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newboytothenova2
09-06-05, 07:04 PM
hay all wot do you all think to this pay per mile thing they want to do.. my own opinion is its away 2 get us out our cars on 2 sum over crowed busses that will neva turn up on time it will wreck trhe econmamy and my boss has already said if they bring it in we mite as well shut due 2 the cost of running the vans opinions please
General Baxter
09-06-05, 07:12 PM
we were looking into this at work
atleast ?800per week per van :roll:
Ste_Nova
09-06-05, 07:32 PM
i do 40k a year... they can fuck off... also where are they gonna fit it on my car???
How did you work out how much it would cost you for your vans? They are proposing a varying rate depending on the road, and time of day. They havn't even released what rates will be used where.
I don't like the idea becasue a massive 4x4 will be charged the same amount as a mini, which is silly.
General Baxter
09-06-05, 07:37 PM
motorway is approx ?1.50 per mile, and the vans are 99% motorway driven
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Each motorway will be different and the charge will vary depending on the time.
its still bollox, a stupid plan, that i hope they won't go through with
Its silly, they need to tax one thing, i.e petrol OR road tax OR pay-per-mile (or speed cameras...) not have a bunch of taxes
Well i drive to uni and back through the center of bristol and down a short bit of motorway 4 times a week (approx. 10 miles each way) and it's often at rush hour times (which i imagine will be the 'peak' times). If i were charged ?1.34 per mile it'd cost me ?26.80p a day to get to uni. That's ?107.20p a week. And that's without the cost of the petrol i use.
How can they possibly put this forward as a plausable plan?! Whoever thought of this should be fucking shot.
And if the idea is to get less cars on the road then they should make sure that public transport is good enough and trust me, the buses in Bristol are fucking wank. The drivers are arsehole's, the prices are fucking rediculous and they never turn up on time, if even atall!!
If we had decent public transport *cough* like the rest of EUROPE *cough* then we may use it. Nearly all countries around europe have sucessfull trams, undergounds and bus services that are on time (to the SECOND in some countries), frequent and don't cost the earth. Hence, a lot of people use them and the cars on their roads are significantly reduced.
And why haven't the government invested money into developing battery powered cars or equivalent? Because if they did then they would lose billions and billions of pounds from OIL. Hmmm, why did Blair and Bush attack Iraq again? I'm sure if they put the millions (if not billion's) of pounds they receive through speeding fine's towards research/development into a renewable energy source then we would actually have a cleaner enviroment etc, rather than just taxing the fuck out of everyone.
Our government, along with America, should be completely re-assessed because it's a complete and utter fucking joke. They're all money grabbing, self-promoting morons. And to have someone with the IQ of a chimp running the most powerful country in the world (America) is just unfavemable.
:rant:
they wont charge you 1.34 a mile for that. more like 2p.
?1.34 will be for the busy roads in central london at rush hour etc.
So you actually believe i'll be charged 2p per mile for driving through the centre of Bristol (one of the worst traffic zone's in the U.K) at 8am and 5pm? Okay then.............
That aside though, Tony Blairs are dip shit and should be shot. I hate him unexplainably.
*edit*, even if i was charged 2p for EVERY mile i did a year, if i covered 10,000 miles (quite a low average nowadays) i'd still be spending ?200. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Yeah it is a wank plan, but they said that fuel tax would also be dropped if this happened, so fuel would be cheaper so IN THEORY you will pay the same overall.
All political parties are hobo
General Baxter
09-06-05, 09:05 PM
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Each motorway will be different and the charge will vary depending on the time.
