Back from being fixed (pics)

[scott.parker]

Well as some of you might know my cars gone off to be repaired, last weekend i had time to take the nova out for a spin and while out i whent to overtake a few lorrys and as i whent to change from 3rd to 4th i droped it into 2nd @90mph :roll: think its just a few bent valves,wont know till latter in the week.. I blame the fact that i have been driving the 205 van so much i got used to the verry wide spaceing of the gears,where as my GSi is verry close.

All i have to do is keep my fingers crossed now and hope for the best,while in the garage for the work i am also getting a full set of TAS engine mounts added (cheers padge :wink: )
also my front spax coilovers that i have had for ages :lol:

Might have to order a LSD also i recon..

Scott

[ANDYRACER]

Unlucky mate. Hope its just the valves and nothing else.

[Rick Draper]

Might have to order a LSD also i recon..

Scott

Sorry to hear about that, its going to need some new valves and some valve guides at the very least then. Not that bigger job really though.

For the LSD Steveboyslim off mig does them at a very good price. I have just ordered one from him for my F28 and its ?460 + ?25 Delivery which is a very very good price. IIRC a F20 diff from him is the same price.

[peester]

mines got a rev limiter for any blonde moments... :?

[DazK]

Rev limiter's only work up the gears not down them.

[nova---chris]

Yes the engine can still over run even with a limiter im afriad.
Think of it like this. Doing 70mph in 4th. then you select 2nd. imagine the rpm you would be pulling put your limiter wont help you in this situation.
It cant physically halt the wheels.


Good luck with the fix to scott!

:lol: :wink:

[scott.parker]

mines got a rev limiter for any blonde moments... :?

LOL as daz said,it dosent work like that mate,think about it your engine is already reving higher at that piont in 3rd then it can rev to in 2nd,so i guess your cranck turns quicker then the cam is,and would mean it would be out of time,so bang bent valves!

Im probably wrong im just guessing it :lol:

Scott

[kevster]

sorry to here about that mate hope you dont have to wait tolong 8)

[m.d.]

lucky you only bent valves mate. ive seen rods thro blocks through doing this. hope its not too expensive a repair bill

[Chris@Mcfc]

Did The Same To Mine A While Ago..

Except From 2nd To 3rd I Dropped It Into 1st!! Think I Bent A Few Valves So I Just Replaced The Head..

[Nick]

into first...

i wouldn't have thought it'd mesh into 1st.

even when crawling along it's a bit reluctant to let me put it into first.

[Philsutton]

opps, so what sort of rpm did the engine reach lol. Hope you get it sorted soon

[Aragorn]

its difficult becuase the synchros trying to spin the input shaft upto the new RPM for the gear your trying to select

top end of 2nd into 1st would be around 12krpm and it takes a lot of effort for the synchro to get the input shaft and clutch plate upto 12krpm

but if u push it hard enough it will eventually engage and if u let the clutch up the transmission/wheels/momentum spins the engine upto 12krpm too

its normally nothing to do with the cam not keeping up, its the actual valves themselves, they havent enough spring force to close intime for the piston coming upwards so the piston hits them, at first thats alright to an extent - piston will simply push the valve, but then the lifters overpressureise too and stop the valves from closing fully which is when everything bends

the head rebuilt isnt going to be cheap

your talking 16 valves, 16 guides and machining costs, was about 200quid to have new guides fitted to my 16v head and that was reusing the old valves and not counting any reassembly costs

mine totalled nearly ?750 for replacing valve guides, piston rings and shells with them doing all the work

[krobinson]

Its not a good engine time for Novaload..

Thats 3 of us now!!

Hope you get it all sorted soon scott!

Keith

[Snowface]

its about ?15-20 just for 1 new valve, and thats not from Vaux.

might be cheaper seing as you are getting 16 at once.


unlucky though.

[krobinson]

its about ?15-20 just for 1 new valve, and thats not from Vaux.

might be cheaper seing as you are getting 16 at once.


unlucky though.

At my local vaux you'd be lucky to get 5p discount! It took them 5 months to refund me for the dodgy hydralic tappets!

Keith

[benji]

unlucky scott. it might be cheaper to get a complete 2nd hand head.

do you still have the gsi engine and box? how much silver do i need to cross your palm with?

[scott.parker]

Guys i havent any idea what damage is done yet to the head,if there is any,so till i know im not orrdering any parts..and a nice person has offerd a full XE head with valves in,so i shell be ok :wink:

benji if you want the old 1.6 8v mate ask andy bishop as its still at his house,closer for you also,we can talk about it later.

Scott

[Snowface]

Made your desicion on what sort of engine to go for benji?
Glad your still standing in the small block corner if that's the case.

