View Full Version : F.o.r.d........... Ford Owners, Respect Due.
Right, I'm a die hard Nova fan, and not much other Vaux's though, but has anyone seen the Cover on Performance Ford this Month?
Its got a 779bhp RWD Sierra Cossie on it. Now some might dissagree, but thats fxcking Mental hi!! 779bhp to the rear wheels? I've driven a 350bhp Saphire and it was a Handful, and this has more than twice the power!!
Not only that, but they've a 460bhp, FWD Fiesta as well. It does 179.8mph top end. Thats Porche and Ferrari Performance. Imagine, cruising at 150mph in your Ferarri and being over taken by a Ford Fiesta, and not getting to catch it...
I'm sorry folks, but those Ford owners are due all our respect.
ive seen the one your on about its an ex rs500 touring car i beleave
Some Fords are quality.
The chap at the local garage is building a XE powered Mk2 Escort rally car, he's spent about 5k+ on building the engine, he's Rebuilt all the Suspension turrets and put a homemade wide arch kit on it.
I believe it shall be very rapid once done.
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 08:53 PM
I do respect some fords its just the crappy chav style fiestas and escorts that i don't like. But i love cossie and rs turbos there really nice cars.
now thats some power might have to buy that this month
but that's the same with anything
half the vauxhalls in the uk are Firbeglass clad peices of rubbish.
Ya, x touring car with an Ex F1 car Turbo on it. There's loads of Mk2 Escorts running XE's over here, i sold a MK3 Escort Shell to a local man here and he's made it into a G3 with an XE with Twin 48's and god only knows what else on it....... Thee XE'd MK2 Escorts go for upto ?30,000 Stg over here and thats no sh1t either.
old fords are great, especailly the mk1 :D escort
Exactly why he's doing it dodsham, you;ve hit the nail on the head
There are people queing up to buy it, all over ?20k offers...
I do rather much like the sound of the Jenvey Throttle bodies on it :-D
Philsutton
15-03-05, 08:58 PM
you cant beat a mk2 escort only ford id have, plus the rs500's are rather nice as well.
or one of these beauty's RS1700T
http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/images/cars/rs1700tb.jpg
http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/images/cars/rs1700tf.jpg
http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/images/cars/rs1700tr.jpg
Works came with a nice 350bhp, 0-60 in a smidgin under 4.0 seconds.
most of them were crushed.
MK2's are the future. They'll never die. Seriously, 30yrs on the go and they're still competing and winning. Its a winnning combo. Buy a Mk2 Shell, a 2.0 Mondeo, an old 1800 Sierra G.Box, spend ?1000 on the Engine and you''re running 250-300bhp. The MK2's were made so that the best of the new Fords would bolt straight onto them. Seriously, there's nothing, even egenuine parts, that you cant get for the MK2, you can even get the Body Shells brand new now as well!!
the rs1700t's were rear wheel drive wern't they??
The RS1700t was to Replace the MK2 BDa powered car. It had a BDX, a turbo'd version of the MK2's engine. It was to replace the MK2 in a feat to take on the Audi Quatro's, Stratoes, VArious 400's from Vauxhall, but then everyone started building 4x4's so the RS1700 was deemed useless compaired to its rivels..... Roll on the RS200!!! Yippee!!
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 09:26 PM
bloody hell neva seen one of those rs1700t b4. That looks quality. :D
nathan.
15-03-05, 09:44 PM
mark 2's are awesome, my mates got one with a rwd cossie engine running 310bhp. its an animal.
My favourate alltime ford still has to be the allmighty RS200.
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 09:45 PM
Yeh the rs200 was one hell of a car.
nathan.
15-03-05, 09:47 PM
they did 0-60 in about 4 seconds and thats with 3 seconds worth of turbo lag. :lol: :lol:
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 09:49 PM
Wat was the engine size in them?
nathan.
15-03-05, 09:52 PM
1.8 16v
The RS1700t was to Replace the MK2 BDa powered car. It had a BDX, a turbo'd version of the MK2's engine. It was to replace the MK2 in a feat to take on the Audi Quatro's, Stratoes, VArious 400's from Vauxhall, but then everyone started building 4x4's so the RS1700 was deemed useless compaired to its rivels..... Roll on the RS200!!! Yippee!!
yes it was to replace the mk2 rally... but
When Ford was bought by an american company , maybe it was GM ? not sure.. Basically the RS1700T was produced as a road car, with slightly les BHP, very very fast still. It was rivalling the Take-over companies own production cars so they scrapped it, and crushed all the Examples they could legitamitly crush.
