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Is possible to a Nova GSi 1.6 8v(stock) beat a Saxo 1.6 16v(stock)?
Snowface
09-09-04, 03:39 PM
if the driver was bad in saxo then you copuld but generally no.
*Cue people saying they beat VTS's in their 1.4sr's*
lol.
A lot of saxo 'furios' or 'west coasts' do just swap the badges and alloys for vts/vtr ones though. Quite funny me thinks :lol:
Philsutton
09-09-04, 04:21 PM
the engines maybe stock but the saxo will be running 24inch wheels or what ever they ram on these gay cars so the GSI would kill it
-Bruce-
09-09-04, 06:51 PM
the engines maybe stock but the saxo will be running 24inch wheels or what ever they ram on these gay cars so the GSI would kill it
phil knows this cause he has 3 paxos. all with flip paint and big wheels!!
i would say a standard gsi/gte would not keep with a vts!! but again the driver comes into it.
bruce
wisewood
09-09-04, 06:57 PM
If the drivers are equal and both cars are standard the VTS will beat the GSi quite comfortably. Play with VTR's instead - it'll be closer.
I don?t know but in a drag race maybe 200mts i think the GTE is a little bit more quicker.
Anyway i hate them and i want to beat them, i hope my camshaft and my head work help me.
Next thing a 4 branch manifold and a chip.
wisewood
09-09-04, 07:27 PM
As standard cars, if you were both to get a good start the VTS would still win even over a shorter distance. It simply has mroe power.
wisewood
09-09-04, 07:30 PM
Just looked up the figures for the VTS - as standard it's listed as 120bhp... compare that to the 100bhp of the standard GTE and you're fighting a losing battle.
What?s the way out, to win?
compare the power to weight ratios not just the power figures
wisewood
09-09-04, 07:32 PM
:lol: Modify the GTE... and strip as much weight off as possible.
But the GTE is more light isn?t?
I gone sell my MTX and my amp.
lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/epo_sri/nos.gif
should help see off a vts :lol:
VTS's are quick little cars. Do not under-estimate them.
Jim
VTS's are quick little cars. Do not under-estimate them.
I do not under-estimate them i just want to beat them.
peester
09-09-04, 08:40 PM
funny too how the corsa with similar engine spec; as you guys are comparing a 1988-93 1.6 8 valve in the nova with a 96-04 1.6 16 valve in the saxo... can't match it either; 1.6 16v 93-97 109bhp. bit closer though.
the vts's are very quick ive been in one and couldnt believe how rapid it was
Philsutton
09-09-04, 09:19 PM
the nova is lighter compared to the bloated saxo with its gay little comforts it has. Power doesnt mean shit as ive been leave with a 300bhp MR2 turbo(talked to guy afterwards so i no what power he says it had) down the 1/4 mile an i have no where near that power. Plus you'll have to round corners as french cars dont handle very well, i dont care what people say ive seen them go round corners.
Twin carbs/throttle bodies, big-valve head, 4-branch may do the trick. You would be looking at about 120bhp then.
Or fit a C16XE (1.6 16V) lump and get rid of that homo inlet restrictor with a Lexmaul inlet manifold. That should help you stomp over some Gallic arse. On throttle bodies you can apparently get close to 200bhp if you try hard enough.
Philsutton
09-09-04, 09:46 PM
with twin carbs/throttle bodies you destroy the saxo
http://www.carstats.co.uk/more.php?id=2665
That link might shed some light onto the subject and give you an idea of what speed is required
That's interesting. My car produces more torque than a VTS and it's just under 1 1/2 secs slower on quarter mile. Er a bit slower on 0-60 tho!
Just had a further look on that website. If Vauxhall hadn't had a fit of anal rententiveness and restricted the C16XE, the Corsa GSI would have weed all over VTS's
*Cue people saying they beat VTS's in their 1.4sr's*
vts does a 1/4mile in 16.1 :wink:
-Bruce-
09-09-04, 11:32 PM
i was just about to post the same thing benji!! lol
:P
bruce
maxpaine
09-09-04, 11:40 PM
me GSI beats tje saxo VTS stock stock anda mey 1.3 SR beats im in star only loses in speed.
