making a 2.0l 16v nova handle well

[benji]

as above. how well can they be made to handle? will a 200bhp 2.0l 16v be quicker round a track than a 160bhp 1600 16v, assuming both had pretty sorted supension?

cheers

ben.

[david dixon]

That depends on how many bends there are on the track and big your balls are! a 200bhp valver would leave a 160 1.6 16v for dead, I know i had a tuned valver and a 16 wouldn't come near! its not just power its torque thats needed and a valver with carbs and a decent set of cams will make loads of torque!
Get some coilovers, a full set of polly bushes, front camber kit and have pltes welded onto your bottom arms, 45 series tires and if your valver doesn't handle i'll eat my hat! :D

[nathan.]

A 1.6 16v would handle alot better than 2.0ltr definatly. 2ltr are very heavy lumps, they cause alot of understeer.

Ive just fitted a 2ltr to my mates corsa, it previously was a gsi (1.6 16v) it dosen't handle as good as it used to.

go for a 1.6 16v

[Philsutton]

corsas are over weight to start with though

[nathan.]

yeah they are over weight, but it handled well before. im not slagging 2 ltrs off, i'd love one, but for a trackday i think a 1.6 would be better imo.

[benji]

by bottom arm you mean track contol arms?

[david dixon]

No i mean the bottom arm from the chassis to the ball joint, just copy of the corsa arm's! it tightens them up!

[peester]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/peester/bloodoutof.jpg

[Riggy]

pmsl :lol: :lol:

there not that bad lol

but agreed it does take alot more work to get to handle aswell as a smaller block

[epo]

you going the valver route now ben?

[benji]

dunno yet, i'll run mine how it is until it dies then rebuild/upgrade.

although i could do with deciding so i can buy a diff

[epo]

the good thing about the 1.4 is the cheap tax

[m.d.]

the valver will never handle as well as a small block motor. its just way to heavy over the front wheels.

it will be quicker after the corners but thro them there is just too much under steer. a diff will help massively tho.

id personally go for a baby valver as 200 bhp is acheavable with simmilar mods to the ones you would have to do to the 2.0. and they handle sooooooo much better. so with a slipper they would be awsome

[Stuart]

No i mean the bottom arm from the chassis to the ball joint, just copy of the corsa arm's! it tightens them up!


so thats a yes to bneji asking its is the Track Control Arms lol

[justnovas]

you need to weld up the engine bay..and coilovers and comp engine mount stop the engine from twisting when putting the power down coming out the bend.
I don't like to plate the TCA's, have you seen a corsa after it has hit a curb???

[Snowface]

would a 1.6 16v cost more to tune than a 2.0 16v?

I.e. you can fit a carb setup fairly easily by using a 2.0 8v dizzy, to get cheapish gains.

Can you fit carb's to 1.6 16v's as easy? TB's are gonna be a lot more than carb's.

If you could fit carb's then I guess T40's will do for em, rather than 45's.

So you would save quite a bit seeing as you alread got 40's.

[benji]

that's what i was thinking. my 40's and a dizzy. what power would that make? 165?

[Will F]

baby valvers do cost a bit more to tune, but that is due to the fact that there arent that many around and 2nd hand (performance) parts are quite rare.
45s are a much better option for the 1.6, and with the right management you should see 155 with just carbs and decent manifold.

btw, on the handling issue, I have both cars and I MUCH prefer driving the 1600. Thats my personal taste though. Why not go for a spin in both and decide?

[Austin_Nova16]

With a stiff chassis (stitch welded throughout - not just the bay) and full cage with decent suspension on the front and back, with all the other bits and bobs, it should handle well.

I remember going out on the track at Trax 2003, and there there so many road trim XE's and turbo's, which I flew past because of a more healthy set-up. Far more speed out of the corners and more speed in.

[Snowface]

so is it easy enough to put a dizzy onto a 1.6 head? as i've heard its hard to do on the 1.4 16v head.

i though all the small block 16v engines used a dispack?

[david dixon]

Never tuned a one yet but i'm sure you'll not be able to use a dizzy on a origanly coil packed engine, you'll probably have to use a 2 or 3D ignition system! but dont take this as 100%

[benji]

which dizzy is it that fit's the 2.0 16v?

the small xe's need mappable ignition, or a dizzy running from the cam pulley

[david dixon]

I used a dizzy from a early cav, think it was a 1.8 verijet engine.

[Philsutton]

im using a 1.6 cav dizzy on mine

[benji]

anyone know wherei can get a cheapinlet manifold for a set of 40's

[Custom_Calibra_Nova]

any 2.0l 16v conversion needs serious weight in the back to keep it on the road.

[Philsutton]

mine hasnt any weight in at all but i can still through it round corners without it stepping out, it all depends how you go into the corner in the first place

[Custom_Calibra_Nova]

thats true enuf mate, driver competance makes a world of difference. i stand corrected.

[Snowface]

anyone know wherei can get a cheapinlet manifold for a set of 40's

www.tuning.co.uk.

or if you want cheaper keep ur eye on ebay.