So the only ones around are ones people bought, or the odd one or two they saved.
I don't know if it was RWD, i think it was, but it's a truely insane car.
Ooooh and the legendary quattro.. nothing could beat that so they banend it.
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 09:53 PM
Was that it wat sort of bhp were they running and was it one turbo or two?
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/autodarally/images_rally/b_audi_quattro_s1_14.jpg
i desperatly want to own one of these....
nathan.
15-03-05, 09:56 PM
Was that it wat sort of bhp were they running and was it one turbo or two?
have a look at this website mate.
http://www.preromanbritain.com/gwem/martbean/rs200/
Was that it wat sort of bhp were they running and was it one turbo or two?
LOL - Check this out for a 1.8 then....
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/autodarally/images_rally/b_lancia_delta.s4_11.jpg
it may look like the elephany man, but that's nearly 500bhp. Guess what aspiration it was ?
When Ford was bought by an american company , maybe it was GM ? not sure
lmfao..
ford bought out by GM... is that like the french Fiat Bravo's?
Phil
they were bought by someone, and they ceased the 1700T production, i will find the company now
Ford WRC operations were partially bought out by an american company, or funded something like that, it doesn't actually say whom. I don't know why i said GM lol...
Anyways, they forced them to scrap the project. As it would have rivalled their production cars
ANDYRACER
15-03-05, 10:12 PM
Nick wtf is that?
Nick wtf is that?
Boost could be as high as over 600bhp and Henri Toivenen lapped the portugese F1Gp track that year in a time quick enough to secure 6th on the Gp F1 grid!
That's the car that banned Group B rallying lol
Lancia then made a Delta Twinturbo that had something nearing 700bhp, for group S rallying, but then the S4 Got group B, and Prospective group S completly banned. so they had to scrap that idea lol
The RS1700T was a car born at the wrong moment. It was developed for two years by Ford Germany and Malcolm Wilson (My boss !) and was intended to be a replacement for the extremely successful Mk2 Escort. However, just as development was nearing completion and a few examples were in testing, Audi brought out the 4wd Quattro's and killed the project stone dead. It was sold to Ford South Africa and as the articles you have linked to state, most of the cars were crushed.
In fact, only 2 remain.
The first is a replica of the original RS1700T rally car and is now at Ford Europe HQ. The second is a standard road car in metallic blue and is in our museum at M-sport
nick im sorry but i hate you, you've made me love this car again. i will build a replica one day
ahh that's not the story i read about it...
Anyhow... it's a smashing little car lol...
but im not sure if 0-60 in under 4 is quick enough ?
why what story have you read
that some part of ford operations/project stuff was invested into or bought into by some american Car company, and they forced the Death of the RS1700T, convinently at the same time as a Group B Stopped.
Hence no use for the car except for production (was still fast), but it was too much of an awesome car so they crushed all the ones they could.
that came from a member of the RSTurbo OC
the story ive heard is they were in the testing stage of its development when audi brought out the quatro so ford ditched the rs1700t project as it was only rear wheel drive and built the rs200 instead. what is annoying is alot of people seem to think they ditched the rs1700t cos it was crap which isn't the case at all
ahh well, it was intended for Group B to beat the delta i think, so it can hardly have been crap, as the delta won 25 championships
but then the 205T16 and QS1 killed that idea, then the S4 spoiled the fun for everyone
i find this amusing
http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/bx/bx4tc.jpg
http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/bx/bx4tcar.jpg
Number of cylinders 4 in line
Cubic capacity 2 141 cm3
Bore and stroke 91,4 x 81,6 mm
Compression ratio 7 : 1
Maximum power 200 bhp @ 5 250 rpm
Maximum torque 30 mkg @ 2 750 rpm
Transmission 4 wheel drive via Citro?n SM 5 speed gearbox
Suspension Hydropneumatic
Brakes Front and rear discs
Length 4 512 cm
Width 1 830 cm
Wheelbase 2 612 cm
Front track 1 548 cm
Rear track 1 548 cm
Weight 1 280 kg
Maximum speed 220 kph / 136 mph
0 - 100 kph / 62 mph 7,5 seconds
argh i used to have a toy car of that when i was younger, ! what is it ?
a BX ?
