what do i need before i get power steering fitted ?

[DEATHCAT]

i am gonna get a machanic to fit it. but i need to get the parts first. what d i need ?

[dooooney]

id like 2 no as well as you need armstrong stering to turn the car somtimes lol :lol: :silly:

[General Baxter]

:roll:

all you lot moaning about turning, its an old car its not ment to have PAS

if you wanted PAS you should have got a corsa or a saxo :wink:

its ment to be a challange, your just taking short cuts :lol:

or how about a few quid down the gym?

ill shut up now iv had a few :)

[m.d.]

lol, to be fare tho if you look at most competative rally cars they all have power steering as it reduces the lock and is faster around corners to correct mistakes and stops you getting your wrists broken when you hit a rock etc.......

[-Bruce-]

what m.d says is true.

i would have thought if your nova is hard to steer its probably because of the steering geometery not being set up correctly!! i have noticed this when driving other novas that they can differ alot. i would stick with non-PAS!!

bruce

[Riggy]

but if you still want it you need

most of the setup from a corsa iirc -which includes rack ,pump,alternator pully (double one) all pipework etc etc

i have seen it done on maybee two cars cant remeber which at the moment but its supposed to be a lot of work :D

[Dar]

I have a text doc that i've been saving just in-case I get the urge to do this to mine. Here it is. I didn't write it and can't remember where I got it from. Anyway here it is :)


Power Steering on a Nova

Right, for everyone who asked, and there were a lot of you, here's the
lowdown on fitting PAS to a Nova.

If you're prepared to cut into chassis rails, and fiddle about with belts
to drive power steering pumps, then I've no doubt it would be possible to
install a Corsa engine-driven PAS pump onto a Nova. Not only does that
seem like hard work, it saps a good deal of engine power. There is an
alternative - many modern cars are now fitted with electric power steering
- notably Peugeot's 106, Citroen's Saxo, Renault's Clio, and possibly
others I'm not yet aware of.

Before I start, bear in mind that I fitted mine onto a rally car, and
mounted the power steering pump INSIDE the car, underneath the co-drivers
feet. For a road car, fitting it there might not suit you, particularly
as it is quite a noisy little pump. Where you're going to find for it
under the bonnet of a 2.0 16V Nova I don't know, but it can at least be
mounted anyway up, so it might be feasible. The pump itself is
cylindrical, about 12" long, and around 5" diameter.

The parts you need, approximate prices and suppliers are :

1. Electric power steering pump from a Peugeot 106. I got mine from
'Power Steering Services' (01299 879281), a new one is about ?220, but
you might be lucky as they sometimes have lightly used ones available for
about ?160. I rang around a few scrapyards, but when I needed one, nobody
had one, but you should expect to pay around ?120 for one. I understand
that the electric PAS pump on a Citroen Saxo is the same, I've looked
under the bonnet and it appears identical, but don't come complaining to
me if it isn't. Make sure you get the wiring harness with the pump, and
ideally the mounting bracket, otherwise you'll have to make up your own
bracketry.

2. A set of power steering fluid pipes. Any competent hydraulic hose
supplier will make you these up to suit, and the lengths required will
obviously depend on where you site the pump. I was flash and got my pipes
supplied in kit form from Nick Runcie, who runs OMM Rally Team in
Scotland. He supplied proper Aeroquip hose, and all the unions for ?96
including delivery. If anyone wants the full address and telephone
number, I'll find it for them. Incidentally, Nick can supply the complete
kit of everything you need for to do the whole job for around ?500.

3. A power steering fluid reservoir. The Peugeot system is unusual in
that there is only one outlet (i.e. no return flow pipe to the reservoir).
If you buy from a scrapyard, try and get hold of the reservoir with its
associated pipe when you buy the pump. Otherwise, you can use any
reservoir you can find, but you'll have to close off the return pipe.
Again, I went over the top, and got a Bailey Motorsport alloy tank for an
Escort Cosworth, cut it in half to reduce its height, and welded it back
together, then had it anodised.

4. Power steering fluid (bit obvious this one). However, make sure you
get the right stuff for the Corsa rack - Castrol Dextron for example.

5. A Corsa power steering rack. I used a GSi one, obtained from Stu at
'Just Novas' for ?75 including delivery. Tigra ones are the same.

That's all the parts you require, the most important thing in fitting is
that the steering arms on the Corsa rack are too long, so have to be
shortened by about 1.5 inches each side, and re-threaded to take the track
rod ends. I got mine modified by the ever-helpful Ian Godney who runs
Godspeed Motorsport (01656 660899), Ian charged me about ?30 to cut and
machine the arms. I left it to a professional as he knows exactly how
much needs to be removed !

The rack bolts up using the normal Nova bulkhead fixings, and you can use
Nova or Corsa track rod ends.

You will have to enlarge the hole in the bulkhead where the steering rack
passes through quite significantly to accommodate the valve on the PAS
rack, bit of a trial and error job this one. Once the hole is enlarged
sufficiently, the Corsa rack will mate up with the standard Nova flexible
coupling at the base of the steering column. You'll need a bigger rubber
gasket to seal the hole you've now made, I've done mine with silicone
sealant, probably the best solution would be to get the correct Corsa
gasket.

As I've said, you'll need to find a suitable home for the pump, and it
needs substantial brackets to hold it in place, as it's running under high
pressure.

Provided you've got the wiring loom and relay that goes with the pump,
it's a simple wiring job, just a 12V supply and an earth connection to
wire in. I've wired mine so that the pump is running with the ignition
switched on, but you might want to do it so that the pump only works when
the engine is running. The pump is quite noisy, so if you end up mounting
it inside the car you might have to insulate it. However, I haven't
checked how hot it gets in running, so bear this in mind as otherwise it
might be a fire hazard.

Pipework is fairly straightfoward to install, how you run it will of
course depend on where you put the pump. Basically you've got a feed pipe
from the fluid reservoir to the pump, then a high pressure outlet from the
pump to the bigger of the 2 unions on the rack, then a return pipe from
the rack to the pump.

I mounted the reservoir on mine in the area where the wiring loom passes
throught the bulkhead on the passenger side. Fill the reservoir with
fluid, and then you need to bleed the system of air. As it's an electric
pump, you just need to switch the electrics on and off until the pump
stops making any 'bubbling' type noises. Make sure you've got no fluid
leaks anywhere, and that's the job done.

Obviously you'll need to get the tracking re-set.

The improvement this conversion makes is just amazing, it would be
impossible for me to go back to the manual steering now. It took me a
couple of days or so to do in total, but this was without knowing exactly
what had to be done. Hopefully with the aid of this guide it could be
achieved in a day, but I wouldn't suggest you contemplate it unless you're
pretty handy with the spanners. The risks of getting something wrong in
the steering department are too great to be taken lightly.

Good luck to anyone who decides to do the job, it is worth it.

[dooooney]

fuck that

[-Bruce-]

f**k that

lol what did you think it was going to be a five min job?? lol

bruce

[m.d.]

looks farly easy to be honnest,

just get the rack cut down and re threded, cut the whole in the bulkhead, then its like fitting a nova rack, gunna do this if mine fails mot on the rack next time,

i think you can get the parts cheaper than said there as ive seen the whole kit on eurorallye for less than 200

[burgo]

i have found a solution to the pump problem, if you use a saxo pump they are electric so can be mounted anywhere. this of course means no fcukin about wiv pullies and belts. the other alternative is to try and modify a cinquchento (not sure on spellin) colum as these have eletric power steering and its all built into the colum.

[5door_racer]

could you put the pump in the boot or would this be too far away?

[m.d.]

i have found a solution to the pump problem, if you use a saxo pump they are electric so can be mounted anywhere. this of course means no fcukin about wiv pullies and belts. the other alternative is to try and modify a cinquchento (not sure on spellin) colum as these have eletric power steering and its all built into the colum.

lol did you not read that fitting guide

[burgo]

i have found a solution to the pump problem, if you use a saxo pump they are electric so can be mounted anywhere. this of course means no fcukin about wiv pullies and belts. the other alternative is to try and modify a cinquchento (not sure on spellin) colum as these have eletric power steering and its all built into the colum.

lol did you not read that fitting guide

nope lmao, to long for the be asked factor

5door racer i would of thought that would be to far away

[Phil_G]

guide uses a 106 pump so same as the saxo item.


also v prone to failure they are..

phil

[burgo]

guide uses a 106 pump so same as the saxo item.


also v prone to failure they are..

phil

what exactly goes rong with them phil

[Rob77]

If you go to www.raldes.co.uk, they do a quick-lock steering rack.

It reduces the turns needed to get from lock to lock.

I am about to buy one!

[Ste L]

If you go to www.raldes.co.uk, they do a quick-lock steering rack.

It reduces the turns needed to get from lock to lock.

I am about to buy one!

fitting that will make it even harder to turn the wheel not easier like PAS

[novashed]

use a corsa electric column, does fit, just make sure you get the ECU that goes with it. they can be setup to use a speed sensor so they get stiffet o steer at higher speeds. check out migweb.co.uk was a big post on there a while back. i think rick draper knows abit about it too, so to fearless on here.

i decide against it, like the fee of non-PAS!

[Alex]

don't be such a weiner. Novas are very light. The steering is never very heavy and it doesn't really warrent power steering