LOL
Is not possible mate, unless your car is modified.
Plus you'll have to round corners as french cars dont handle very well, i dont care what people say ive seen them go round corners.
Sigh...Phil jumps in with his Saxo bashing again. The Saxo is based on the 106 Chassis. The 106 Gti came 3rd when "5th gear" were trying to find the best "overall" car. They claimed the cars handling was one of its best features.
I'm not sure why you have such a hatred to Saxo's/French cars, but they are not as bad as you think. Chances are you've seen a few that are kitted badly, but you only have to look around on this site to see some badly kitted Novas. Also, I'd be interested to know how a VTS compares around a track next to a Gsi, or even a Gsi with a 2.0 16v engine in. I think the Saxo would probably have the standard Gsi round the track and no doubt give the 2.0 16v a good run for it's money.
Jim
VTS's will leave a gsi sitting, even in a valvered nova the cnuts and 106 gti's will do over 130mph without so much as batting an eyelid. making them hard to get rid of, but regretfully most saxo and nova drivers are quite pish at driving...most just seem to wheelspin or brake too much when they near a corner when they dont need to so a daewoo matiz could take them...hehe!!
I think France makes some wicked cars. I just hate Citroens! Cheap, nasty little shit boxes with no leg room. Only little boy-racers love Saxos because real men can't fit in 'em.
HEVY-nova
10-09-04, 07:32 PM
At the end of the day you cant knock the fact that a standard VTS will hit 60 a second and a half quicker than a standard GSI. The post 1999 VTR has the same power and 0-60 time as a GSI and so if a much better comparison.
A Nova would need a 2.0 16v to comfortably beat a VTS, and even then I rekon that the Citreon would win on the twisties.
I know people round here prefer Vauxhalls, but I think that some people need to look past the bias, and accept that the VTS is a good all round car
I need a 2.0 16v 150 bhp car to beat a 1.6 16v 120 bhp car?
Well, sorry mate i think the things is not like that i have a friend of mine with a 1.8 8 valve nova only with a 4 branch manifold and he beat them, i already saw.
a nova gsi with an air filter, exhaust, cold air feed and 4 branch manifold will keep up if not beet a vts. my old gte was fooked and still beet a vtr. a 2.0 16v nova will make a vts look like its going backwards
A Nova would need a 2.0 16v to comfortably beat a VTS, and even then I rekon that the Citreon would win on the twisties.
*sigh* yep thats everyones answer but we dont all want that, so we do it differently to stand out from the crowd.
Clutch, if like you said you have some headwork done and a cam, coupled with a four branch etc then you might have the edge you want.
as said above. just sort the head out on the gsi and add some carbs and you will really upset one
Yes, i have a 280? cam a ported and polish head, new piston?s KS + 0.50, new clutch, the inlet manifold is worked to and the butterfly.
For now that?s all but in december i?m going to put a 4 branch manifold if i can find one.
I hope this will be ok to beat one.
Anyway i want more power and maybe to next year the plan?s are the TBD.
After that i want to see tha saxo 1.6 16 valve against my 12 year old nova.
Like a friend of mine say don?t preocupate more 3 year?s and there will be no saxo?s. :D
Cheers mate?s
Philsutton
11-09-04, 03:22 PM
A Nova would need a 2.0 16v to comfortably beat a VTS, and even then I rekon that the Citreon would win on the twisties.
i know a certain 1.6 8v that has a quicker 0-60 then me dont think that would have trouble destroying a saxo.
And i dont have a problem getting on a track with a saxo to end this thought that 2lt 16v novas handle shit. They only handle shit if you dont do it properly.
I wouildn't under estimate saxo's .... even the 1.4 westcoast/furio are quite rapid for what they are ! my mates 1.4 furio (stock) can beat a 1.4 LUXE/SR (has the twin choke carb so he thiniks it's an SR) and it's quite a quick nova !
As for a VTS leaving a 2.0 nova i'd find that very very heard to belieive, seeing as you can see 200bhp quite easily out of a valver.
And YES 106 GTi's are fucking ace at handling , but take this for a similar comparison.
My mate has a 106 GTi with LAD conversion running approx 170bhp, and it handles amazingly (lowered 60mm, probably like 80mm at the back) and my dad Absolutly Destroyed him in his Lancia Delta intergrale HF TURBO, and that's on 18's and they are pretty similar cars (in terms off speed and the 106 probably has the edge on handling)
Power to weight 8) id say the vts would have an edge but all of the ones ive seen run the 1/4 dont really make good times
Ste_Nova
14-09-04, 11:49 AM
i can't drive a saxo/106... my feet are too big...
but in a traffic light drag there is nothing in it between my modded 1.4sr and a vtr
Philsutton
14-09-04, 04:32 PM
i can't drive a saxo/106... my feet are too big...
thats because they were aimed at females
LOL, i didn?t drive yet my car but at least it sound?s diferent!
I hope is power full enought to beat that female car.
I gone to pick up next friday, but first i have to drive very slow the first 1000km/h :((
Cheers mates
maxpaine
15-09-04, 01:55 AM
my corsa A GSI(Nova there) does 220 km/h, has 110 hp, there are an engine model on this car but only a few GSi has it an 1.6 engin whit 120 hp, and im beating CUP=VTS, here i only have a exaust 4-1 anything more.
Now it all dependes on de driver, but a nova GSI all tuned anda a vts all tuned they reach the same performance.
woollard1892
15-09-04, 12:25 PM
you cant compair a vtr with a gsi nova the gsi will leave it standing i have two mates with vtrs and raced both of them with my 1.4sri and beat both of them with only 90bhp
Ste_Nova
15-09-04, 01:12 PM
yes you can...
GSi = 1.6 8v
VTR = 1.6 8v
1.4SRi = 1.4 8v
West Coast = 1.4 8v
the VTS has no nova match... maybe 1.6 16v nova with derestricted inlet is the best u can compaire with
I would say as a rough comparison:
1.1i Saxo = 1.2 CARB Nova
1.3SR/1.4SR Saxo will have no comparrison here
1.4 Saxo = Nova SRi
1.6 VTR Saxo= Nova GSi
1.6 VTS Saxo will beat any standard stock nova hands down.
A 2.0 16v Nova really would say goodbye to a VTS. I have been in both.
However you can tune your car... I have raced a VTS in my 1.4 Nova, from about 30-100, he overtook me, then I gave chase, was going round the twisties and came onto a big straight, we were both booting it, and he couldnt get away. He was pulling on me, but he couldnt get away from me.
So I would say in answer to your original question, you can easily tune your GTE to beat a VTS Saxo, however, i would have thought you would have to ditch the standard injection system for carbs or TB's.
I raced a 106 GTI(as good as vts) and there wernt much init. Was only a little blat up a duel carrige way but it was close ask Dan_mk1. on the corners i understand but there not stupid quick
Snowface
15-09-04, 11:05 PM
when i had my 1.2 with 1.3inlet manifold and 2e3 my mates 1.1i Saxo used to go quicker.
Think the 1.1i is 65bhp ish.
homeboy.G.
18-09-04, 05:24 PM
my missus has a 106 gti wiv a induction kit and a full stainless and its quick!! but my 1400 sr has a c16xe wiv a pipercross vector induction kit and group A exhaust system and it will beat her 106 hands down even wiv my mates drivin it! it not that much behind but a good few car lenghts!!!! :wink: :D
does the induction kit sound better than standard one mate
quick update. i raced a standard vts at pod today. he got 16.0 i got 16.5
wisewood
19-09-04, 08:29 PM
my 1400 sr has a c16xe wiv a pipercross vector induction kit and group A exhaust system
So it's not a 1400SR anymore then... its a 1600 16v SR. :roll:
my 1400 sr has a c16xe wiv a pipercross vector induction kit and group A exhaust system
So it's not a 1400SR anymore then... its a 1600 16v SR. :roll:
i was trying to work that out too thought it was maybe just me :lol:
quick update. i raced a standard vts at pod today. he got 16.0 i got 16.5
:lol: Nothing to be ashamed of considering you were lacking 200cc and 8 valves! Saxo driver should've been ashamed!
i got a crap start and he got away then the gap stayed the same all the way up
Not bad!? I would say very good mates.
Keep puting your results against that women car. :)
16 sounds about right going by how i absolutly kill them as per signature
Think its down to the Saxo drivers on the 1/4 though as when I had my standardish 1.6 8v (induction kit, exhaust) in I got smoked by a VTS (also induction kit, exhaust), he ran a 15.6sec with 17's on and I got my best time of 16.2sec. Also when people say the book figure on a VTS is 16secs i'd say that can be beaten quite easily as I think book 1/4 for a GSi is 16.7 and many are quicker than that but no doubt someone will correct me if i'm wrong.
Also for the record with my car running same spec as when I ran that 1/4 mile I raced a mates VTR and it was neck and neck.
I already have my shot.
So its simple my Nova (have a camshaft and ported and polish head) is faster against a VTS (with exaust and filter) in a drag race at reach 140km/h after that speed VTS is stronger.
I?m sorry to disapoint the SAXO lads in drag race?s :lol:
NickWalliams
15-12-04, 10:48 PM
Where did this post suddenly re-appear from?? I remember reading this ages ago, back then i was a gsi driver.
Raced me mate in his vts the other week, and that would nail a gsi and is as far as i know standard.
But valver whips Vts easy. I know I proved it, the first thing he said to me after was "Im gettin a Nova valver"
:lol:
dooooney
16-12-04, 07:00 PM
i agree with all them out there about saxo's :( as i went against 1 the other day in my nove not thinking about how fuck my engine is but off the line i won but 100ms he was overtaking me then off to the distnce so i tinks that we should leave em as they are a shity little car that deserves to be bombd by police cameras but untill they are the better car STOCK
mattlin
16-12-04, 09:46 PM
me and my mate done 135 in his gsi and beat a golf mk3 gti since then i told him not to sell it but then blew the head gasket and put a 2L sri in it and sold it for a ford escort the silly twat
ALLNOVA
17-12-04, 07:19 PM
if a valver saxo wasnt a wee bit quicker than a gsi somethin would be wrong. How old is the gsi now?? it does fine considering its up against much newer engine design, etc. anyway saxos are for the ladies and do smell of wee! saxo beat a valver??? :lol:
I had a VTS for a week, and yes it was quick, and yes quicker than my modded 1.6i SR, but the overtaking speed, as in say 40-70mph type stuff, I felt they were very similar. I thought the VTS brakes were poo, but could be because of my 2ltr ones on the nova feeling stronger. As a stock car the VTS is a great, but the most important thing is that I did not enjoy driving it, it was pretty dull, so for me my nova is better, even a stock nova is fun to drive.
Quite bored of the whole VTS verses GSi/GTE debate now....again.
wills gsi was faster than a VTS when he had it.
his 1.4 engine with buckets used to beat a VTR
but in the grand scheme of life........ who really gives a shit :lol: :lol:
maxpaine
21-12-04, 08:39 PM
nice babe :P
yesd a GSI BEATS a crap of a VTR hehehe its proved
maxpaine
21-12-04, 08:44 PM
dont forget that the VTR exaust system is tuned from the make, a run a GSI 1.6 whit exaust 4-1 and filter and box here is dificult to find a Vtr whit stock system.
SYD(SRI)
21-12-04, 09:38 PM
*Cue people saying they beat VTS's in their 1.4sr's*
Well my sri beats VTR'S all the time and its only got a KnN So ya never know
Philsutton
21-12-04, 09:40 PM
so what about people with 100+bhp sr's?
SYD(SRI)
21-12-04, 10:09 PM
reackon you wouldnt be to far behind to be fair
i raced a vts at pod, he got a better start than me, and i couldn't close the gap, he stayed half a car length ahead of me all the way up. although i'm pretty confident i'd kill one round a track
Matt Nova
22-12-04, 12:34 AM
i raced a vts at pod, he got a better start than me, and i couldn't close the gap, he stayed half a car length ahead of me all the way up. although i'm pretty confident i'd kill one round a track
nice one kill those paxos and get it on tape for evidence and for us to laugh
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