't give 10bhp in one application, and 30bhp in another similarish application. usually it's a pretty coicidental gain.

And i think Lee H knows what he's on about (if it was the Lee down at riggy's a few weeks back)

Anyways, As said best to start off with a C16SE or do the suggested mods running a pair of 40's on a round port head. That is definetly the right route to go !

[Jim]

What cam do you have that is giving you 14bhp?

I can't wait for the RR report.

Jim

[F188CHG]

its an est on a Piper 270 Cam

[Jim]

I think you need to divide your estimates by three. There is no way a piper 270 will give 14bhp.

Jim

[F188CHG]

How much u think m8

[Dod]

Mate, buy a GTE head, a set of T40s and stick the Cam into it. While you''re there get the GTE Exhaust manifold and a decent system. Its nice and cheap as i've said before, 500stg will see you well on and with a nice power increase. So stop this Thread and get scrappie shopping!!!

[F188CHG]

:lol: ok m8 making a list :lol:

[Snowface]

well ye i would have thought so too, the cylinder head raising the compression must have shifted the 82 bhp upto at least 90bhp, then my piper cam give it another 14bhp, the K&N must give it a couple of bhp, and my 4 branch into full stainless exhaust system must give it some bhp so i should be lookin at least 115bhp, so if i do get some 40s on there they give out about 18bhp then u combine that with the cam, so that wud make the cam produce more bhp so overall increasing the bhp performance out of everything, people just dont seem to look at things in the rite perpective, and a lot of people of here seriously diss the 1.4 head, so they then have it in their heads that if u use the 1.4 head its gonna be w**k, but it aint they jus think that, they dont actually know cuz they aint tried it but i have faith in the 1.4 head so im stickin with it, if i go an put the 16SE head on it then its gonna lower my compression so what wud be the point in that, the things i cud do to improve my 1.4 head wud be to get it port polished, get it skimmed, bigger valves.

take all those figures and divide them by 2. Thats a bit more realistic.

i've got and lost the t-shirt on these mods and power figures for small block engines.

[Purplehayz_868]

to be honest everyone, i couldnt care less of what u all think, im happy with my engine, its fast enough no matter what u all say, so i aint gonna bother sayin any more on here, im just gonna go gym, smoke some weed, and have a good nite, cya

[F188CHG]

Thats all that maters m8 :D

[Nick]

im just gonna go gym, smoke some weed, and have a good nite, cya

gangsta !

[Stuart]

hmmmmm 1.4 head on 1.6 block........ ok it raises the CR but the smaller valve sizes (unless an SRI head) are smaller than the 1.6 valves. Which means that any tiny gain from the raised CR will be lost by smaller valves ;)

so really swapping heads lost you power rather than gained it lol



and im sooooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous that you smoke weed, coz dat iz well kewl :roll:

[Nick]

and im sooooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous that you smoke weed, coz dat iz well kewl :roll:

innit

BO !

[leemh1234]

use a gsi head polished and ported it has bigger valves than the other nova engines.then piper 285 cam twin 40s old b reg 1.3sr gearbox good for top speed or gsi box for pick up. 8)

[Lee H]

im just gonna go gym, smoke some weed, and have a good nite, cya

You bad boy, you are so my hero, wish I could be as cool as you man init :roll:

[Purplehayz_868]

ye cuz ur all so wicked i just had to put it in so i cud be on par with all ur coolness LMFAO

[Purplehayz_868]

and i'll jus say u bunch of jokers, there aint nuthin cool bout smokin weed, u small minded ppl

[Lee H]

and i'll jus say u bunch of jokers, there aint nuthin cool bout smokin weed, u small minded ppl

What the fuck are you on about you wierdo, obviously your grasp of English is about ats good as your grasp of Maths.

[Jack]

Sarcasm lost lol

K, how long til this one gets locked :roll:

Actually, jusy out of interest, does anyone have dimensions/specs etc on all the nova heads?

[Purplehayz_868]

what the fuck are you on about you wierdo

Ha me the wierdo our the f**k wierdo, what the f**k u do all day mr f**k know it all study the f**k internet so you can think you know everything. Dick head, and my english is just f**k fine you w**k stained piece of s**t, so dont go dissin me till u f**k know who ur f**k tlkin to, ill rip ur f**k head off your shoulders u prick

[Ste L]

come on children.....
play nicely :lol: :lol:

[Stuart]

oops someone got cranky and then had access denied lol

[Ste L]

hahah nice :lol:

[Lee H]

oops someone got cranky and then had access denied lol

PMSL :lol:

[Ste L]

Lee - just noticed under your name, you got 45's on the nova now?


when you get them fitted?

[Lee H]

Lee - just noticed under your name, you got 45's on the nova now?


when you get them fitted?

Couple of weeks ago, not running perfectly yet but the noise :D 8) Sound so much better than a turbo.

[Ste L]

nice 8)

have to take us for a spin in it sometime

[Lee H]

nice 8)

have to take us for a spin in it sometime

Yeah no problem, haven't seen you since we left the unit though!!

[Ste L]

not even been up that neck of the wood for ages, first time in about a month, last sat, was up at the new unit with coxie

[Jim]

Awwww, was he banned? I wanted to see his Rolling Road report, lol.

Jim

[srs1]

what the f**k are you on about you wierdo

Ha me the wierdo our the f**k wierdo, what the f**k u do all day mr f**k know it all study the f**k internet so you can think you know everything. Dick head, and my english is just f**k fine you w**k stained piece of s**t, so dont go dissin me till u f**k know who ur f**k tlkin to, ill rip ur f**k head off your shoulders u prick

heres some english for him.


TORETTES

[CP]

to be honest everyone, i couldnt care less of what u all think, im happy with my engine, its fast enough no matter what u all say, so i aint gonna bother sayin any more on here, im just gonna go gym, smoke some weed, and have a good nite, cya

:lol:
does this face look bovvered to you?
but does it tho?
d'ya fink I'm bovvvered?
I aint BOVVERED!!

:lol: :lol: