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blingmachine
12-08-04, 06:42 PM
Well am enjoying the last few days of owning my nova before it gets shipped off to africa :o Managed to sell it for 3,000, reckon thats a good price for a 1.2 :D
here's a few recent pics for memorys sake :cry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/saintprojects/fingerboarding230.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/saintprojects/fingerboarding231.jpg
Novaload MK 2003
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/saintprojects/randompics120.jpg
Oh and if anyones wondering about the GTR badge....erm don't ask :roll: :lol:
smithy87
12-08-04, 06:46 PM
One of the nicest I've seen
I LOVE THE GT-R BADGE!
kiss it good-bye for me........... :cry:
i take the cheques cleared and everything as there has been a few people on here say some one has tried to scam the car out of them with dodgy cheques
Africa? Mate this is the oldest scam in the book. Even when the funds have cleared they can still be revoked.
?Marty?
12-08-04, 07:45 PM
^^^ that's just jealousy talking. I fully approve your transaction as being genuine.
Don't delay, ship today. :wink:
Cool Marty drives a Microbe!
that scam happens alot to bikers. heard of the cheque being cleared and then the bank asking for the money back 2weeks later. there was an article in motorcycle news last issue.
Yup its a complete scam, I've had 3 emails about my Seat Ibiza and Blue Nova that I sold ages ago!
Say to them you'll deliver it yourself for a small price and mail back to them saying you want there full name/contact details/details of the shipping company..
Trust me they will go VERY quiet ;)
Ste_Nova
12-08-04, 09:38 PM
get money... get it out of account.. close account.. do one :lol:
sounds like one big scam to me
a mean africa for gods sake surely there some one in our own country who would have bought it
WITHDRAW THE CASH!!!!! you must be mad mate, definately say good bye to your car and probably the money too!! :roll:
You will still get nailed for the money if you withdraw it. The bank can STILL trace you, and then they will pursue you. No more loans, no more credit, no more paying for your insurance monthly etc etc etc and you will become a bankruptee until you repay it.
My company (who I work for, not own) got done by this scam. For legal reasons (ie i'll get sacked) i can't tell too much detail, but lets say it cost the company more than my salary, and last year I earned ?28,000
IT IS A SCAM. IT WILL COST ?3000 FOR THEM TO SHIP THE CAR TO AFRICA!
Blingmachine, I am genuinely worried about you/your car if you have fallen for this scam.
This is in general chat last couple of weeks, "Email I Received"
Go have a look, this is what I wrote when I saw it...
""""This scam involves him agreeing a higher-than-normal price with you, (say ?2000 for a car worth ?1500) and sending you a bank draft (forged but you don't know this yet) from a 3rd party (bank) for ?5000. He then askes you to send him a transfer of the balance (?3000). You check with your own bank and they say it has cleared (the ?5000) and you let him have his ?3000.......
You think it is ok, but he never collects the car....
Up to 3 months later, you find that the bank who issued the cheque have recovered the ?5000 from your account and you are left with a ?3000 debt that you paid out to him (the fraudster).
See most people believe that a bankers draft/bankers cheque is secure, but in circumstances such as this, the bank will shaft you because you should have known it was dodgy!!!
You can also be noted as a "Code 10" on your credit history. Code 10 is used to denote possible fraud, and it may be assumed that you were involved in the fraud knowingly.....
This scam is nothing new, where I work our company has been done a few times by similar scams relating to paying-off finance with duff drafts/cheques. We then re-posess the goods if we can find them but usually the person has disappeared. At least the police normally look for them, but when nobody actually took your car, who's gonna beleve you??
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If you want to go your way, then go ahead, but be VERY CAREFUL!!! As I said, the company I work for have been scammed successfully by this....
?Marty?
13-08-04, 12:08 AM
Get the bank to confirm that it has fuly cleared in writing. Withdraw all money.
Then, if you rely upon the banks written assurance and it turns out to be to your detriment, they will not be able to recover the money from you.
Make sure they know that you are acting upon their written assurance of full clearance.
Edited for legal reasons :wink:
It won't work Jooboy....... No bank will guarantee an issued fund unless it is issued by themself, IE Barclays will only guarantee a Barclays draft/cheque, because ANYONE with the right software could print fake drafts.
The fact that Bling is accepting a payment over and above the market value of the vehicle (?3000 is a lot of money for a 12-yr old 1.2) from a person who has not even seen it should arouse suspicion...
Just as a matter of interest joo, you are committing an offence here, "conspiracy to commit fraud", are you not?
:o
Not if bling believes the sale to be genuine and as any right-minded vendor would checking the credentials of the potential purchaser
But the fact that so many people on this post have said "IT'S A SCAM" to which Joo says "It IS" means he commits the offence.
Do you really think that the banks give a fuck about anything except getting their money back?
The fact that Bling is accepting a payment over and above the market value of the vehicle (?3000 is a lot of money for a 12-yr old 1.2) from a person who has not even seen it should arouse suspicion......