7.5 is Pityfull, but the New Citroen Rally are awesome.
yes it is a bx altho i have just done more research and found the bx 4tc evo which develops 350bhp instead of 200 :) happy days
Not only that, but they've a 460bhp, FWD Fiesta as well. It does 179.8mph top end. Thats Porche and Ferrari Performance. Imagine, cruising at 150mph in your Ferarri and being over taken by a Ford Fiesta, and not getting to catch it....
Then imagine a certain red Nova overtaking that Fiesta............
You lot will like this one once its finished then :D
We hope to be giving it, its maiden voyage at Combe in April. See that vacant space where an engine should go? We've sourced a 360+ bhp lump to go in there :twisted: But....It won't be running that much at Combe. Well not at the start of the day anyway.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/DSC03019Small.jpg
Austin_Nova16
16-03-05, 10:10 AM
Fords do rock. Espacially escorts! Lovely Dar!
'Classic Ford' is blatently the best may out, then 'Passion Ford'.
I've also got couple of lil ford projects on the go aswell. A mid engined S1 escort and a cossie managed 1.9rst. All good!
hendrix
16-03-05, 10:33 AM
my cousin used to rally mk1 and mk2 escorts, let me have a go in it, its mental. got a hand brake thing that works the opposite way where u have to push the button to pull it on, guess it makes hand braking easier. anyway its fully stripped out with roll cage etc, not sure on the engine, think its a 1.6.
i have to say id like a capri or a mk1/mk2 granada slammed propper pimp stylee (lol) :lol:
that RS1700T is nuts, iv never actually seen one before.
mk 1 and 2 escorts are well good, my mate in devon has got a mk2, he baught it off a guy that had it featured in classic ford, when he baught it he stripped it, caged it the works, its a proper rally car, it a pint in it when he took me out in it and it was well quick but he should have a rover V8 in it now.
then his dad has got an mk3 escort van with a 450bhp cossie engine in it.
theres loads escorts down there, RSturbos, mk 1, mk2, vans and there all well quick.
i might buy a mk1 or 2 soon and do it up. there well good!!
hmmm you've got me started on this monster again :-)
http://www.situne.no/index.php?id=101
download the video's, it's absolutly stunning, and the Electronics side of it all... i think they deserve "nerd of the year"
Not only that, but they've a 460bhp, FWD Fiesta as well. It does 179.8mph top end. Thats Porche and Ferrari Performance. Imagine, cruising at 150mph in your Ferarri and being over taken by a Ford Fiesta, and not getting to catch it....
Then imagine a certain red Nova overtaking that Fiesta............
lol here here :lol:
the imagine a certain whtie nova overtaking that red nova
ive already got the vids of that bike engined escort nick, its fapping crazy and sounds awesome. dar thats a very nice escort you have there, you said you have a 350bhp engine for it but what make is it ???
That Escort isn't mine :( but I reckon i've done about twice as much work on it than I have my Nova. Its a mates car that where building in my garage. The engine will be a cosworth jobbie. We where going to be putting in a 2l Zetec turbo but we have encountered a few problems on the way and they wouldn't have been sorted before Combe. Then this cossie lump appeared and we thought that'll do :P
jon_boy
16-03-05, 07:36 PM
Fords are pretty cool. im building a 2l zetec tubo for mine soon (mk6 escort). SHould be fun. One of my lecturers done the live mapping for the original RS turbo in germany. Apparently it shocked a few bmw drivers on the autobahn!! Went up for night at the ace cafe there was a mk2 with a rs500 engine in, amongst other stupid things. Oh and they made a prototype cosworth mk4 escort as well that looks like the 1700t. but 4 wheel drive
I'm feeling left out - i seem to be about the only one on here who hasn't got a MK2 Escort project on the go! :lol:
However I don't feel too bad being as my dad whose in his seventies still has his original MK1 Lotus Cortina that he bought in 1964. The one that really started it all for performance Fords in the UK - its been a remarkably successful strategy for Ford through the years.
