*IMPORTANT*something that will affect everyone

[djp_y2k]

got this in an email from one of the guys I work with makes for some interesting reading and deffinately needs a response off everyone if u disagree.




Morning Boys
It looks like every car enthusiasts friends at the DVLA are at it again with a review of a rather worrying amount of legislation. Check out the links below and read carefully because I'll be suprised if something doesn't affect yourself or somebody you know, so the more people that respond the better. Trouble is, we only have until the 19th of July to submit a reply. I'd be interested to see what you think. If you can get a response together between you that refers to any points you think might affect your car scene then just get as many people to copy and paste it to the DVLA as possible. Remember, if you don't respond then you will not be driving the cars that you love to drive in a year or twos time. Believe me, this is the thin end of the wedge.
Cheers Matt

Vehicle inspection procedures from the DVLA website.
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/veh_inspec/vi_summary.htm




DVLA Response form
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/veh_inspec/vi_response.htm

[djp_y2k]

these are two replies as stated below.


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don't know if this is helpful but here are a couple of replys that 2 of our club members sent to the DVLA. You might be able to cut and paste any relevant information.


Dear Mr Davies

A Review of the Vehicle Inspection Procedures of the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency and Driver and Vehicle Licensing Northern Ireland

I refer to the consultation document issued on the DVLA website.

Unfortunately due to time constraints I am unable to provide you with a detailed response in the format requested but trust that his rather more generalised response will nevertheless be considered in the consultation process.

My principal area of concern is that any amendments to the existing procedures takes into account the interests of motor hobbyists, like myself, who require vehicles to be registered.

My interest is in classic cars, modified classic cars including custom cars, and American cars including classics.

There is a vast number of enthusiasts and specialised businesses involved in these areas. Furthermore, much of the cost of building and maintaining such specialist vehicles involves general businesses within the motor and engineering trades eg components, general materials, tyres, fluids, fasteners, engineering services etc. Accordingly, the wider picture is very much a significant part of the motor and other trades.

I believe the existing qualifying criteria within the reconstructed classic and radically altered vehicle categories are excessive and unreasonable, particularly when due to the very nature of the vehicle there is no likelihood of meeting SVA requirements without destroying the true essence of the vehicle, if indeed it is possible at all. Continuation of the existing criteria will ultimately lead to no further registrations being possible due to a shortage of suitable components with the attendant effect on enthusiasts, businesses and the public at large as our rich, cultural heritage becomes unsustainable. Also, there is strong case for allowing the fitment of components of different manufacture or reproduction or redesigned / aftermarket items on safety grounds.

The current system of inspections appears to work acceptably well although there could well be a good case for the ?user? being made to pay for inspections. I do not believe there would be significant objection to an approved, privately operated inspection system in the registration process if certain relaxations referred to above were made.

Whilst I appreciate there may well be improvements to be made in certain procedures in pursuit of consumer protection there must be sufficient flexibility within the regime to accommodate the legitimate interests of hobbyists and protect businesses and livelihoods.

Thank you for taking the time to read my submission which I trust has been of assistance.

Yours sincerely



DVLA CONSULTATION DOCUMENT


Q Registration Marks Questions 12-16

I feel that there is a necessity for a method of registering vehicles of indeterminate age/origin and that the current procedure works almost perfectly. The only drawback is the requirement of S.V.A. on certain vehicles that would be unable to pass without MAJOR reworking of original components. For instance, where, due to age and corrosion, the original chassis has been replaced and the opportunity taken to upgrade to more reliable or safe components, but without detracting from the fundamental appearance of the vehicle.

The inspection should be carried out by persons ?au fait? with the particular type of vehicle inspected, rather than expecting one person/department to have such a vast knowledge. The cost of inspection should be borne by the persons making such a request.

Permanently Imported Vehicles Questions 7-20

There are many previously modified vehicles imported into the UK and the regulations should take account of the age and history of that vehicle. If it has been modified and used abroad, and is of an age that would allowed it Historic Vehicle Status, then it should be allowed an age related mark rather that a Q showing indeterminate age.

The consumers involved with possibly later purchasing this type of vehicle are of the type that would be fully aware of its age and origins. I feel there should be no fee for inspection as no fee is charged for inspection of a new vehicle prior to first registration.

Radically Altered Vehicles Questions 40-46

There is a failing is the registration process in that, in many cases it is unlikely that a manufacturer will continue to supply such expensive components as a complete chassis or body shell. The rules should be amended to allow replica components to be used providing proof that they are of new origin is available. A replacement second hand chassis/monocoque should also be allowed if proof of its origins can be provided.

Radically altered vehicles should retain the appearance of the vehicle they purport to be if they are to retain their original registration mark. If the vehicle no longer resembles its origins then it should be awarded a mark that reflects the date of first registration. Although many components may be totally overhauled, rebuilt, or substituted, they should still be of a contemporaneous source. This should not however preclude enhancements in the name of improvements to safety.

Once again, if retaining many original features and specifications it is unlikely that it would be able to pass S.V.A.. I do feel that an inspection of the quality of workmanship would be a good idea. It should however be of the nature of an enhanced M.O.T., rather than a full S.V.A., and the cost of this would be paid by the owner.

The weighting values are appropriate as they stand.

Kit Conversions Questions 53-59

The current system almost meets it requirement, the failing is the issuing of a Q plate. The future purchaser of this type of vehicle is likely to be a person who is up to speed with the kit conversion market and is unlikely to be mislead over the vehicles age. In this instance a Q plate is more likely to confuse the origins/age of the components used. The vehicle should either contain its original mark or be issued with an age related number and the V5 annotated as to it being a kit conversion. The vehicles date of manufacture should be its inspection date and the date of registration per original. It should comply with regulations pertinent to its date of registration.

Major components are front suspension, steering, rear suspension, back axle, engine, gear box, body or chassis.

The S.V.A. fails the meet the needs of kit conversions based on older vehicles. As an amateur built vehicle it should be subject to inspection but on a ?super? M.O.T. basis. An inspection on home designed safety critical item should be carried out. It should be the responsibility of the kit manufacturer to ensure his components are safe and adequate for the job. The amateur has merely to assemble these. Vehicles are not submitted for inspection because the amateur has performed his own brake servicing or replaced suspension components. It is unlikely that anyone with insufficient mechanical knowledge would wish to be involved with this type of vehicle.

Reconstructed Classics Questions 74-81

The current system needs some clarification. The components used should be over 25 years old, but obviously allowed that they can be refurbished or replaced with contemporaneous parts.

New components, to a minimum of original specification, should be allowed i.e. where an original chassis is too warn or damaged to be used a purpose made replacement can be used. Whilst not mandatory upgrades to safety critical items should be allowed.

Vehicles constructed from parts over 25 years old should be allowed to be registered as classics. The very act of recycling these items should be encouraged. The V5C will be annotated as to its construction from older recycled components.

The inspection of these vehicles should be done by the body or club most familiar with the style/model involved. There are many vehicles that fall within this remit without being directed what is recognised as ?classic cars?. i.e. there are older ?kit? cars and many conversions made for trialing or classed as ?specials? but based on older components. These would have been of a style relevant to the 25 year cut off.

As the V5 would be annotated there would be no reason not to allow cherished transfers.

[Adam]

Yeah i read this on another forum, its a bit stupid innit. :evil:

[sTuDeNt]

Sorry guys! I have read it! I dont get it! Please someone explain!

[Adam]

I think it basically says that vehicles being radically changed from standard spec have to change there registration mark etc so they are no longer that car. They are a new unique car.
If you can follow that. I may be totally wrong though. :roll:

[irmscherkris]

I THINK THAT THEY HAVE CLOCKED ON TO PEOPLE GETTING GATSO'D AT 140MPH IN THEIR "1 LITRE"

[epo]

Sorry guys! I have read it! I dont get it! Please someone explain!

u wernt the only one mate :wink:

[sTuDeNt]

Sorry guys! I have read it! I dont get it! Please someone explain!

u wernt the only one mate :wink:

Nice to know Epo! :)

[ade]

basically, if you modify your car (change body style, bodyshell, look, engine, suspension etc) you need to tell DVLA who amend your registration (V5) document details.

The new procedure is to see if there is enough of the "original" car left to be identified therefore allowing you to keep your current numebr plate.

If the car has been altered so much (DJP's car for example) that it isnt instantly recognisable as a Nova (or other car) or is a kit car, then your old plates are removed and the cars reclassed as a Q plate - making it part of the kit car group of cars (and those cars confiscated and resold as drug dealer reposessions!).

These cars are then required to undergo additional safety checks of summut like that.

It means if you forked ouut ?2k for a private plate you'll lose it (have to flog it on).

Your cars assessed on a points system, you need to score 8 points to retain your original plates.

Ade

:roll:

[Mel]

thats a scary thought indeed. I'm definately not happy with that at all :evil:

[Al Wilson]

Mmmmm not good. Don't want to lose my plate. :(

[Dave]

i don't understand why this needs to be done,
but what i can make out of it from reading bits of the link is this (feel free to point out if i'm wrong):
if a car has been modified beyond all recognision say (in a very basic way) the car on the pug advert that was transformed into a 307.
The car will have to be re-registered onto a 'Q' plate and go through another test of roadworthyness (is that even a word??) as well as an MOT

also it will give powers for random stop checks to make sure cars on the road are the same as what the dvla computer says the are. eg no more driving round in an xe/let an having it registered as a 1.2

[badnova]

and how much will this cost

porbably an arm and a leg

[sh0rty]

also it will give powers for random stop checks to make sure cars on the road are the same as what the dvla computer says the are. eg no more driving round in an xe/let an having it registered as a 1.2

That says it all about why they are changing it. People are driving round in certain cars that aren't really that car anymore. Heavily modified engines etc. Makes sense in a way?

Then again I don't drive a modified car, so it wouldn't affect me as such

[Dave]

also it will give powers for random stop checks to make sure cars on the road are the same as what the dvla computer says the are. eg no more driving round in an xe/let an having it registered as a 1.2

That says it all about why they are changing it. People are driving round in certain cars that aren't really that car anymore. Heavily modified engines etc. Makes sense in a way?

Then again I don't drive a modified car, so it wouldn't affect me as such

mark this day on the calendar i may have got sommant right :lol:

[mark_GSi]

that sucks!!!

when i did the 1600 transplant i told them and they were fine bout it (18 months ago)

wankers!!!

they will kill the modifying scene as a whole :roll: