metro turbo engine'd mini V's Valver

[ydg27]

hiya

just to solve arguement - which will be faster - using the standard engines, except the compulsary mods e.g. filter system mods and exhaust mods to fit into car

0 - 60 - based on ideal conditions
60 - 90
90 +

any figures would be great, power to weight - etc

cheers

[Dpnova]

what figures do you want valver or both

[ydg27]

both would be nice - just to compare

[ydg27]

please hurry folks - he is doing my head in

[Alex]

Well for starters the metro turbo engine wouldnt be able to go much quicker than 90 :lol:

[ydg27]

lol - any more :roll:

[Stuart]

mini will do you off the line. then i suppose midrange say 1/8 mile the valver might catch up

[ydg27]

why would the mini do ya off the line? grip?

whats the average 0-60 of a valver? and weight?

[Stuart]

sod it. stop asking. take him toa 1/4 mile strip and race. then you will know. ok you might lose, but hey atleast you'll both know

[Philsutton]

just found out that the metro turbo does the 0-60 in 9.4s, so when in a mini i think the valver would beat it. Plus minis are incapable of speeds in 3 figures

[ydg27]

i would race him but i have only got a fiat seicento sporting now - with a K&N!!!
and its not exactly a valver is it lol

any one up for a challenge in a valver with a standard metro turbo engine mini at 1st and in 6 months time he is having a 150bhp metro turbo lump in with 100bhp shot of nitrous on controller
should be 250bhp @ wheels - anyone up for a play now and then please post - i think york is the best bet as its closer for us

[S_Gault]

It all depends on gearing, and who built what,

but the mini if properly developed would slaughter it im afraid!

the group A ones where 220BHP from 1293cc! How long do you want the idle gear bearing to last

Steven

[MechaT]

Well with standard engines in the same car. The valver would destroy the turbo (assuming you mean a 2.0). The standard metro turbo engine is only 90bhp. The engine/drivetrain were designed for efficiency instead of power. The gearbox would break if you yanked up the boost. You didn't say which valver though? 1.4, 1.6, 2.0, etc... The Corsa 1.0 is a valver too!

[rallyxnova]

you are correct mech, but having witnessed what a proper turbo can do (as steves above), building them right means more than just winding up boost.

but std for std.. the 2.0L would whop it.

someone once told me that a turbo engine needs to make 25% more power than the equivalent N/A engine to win a straight race, and this has been proven in my own rallycross car.

Mark

[johnny27]

My uncle had a proper metro turbo in his mini, lots of head and bottom end work, bored out block, etc, strange as it may seem but he managed to leave a celica GT4 sitting for dead.

[MechaT]

Yeah. When we're talking mods, nothing can beat turbos for power.
aaah turbo! -drool-

[ydg27]

well the standard engine is going in today hopefully and he will then start work on the tweeked one - heres the spec: -

ported & polished with enlarged combustion chambers
avonbar phase 2 cam
20psi boost
T3 turbo
steel headgasket
low comp pistons
jack knight straight cut gears
4 pin diff
1.5:1 roller rockers
larger inlet valves
arp rod bolts
lightened and balenced bottom end
avenbar flywheel
100bhp shot nitrous using minimax contoller
mini sport quick shift
1310cc over bore
all set up on rolling road with carb mods to suit 20psi

and that should give a good 170bhp without nitrous approx 150@wheels
with gas 220@wheels with 300lb ft torque
and it weighs approx 650kg curb weight

not bad ey.

[Stuart]

i do belive, NO CHANCE is the odds on that one lol

[rallyxnova]

Never will it make that on the rollers!

Ive seen steves Group A ones, and you are missing several big tricks in the build there. EG- wire ringing the block, under crown piston cooling, and the idle gear MUST be a timkin otherwise it wont last 2 minutes.

the group A engine ran 220 at flywheel on much lower boost! 20psi wont last, the T3 needs stacks of work to sustain that.

Mark

[ydg27]

when he has had it rolling roaded i will post the charts up to prove his power but i must admit it is a bit optimistic, and your right it wont last 5 mins.

i will also post timing slips up

[scousebryan]

Well for starters the metro turbo engine wouldnt be able to go much quicker than 90 :lol:

My old metro turbo used to do 115mph an i could out run escort rs turbos up to 90mph which is good for what it is.

[S_Gault]

turbo engines on the dyno are pretty menaing less as inlet charge temp has to be measured and kept constant.

I found this to have a huge influenece on the figures produced.

Steven

[Slatter]

Anyone else wanna try builing a high spec metro turbo engine ??? ......................... I have 1 for sale ! lol cheap as chips :lol: :lol:

[Metromartin]

Why dont you fit the Vauxhall 2.0 XE engine into the Mini and get the best of both worlds, The Metro Turbo in its time was fast but sadly cars have got quicker and like most have been left well behind but in its day it was fast compaired to what was on the market as it came out in 1982/83 :)

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Martin

[ydg27]

cant afford the insurance on a valver mini, would be awesome though but couldn't see it handling too much weight on the front end. the metro turbo lump is now in but he has only just starting building the second engine, the fast one, so i expect at least 6 months down the line before its in

[Philsutton]

oh my god that f**ker is rear wheel drive :o