It's like if you bought an Escort Cossie, worth around ?8-12k, but you got it for ?4k. Then a year later it turns out to be stolen. The CPS WILL try to prosecute for handling sloten property, because the fact remains that you accepted the goods in full knowledge that the seller was offering them to you well below the market value. You may get away with a caution, but you won't get your cossie back, it will go back to it's rightful owner, either the insurer or the individual who owned it before it was stolen!
?Marty?
13-08-04, 01:07 AM
The law is not concerned with the relative merits of a bargain, as long as there is sufficient elements for the formation of a contract, you enter into a legally binding obligation.
People may state that it is a scam because of a 'suspicion' due to the price, but it is not a statement of fact. But if he takes precautions - i.e seeks assurance of full clearance from the bank - then he has taken reasonable measures to protect himself. It is merely a suspicion, and not proof of sufficient knowledge of receiving stolen/fraudulent money.
The vehicle can not even be placed at market value, as it is a uniquely individual vehicle, and thus valued subjectively against what it is worth to the buyer. It does not matter if it is overpriced, as long as someone is prepared to pay it. It will still form a binding contract.
Also, it is not necessary to 'see' the goods prior to purchase.
The law infact states ''caveat emptor'' - let the buyer beware.
The whole point of waiting for clearance from the bank, is to protect yourself. It is the banks job, as a financial institution, to seek to prevent things such as fraudulent cheques/bankers drafts being drawn. It also has indemnity insurance to cover such events.
The example of the cossie being recovered is nothing to do with the market value. The CPS would prosecute because when you recieve a stolen item, if it can be proved that it IS a stolen item, it can be recovered from you irrelevant of whether you were aware of the fact or not, simply for the fact that the seller never had ownership, so could not pass good title to the goods.
With money it is the sdame principle, but is different, due to a process of tracing. But i can not be bothered to define all this now. Need my bed,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/SJJura/Random/forecast.jpg
i ahve used the above in a court of law and won. Take this advice/reference to the pic
?Marty?
13-08-04, 01:14 AM
Yes, i have studied that legal principle as posted by fester in picture form as part of my degree.
It is is legally binding in all shpes and sizes, and offers Bling full protection under the law.
blingmachine
13-08-04, 01:31 AM
who ever mentioned cheques, i know i did'nt. Thats why i insisted on cash :wink:
I watch this thread with disbelief!
Of course, JOO will offer his services free of charge if this does go tits up and you need a blood-sucking lawyer, and will personally re-imburse you if and when it goes wrong seeing as you have acted on his advice.
There is a commonly-held informal view, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is"
I would like to point out that all anyone is trying to do here is stop Blingmachine from making a mistake and getting stitched up. TBH I don't know why anyone bothered (Myself included)
See you in the papers!
You didn't answer my question as well Joo,
Just as a matter of interest joo, you are committing an offence here, "conspiracy to commit fraud", are you not?
????? True or false???
this is all getting a bit out of hand now
even iff he does go ahead and sells it what the hell are we going to be able to do about it
were all getting stressed about somebody elses problem i say we let it drop
we tried to talk him out of it and hes havin none of it
lets just let it drop
africa is a hot bastard place, and most cars are made to suit the environment, i haven't heard of this scam, but i have heard of the "president of ethiopia has money to send to you to keep for a while and inreturn tyou will get 15% of 50 million pounds " if you give them your bank details, address etc... loada shite.
and where in africa is it going? 99% of the population hasnt a grain of rice to rub together.... and as for the nova, really nice car, but worth nowhere near 3000 pounds, possibly 800.
IT's a SCAM!!! if it involves cheques!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/CARS/sell/cc/fr-1.jsp
Read the above, they tried catching me out!!
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blingmachine
13-08-04, 04:50 PM
Ok calm down everyone, yeah when i first got the email i thought that it sounded totaly dodgy, and was going to phone my bank to talk to them about the whole check being revoked after it has been clearded thing.
Well after i read your replys i contacted the guy who aparently lives in botswana (nice :roll: ) and his emails became more dodgy eg, he kept changing his story
so i kept asking them for there deatils and guess what, nothing. So in my last email to them i insisted on cash, and im still waiting a reply
thanks for all your comments as i probaly would have gone through with it if it were'nt for everyones posts :+:
a little advice goes a long way :D
Nice one. I feel justified for getting a bit arsey now!!
?Marty?
13-08-04, 07:14 PM
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:o i think youve done the right thing blingmachine, well done to the resident novaload legal staff!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually, joo marty or whatever he is called advised Bling to go ahead with it! He can stick his advice where the bacon don't shine!
were the bacon don't shine thats a new one :lol: :lol:
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Joo's don't like bacon, hence the comment...
Al Wilson
14-08-04, 05:44 PM
Joo's don't like bacon, hence the comment...
Warning *Approching dangerous waters*
?Marty?
14-08-04, 06:16 PM
No it's true. I even removed my own pork sword.
Although it's a pitty that Bling has missed out on the sale due to misinformed advice. Will you ask your buyer if he'd be interested in purchasing my motorcar instead. Thanks.
Al Wilson
14-08-04, 06:23 PM
:lol: Entering political crosshairs!
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