Lol M6 and M42 :roll: :lol:
totalnova
09-06-05, 10:53 PM
fuel taxes would be dropped but in a year or to will be higher than they are now they will just creep up again i think the whole car tax should be reassessed by size weight and engine size and if pet/desiel would be alot better this whole pay as you go shit wont ever happen there will be to many people that say no
(ps i think the c charge in c london is a good idea but not run as well as it could be with regards to work vans and deliveries there need to be a lower rate for them)
pay as you go will just lead to nobs buying cheap cars like nova's and using them as run arounds and not insuring them and taxing or being in there name and giving nova owners an even worse name
so i say No
its not likely to happen for 10-15 years so a) dont worry about it now as if they do decide to implement it, then labour WILL be out in the next erection (yes typed correctly)
b) motoring costs will have changed dramatically! and hopefully there will only be 10 or so novas left for track/rally use and we will all be driving about in newer hippy friendly cars which will be taxed in a scale of emissions.
c) im gonna leave the country in 5-10 years anyway so its no biggie lmao.
also if they bump the cost of motorway driving up then people will go back to what there was before the motorway... back roads that will be 2p a ile etc and they will be packed! hmm nice idea there mr darling lol
was on the nows last night they are thinking of using a gps based system to trace you!
so doing a bit of forward thinking if they do that there is a possibility they could use the system to moniter speeds and do away with the speed cameras as they have a good weapon against you
but ALL gps sats are american military ones so if the americans shut them down for a laugh all the gps stuff would stop working :lol:
kinda goes back to john prescotts "Genius" plan to have auto braking cars when you approach a speed limit.... that got forgotten in about 3 weeks lol
If theyre going to be using 'black box' style GPS recievers, surely you could bypass the 12v power supply on it and attach it to the wall of your house when you go to work, hense no charges and no 'big brother' speed fines either. :lol:
As suggested, if Labour decide to go ahead with this they will lose the vote of the motorist, which has to be 70 % of the population, and even if they do, i image we will have the biggest rolling protest the country has ever seen.
Remember, an Emporer runs an Empire, a King runs a Kingdom, so now you see why the country is in such a mess!!
we have a queen and prime minister!
can just see all the houses with spare batteries in their garages with theses things plugged to them!
is like having ali g run the country like he did in his film r-e-s-t-e-c-p......a joke
Best bet would be to leave the battery and black box on one of the Chunnel trains, then the government will think your car has left the country all together :lol:
Just do it discreetly or the bomb squad will have to do a controlled explosion on it.
sTuDeNt
10-06-05, 11:40 AM
Yeah it is a w**k plan, but they said that fuel tax would also be dropped if this happened, so fuel would be cheaper so IN THEORY you will pay the same overall.
All political parties are hobo
Do you really believe in what you just said! I have never heard taxes that were reduced and not creeped up! Come one this country is in s*** and as Stu said most intelligent and descent people will simply leave this crap and find a beeter place to leave! And as for students, well this gevernment has the most moronic attitude! Look if I want to do PhD and get doctorate or whatever this will cost me a bomb and ...... oh! FCUK IT!
Matt2107
10-06-05, 01:16 PM
It'll never happen.
-tucny-
10-06-05, 04:02 PM
if it happens, i think we should all have a good old fashioned riot! :D
dooooney
11-06-05, 03:51 AM
hahahahahhahahahah i love it wats next taxi meters in out oun cars tell us how much we ow and as we get to the gas station we get our selfs a orange top up card or swipe card lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
scott.parker
11-06-05, 10:31 AM
Well i my self think it most likely will never happen as there is so mutch involved to get it up and running,i mean how can they make every car/van/lorry owner get there vehicle fitted with them? If pikys/jipos etc do not have mot and tax now how on earth can they expect to get them to do it,and if there not going to why should we! :roll:
Scott
sickrabbit
11-06-05, 11:21 AM
i bet theres thousands who wished theyd never voted for bloody tony turpin.....
before they go and slap yet another bloomin tax on us - it,d be nice if they actually repaired the state of the roads ( anyone ever driven thru Bedford ? ) it just goes to show the current lot are obsessed with keeping an eye on us all one way or another , dont be surprised if i.d cards become an issue again either .
Find out who your local member of parliment is - put it in writing and complain......
if not that wait till theres a protest march - and join it- i will.