A lot of respect should be given to Fords, overall most fords have a lot of potential if your willing to spend a bit on them, like anything i suppose but with the Cosworth engine installed in anything the potential is massive, I have got loads of footage of these cars from Norway and they dont just show them, they use them properly, here is some pics of my favourite cossy at the mo,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/norway.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/wrc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/wrc205.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/stian.jpg
oh and on the subject of the RS200, a guy I know owns a x rallycross 780bhp RS200, now made road legal, haven't been in it yet, just spent many hours dribbling over it, makes me very jealous,
I'm feeling left out - i seem to be about the only one on here who hasn't got a MK2 Escort project on the go! :lol:
I've also got one on the go, ;) what was the x revs project car, but after the re shell it will be a totally different car, I've got a 350bhp engine to go in that, should be lively enough like that for a while
fuck me sideways and call me barney, that cossie is mental
the escort was ace mite have to style one like it
Some video clips for you of the norweigan escort cossy and mk2 escort with no grip ever lol
http://www.maniac-racers.com/images/HafsengenWRC.mpg 35meg
http://www.cruiseculture.net/videos/tangobroadside.wm
more videos I've posted can be found at www.turbo-nutters.co.uk
look on the main page and in the forums for more clips ;)
yer that bike engined escort is nuts.
i downloaded the video of the escort on turbo-nutters ages ago. you get some pretty mad vids on there.
NovaloadedAgain
17-03-05, 02:54 PM
Yeah I had a mark one escort 1300! Lol, Looked like a RS 2000, & my friends dad has an RS 1600 mexico mark one in lime green! Lol and a bright pale blue original RS 2000. They go for about 12k now!
Unfortunately my friend Peter's Escort van F-Reg featured in fast ford a few months back, Purple metallic, cosworth engined, got torched by some tw*t yesterday. 8k engine! That was running 160mph without straining.
jon_boy
17-03-05, 03:04 PM
ive got a mag that features that blue cossie from norway!! 623lb/ft torque!! They couldnt quote the bhp cos its illegal in that country or summin but bugger me!! A F1 turbo on the bad boy, custom made carbon fibre inlet manifold......
~~joycey~~
17-03-05, 04:41 PM
a friend of mine has a black sierra rs500 for sale, 18 grand
any takers? :lol:
Ste_Nova
17-03-05, 04:50 PM
a friend of mine has a black sierra rs500 for sale, 18 grand
any takers? :lol:
rather have a white one
Ooooh and the legendary quattro.. nothing could beat that so they banend it.
Forgetting the 037 and 205 T16 then? :wink:
It held the Pikes peak record until a 405 T16 came along and whooped it lol.
Quattros were heavy and handled like dogs...
But sounded like nothing else on this planet !! with water cooled brakes to slow the bugger down.......lol. The Metro 6R4 was the loudest car of its time shame Gp B was killed off :cry:
Good old days of rallying !!
heres a good pic of the internals of the Quattro
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://silkrallyradio.biz/images/6r4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://silkrallyradio.biz/drawings.htm&h=427&w=578&sz=53&tbnid=1bTNnwxdTD0J:&tbnh=97&tbnw=131&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmetro%2B6r4%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D sorry bout the huge url.......lol
Heres a rare image of the development 6R4 :)
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1010/101067_3mg.jpg
The 6r4 is still Ralling over here although they are restricted to the Rallys they can do, simply because they're too noisey.
Truely, Fords are Insane cars with potential to do pretty much anything....
Oh and for all you Mk2 lovers, there ;lives a 720bhp, Mk2 RWD Escort in Norway, it is undescribable!!!
I also have a vid of that mk2, is it the vs motor one, black ?? drifts the whole rudeskogen circuit, crazy as
do you have a link to that vid? I'd love to have a look :D
Opps Sorry :oops: went to post somthing and decided against it.
www.rsownersclub.co.uk look under videos on the main page, I'm quite sure thats where I got it from its about a 3.5min video, properly shows off how to use 600 bhp
http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/video/mk2.wmv
thats the clip, now who ever said fords were shite ;)
bloody awesome clip
Nice one mate !! Thanks for that :wink:
That car's Absolutley NUTS..... but I like Fords & Vauxhalls the same :wink:
well in sweeden there lives a 620bhp nova lol
i have the video link if anyone wants it.
yep firges sport nova,
can also be seen on Turbo nutters
its one awesome bit of kit that
OOOO......you got a link to that vid? :P
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