[Riggy]

as said on phone mate really sorry to hear about it :cry:

but if you do need the head then all it is is a phone call away mate :lol: hope you sort it soon

[benji]

Made your desicion on what sort of engine to go for benji?
Glad your still standing in the small block corner if that's the case.

it's not that mate. i want scott's engine for the gte i have up the road, the current engine is a bit smokey. and i want the gearbox for mine.

i will eventually be after a 1600 16v. but not for a while

[dhdev (Oli)]

Unlucky mate, as keith said thats another one in the club :)

[scott.parker]

" UPDATE"

Just found out i have no compresion in 3 and 4,and i have bent five valves :?

The guy is giving the head a good look over to see if there is any more damage done(friggin touching wood "and cloth") :roll:

So might still need to change the head yet,hope not though..

Scott

[Riggy]

ill whip my spare of on weekend then mate :wink:

[scott.parker]

ill whip my spare of on weekend then mate :wink:

Nice one,i will be intouch mate :wink:

Scott

[scott.parker]

Well spoke again to jase today he has sen the head off to a local head/engine work shop to have the work done,so its all new valves and guides etc,while the head is out the TAS mounts are getting fitted and alos are the front spax coilovers..

Also as a a mate of mine has almost got his nova turbo convertion finished(pics will follow once compleat) we are going to place a bulk order for some parts such as fly wheels and LSD diffs etc,so shell be back better verry soon i hope :wink:

Will update again once i know more.

Scott

[SKoob]

" UPDATE"
(friggin touching cloth)

lol :lol:

[scott.parker]

Got the car back from jase late lastnight'early morning,felt a bit bad as the rebuilders had been late getting the head back he worked on it all night last night(was his birthday as well) he finished it cus hes off for the weekend today and i want it for the vaux speed show day on monday.

Well back to what happend on the car,first off i bent five inlet valves and four exhaust valves,and also spilt/cracked most of the guides,they wer quite jamed in..

So i have had a full set of new valves and guides put in,pluss the head builders told him i had some how at some point warped the head slightly(think that was when i split my pipe that time)
so they gave it a 1/15 of an inch skim to sort that,and also they had to fix some of the water pockets as they wer very thin and close to failing and that would ment new head,or same work etc,strange though as i though i had this done the first time..

So affter all that the head was ?500 to fix.
Then i also had jase add in the TAS engine mounts(friggin car vibrate like a mofo) :twisted:
had to fiddle them in to fit,dont think he likes them :? also had to cut the underside of bonnet to get it to close,
and also fitted the front spax coilovers,so now the engine is solid no more moving round like a boat at sea,and the coilovers have mad 100% better on the handling its so shap it will take time to get use to no understeer..

Right time for pics..

Slight bent valves but enough to stick and smash the guides..
http://img220.echo.cx/img220/2657/picture7330ye.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img220.echo.cx/img220/6751/picture7320kv.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Adding TAS mounts made it so i could keep the heater matrix plumbed in,it move so much more foward its got loads of room..

Before..
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/9520/picture3781fu.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Affter..
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2397/picture7197xd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/33/picture723small7nl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Bit close to the rad now but i will live with it for now..
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/8755/picture7203gr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Also had this outlet to the heater replaced as it was fcuked..
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/586/picture385small3pd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Carnt quite see it in this pic though it sticks out more as they made the new one longer..
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/8404/picture724small9ih.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

The cut out made to underside of bonnet to alow for lift from TAS mounts,will get it made more attractive at later date.. :lol:
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/8493/picture726small4al.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Now for the smart part..

Before coilovers on front.

http://img228.echo.cx/img228/1729/sideoncutedit9nx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img231.echo.cx/img231/3417/picture438smalledit4gx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Affter

http://img247.echo.cx/img247/9165/picture7276xc.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Speedlines in the arch now :o :lol:
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/4006/picture7292si.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

right all i need to do now is pay for it all,then get my self a diff and some other goodies :wink:

Big thanks to jason from JR motorsport for staying at work all night to sort it for me,grate bloke and good at his job.

Scott

[NovaloadedAgain]

Looking good mate, Thats a result getting back so quick-Wasnt too long really.

[scott.parker]

Looking good mate, Thats a result getting back so quick-Wasnt too long really.

Well i asked jason if he could do it by this weekend he took the car of to fix it on the friday 18th so hes done a turn around in that time,even if he was working on it lastnight at daft o'clock..

Well just been out in her for a afew hrs,i need a C spanner soon as,them fronts must come up they are catching on the arch on full lock at slow speed,pluss i want it slighly higher for it to handle better.

The TAS mounts wer a barging and i think if your nova is a second car etc they are a must,as i now have no movement in the engine bay a t all and the cars response to throttle is amazing it just pickes up and flys like buggery,all i can say is solid mounts and coilovers are the future..DO IT..