Remember, an Emporer runs an Empire, a King runs a Kingdom, so now you see why the country is in such a mess!!
Didn't know Tony Blair was a Count...wait a minute...oh, I get ya ;) :P
Jim
as stuart said it will be years and years before they could even impliment it.
just think about how long and complicated it'l be to set up offices that process all the GPs information and bill the right people, then installing a computer network and finally installing GPS trackers into people's cars
People are forgetting that this alone will cost billions to set-up. So there's a big overhead to clear in the first place.
And also, if i owned a concours classic car i would not want a GPS tracker put in it.
I have never heard taxes that were reduced
Not looking hard enough then. It has happeed before
You also need to remember that policy they wanted to implement to scrap EVERY car older than 15 yrs, or banning modifications of any kind HAHAHA
That got far didnt it.
mikey14sr
11-06-05, 06:22 PM
If they were to do away with annual road tax and cut the tax on fuel enough then this system would work well for commuters on shift-work. Maybe they want the whole country to work shifts! It would work out nice for me, I'm usually at work before seven, but if I'm not on a night out in the truck I get caught up in the rush-hour traffic. Then again I only live five miles from work so at worst I rekon I'd be looking at 20p to get home each day, and if the cost of petrol was only 20-30p a litre you'd be able to fill-up a nova for about a tenner, a full tank in a vectra would only cost about 20 quid!
Overall for me if it went like this,
No annual road tax,
Petrol for 25p a litre
Under 50p/mile for commuting,
I reckon that for me it would work out about the same cost per year as it does now. But a good proportion of the population do commute between towns/villages/citys, and therefore would probably be worse off by paying a higher fee per mile for the roads they'd be using. But if the public transport could be brought up to an adequate level for a fair price, people would probably think "oh, the bus/train goes to where I want to be and its going to be cheaper than going by car, and I wont have to pay for parking".
And parking is something that seems to have been forgotten, on a saturday in Hull it can be a real pain getting a parking space in town, the fact that at least half of the people that are actually working in the town centre use their cars and take up the spaces accounts for that. And then they complain that it costs them ?5 for all-day parking! Thats another ?30 a week that they could be saving by using the bus!
But at the end of it all lies the fact that public transport MUST be brought up to a decent standard.
Aragorn
11-06-05, 11:41 PM
But at the end of it all lies the fact that public transport MUST be brought up to a decent standard.
i dont care how good a standard a bus is, as far as im concerned i'd rather sit in my own car with my own space and my own music and own heater settings etc.
I dont wanna be sitting stuffed into some bus, unable to talk to gf/mates or whatever properly as theres other folk all round chatting away, going about 3 times further than u would normally drive as the bus visits every stop from here to kazakstahn meaning it takes 3 times longer, and having to walk to the bus stop at either end of the journey
an example of my daily commute when i was at uni by car:
get up around 7:30, get ready and leave for 7:50, collect gf and head to motorway, 20mile trip takes 45mins ish, get there at 8:50ish, park and walk 20-30yards to uni building, nip in for a drink and wander into lecture.
and by public transport:
get up around 6:30, leave at 7 taking bus to train station, get 7:30 train, get into edinburgh train station at 8, walk about 20mins from train station to uni campus, get 8:45 uni bus to other end of city, get off bus at 8:55 at my campus and run 2-300yards to uni building to get to lecture on time
costs about 10p a mile in car so that 40mile round trip turns into ?4, train fare is ?5.50 return and bus is ?1.20 each way which is almost double the price, and i get all my own creature comforts in the car, prolly end up standing on the train as its full
ok i could drive save some money by driving the 7 miles to the trainstation but u cant get bloody parked there either so thats also shit
the problem isnt the quality of the public transportation system, its that its nowhere near as EASY and DIRECT as a car, and almost always takes longer as instead of just driving when your ready u end up waiting around on a timetabled service
if they were to implement the road charging scheme they would NEED to reduce or remove the existing road tax, and cut a lot of duty off fuel, all that would happen is that folk who do high mileage get humped and folk who drive to shops every weekend pay nothing
but if u think about it, the folk who drive to shops arent causing a lot of damage to the roads, so why should they pay the same amount of upkeep (ie taxes) as someone doing 40k a year
if they were to implement the road charging scheme they would NEED to reduce or remove the existing road tax, and cut a lot of duty off fuel, all that would happen is that folk who do high mileage get humped and folk who drive to shops every weekend pay nothing
but if u think about it, the folk who drive to shops arent causing a lot of damage to the roads, so why should they pay the same amount of upkeep (ie taxes) as someone doing 40k a year
Exactly people who use the roads less should get charged less.
IMO lorry loads should still be on the railways, and fuel consumption (ie 4x4s) should also be accounted for. This is coming from someone who travels 70miles per day. Hence I have a diesel.
Also lorrys should stick to the inside lane only!
IMO lorry loads should still be on the railways
that's me out of a job then lol
Also lorrys should stick to the inside lane only!
would be an absolute nightmare.....trust me it's my job!
the speed limits for lorries is 40mph on an A road and on duel carageways and motorways they are meant to be limited to 56mph
mikey14sr
12-06-05, 01:25 PM
Thats why I'm glad I still only drive a 7.5t, 70mph and any lane unless theres a width restriction! kinda dreading getting a new truck next year though, 12t,60mph limiter and only two lanes most of the time :(
i dont mind having tool bars and paying ?3 go on but i refuse to pay ?1.50 a mile and if that happens i will simply not drive ill sell my car.
Aragorn
12-06-05, 11:51 PM
what annoys me about lorries is this:
they are limited to 56mph and all have about a million bhp and 5million torques :P
im pretty damn sure most of them could get to 56mph and stay there unless they are confronted with a large hill
so why the fuck do lorries need to overtake other lorries EVER?
its wankers in lorries sitting at 51mph that mean the rest of the truckers doing 56 want to overtake them, then when they start to pass the wanker speeds up to 56 and both trucks sit side by side for about 5 miles before a hill comes along and the one with the heaviest load slows down/speeds up depending on the gradient
the idea of pay per mile in principle will work well imo, if idiots who keep banging on about ?1.50 a mile shut up and read the bloody info they'll realise that charge is only for the busiest stretches of road at the busiest times of day ever
its an absolute maximum, not a bloody average
I dont think its got anything to do with a twat doing 51 instead of 56, its like speedometers, different companys tacho's are going to be callibrated more accurately than others, therefore one truck might do 54 flat out, when another does 60, even though the tacho's set to 56. Also, continental lorries are on different restrictions too arnt they?? Also, the slipstreaming effect from lorries is quite prominent isnt it, thats why they slow down when theyre overtaking?? (correct me if im wrong??)
I have to admit that i get peed off when you come to the bottom of a steep hill on a duel carriageway, and thats when the lorry decides to overtake the other lorry, so you have to sit at 40 while they crawl up side by side! I swear some of them do it on purpose!! :lol: :lol:
Aragorn
13-06-05, 12:58 AM
they do
so why the fcuk do lorries need to overtake other lorries EVER?
depends on load weight if i've got a lorry with a 24 tonne load on and you're trailer is empty you'll go faster on pick up
forign trucks dont have limiters IIRC, maybe wrong
Matt2107
13-06-05, 01:15 PM
Think what happened when Tony Blair got mixed up in the petrol crisis....... Chaos.
It'll be career suicide for anyone wishing to try and push pay per mile through.
forign trucks dont have limiters IIRC, maybe wrong
some do, most don't irish ones don't and can be seen over taking cars on most roads most of the ones i ran were 380bhp but you can get them with over 600!
cabs by themselves are fairly nippy off the lights
truck racing is great :wink:
intresting fact: if you take off the 5th wheel (bit where the trailer connects) you could drive one on a licence with 7.5t entitlement
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