Scott

[m.d.]

i had to do that to my bonnet when i fitted my hardened mounts. makes no difference really tho and as you said its worth it for the extra rigidity

[scott.parker]

i had to do that to my bonnet when i fitted my hardened mounts. makes no difference really tho and as you said its worth it for the extra rigidity

yeah and the mount on the front left there had already had a 1 inch box section steel spacer made for it,but needed slightly more lowering with spacers and then the bonnet cut,but as said im so glad i have done it now,ok the vibration is hardcore but it makes for more of a race feel :lol:

Im so happy with the car now carnt wait to try it out on track now. :P

Scott

[srs1]

i told you solid mounts were better scott.

glad the car is back now and running good for you again.
just remember.
"be aware of trucks"
there dangerous lol

[scott.parker]

just remember.
"be aware of trucks"
there dangerous lol

no im dangerous affter driving the van too much! :lol:

Cheers mate,yeah they have made it so much more resposive,and zero understeer is scary to get you head round affter so long compensating for it..

Scott

[srs1]

i'll be in the same boat as you soon too.
i should be getting some coil overs soon now.
:D

it is such a wierd feeling thou, you plant your foot down and the front end almost drags the rest of the car behind it (thinking along cartoon scetch scene)
but it is more better to drive, just wait till you start to hit a few bumps, the whole front end just seems to lift off and slam down hard.

[Philsutton]

you should find the car handles a bit better with those mounts, well at least it wont be denting the rad any more lol

[scott.parker]

you should find the car handles a bit better with those mounts, well at least it wont be denting the rad any more lol


Yeah i recon they have improved the handling also.

On the other mounts mine was so far back it never got near the rad.lol now its tucked up so close to it its gave rome for the heater pipes to go back on,and it wont move back on to it now :lol: :D

Scott

[Philsutton]

bet you had a nice dent in your bulk head then if it was sitting far back

[scott.parker]

bet you had a nice dent in your bulk head then if it was sitting far back

no mate i had the power cap n didnt i.

Scott

[Philsutton]

no its normally the inlet manifld itself that hits it, i think

[Riggy]

nice one mate as said this morning glad its all sorted :lol:

[Jim]

Cheers mate,yeah they have made it so much more resposive,and zero understeer is scary to get you head round affter so long compensating for it..

You're not driving it hard enough then :P

Jim

[scott.parker]

Cheers mate,yeah they have made it so much more resposive,and zero understeer is scary to get you head round affter so long compensating for it..

You're not driving it hard enough then :P

Jim

No your right im not yet anyway mate,will take it easy till im use to it then get the feel on track where i can push a bit harder under controled suroundings..

Scott

[Aragorn]

dont u find u now have a stupid amount of chassis vibrations with the TAS mounts?

when i compare my car with TAS to my bro's car with std vaux mounts his is sooo much nicer to drive, mine rattles and vibrates every bloody component in the damn car whereas his seems luxurious in comparison even tho he has rock hard coilovers and mine has soggy shite suspension

i'll be swapping my mounts out for tigerseal filled vaux ones in an attempt to soften things up a little bit but keep the slop to a low level as possible

[scott.parker]

Yeah but the mounts i had in mine before wer wank,the guy gave me them back and said look at this,on two of them they had basicaly been ripped appart :lol:

As for vibration,oh yes loads of it,i think its ace as i now know its not moving at all,but if your nova is every day car i wouldnt recomend them as they are hardcore,but as its not my evey day car i love them :lol:
and as for the coilovers,well i though the koni shok and spring was a good set up :roll: coilovers all the way now IMO.

Scott

[srs1]

well my car is a every day car.
it has even harder mounts then the tas ones.
and to say the least its a hard ride, well, you get used to it.

try doing what i have done then, race polys up front and also welded up the lower arms to make it even more stiffer.

and yes, its still an every day use car.

at the end of it all.
each to there own.

[Philsutton]

mine is an everyday car as well an i dont have a lot of things that you people like for your comforts either.

[srs1]

like a washer bottle then?

[Riggy]

or a heater :lol:






or even a dash :wink: :lol:

[Philsutton]

or a row of fat birds on the rear seats that most novas seem to have

[srs1]

atleast ours dont have sign posts in them either, or remains of saxo's stuck to them.

lmao

[scott.parker]

welded up the lower arms to make it even more stiffer.

and yes, its still an every day use car.

at the end of it all.
each to there own.

Like this??

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/2382/valverconvertion116edit9ny.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

:wink:

Scott

[benji]

scott, how thick it that plate?

[m.d.]

i did mine with 1.2mm thick steel and was perfect. but tbh it does not even need to be that thick really as there is enough strength there anyway so your just stopping the twist that you get.

[srs1]

exactly like that scott. i have polys on mine and there all painted in black hammerite

[DISCO GSI]

DO YOU NOT NEED TO DRILL TWO HOLES IN THE PLATE SO YOU CAN BOLT THE BALL JOINT ON ?

[paul-nova]

i too did the same, 2nd to 3rd but accidentally put it into 1st at55mph, bruises to my head from smackin dash etc..

it bent valves, cracked valve guides, damaged valve stem oil seals, head needed preassure tested and skimmed! most of work i did but it cost me 150for new valve guides, preassure test and skimming!

i had the ball ache job of grindin all 8 new valves in!! good luck wiv it mate

[srs1]

theres a pic of my arms for you scott

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/sean_srs/wip/DSCF0017.jpg