Considerin a 1.6 16v conversion, is it worth it?

[Wigan_Nova]

Im considerin puttin a 1.6 16v corsa engine in my 1.3sr, anyone else done this and if so is it worth doing?

[novax]

YES! :D

[CP]

:wink:

[dave.gsi]

hows she running mate?
still going strong?

http://www.novaload.net/images/car_images/448big2.jpg

[5_door owner]

i'd say yes because there is alright power from the lump and handling will not be as heavy as a 2.0 plus the 1.6 (baby valver) is not a common conversion on nova's so it will be more individual

ps. if your gettin it done whack some TB's or a turbo on it :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Ojc]

I'm in the planning stages of fitting my X16XE to my Nova project. I'll post up pics of the various stages of the fitting.

[epo]

hows she running mate?
still going strong?

http://www.novaload.net/images/car_images/448big2.jpg

is it ur old car dave???

[moffat sri]

I'd say do it. I'm thinkin of doin it too. Has anyone seen the new Fast Car? There's a Corsa GSI in it with 180bhp with throttle bodies, cams, 4 branch and custom exhaust, power boost valve and superchip.
Now what would that go like compared to a 2ltr 16v?!
Cheaper to insure too!

[Ojc]

I think the claim of 180bhp is a bit in the realms of fantasy, I would say more like 150-160bhp at a push.

[Mark]

I think the claim of 180bhp is a bit in the realms of fantasy, I would say more like 150-160bhp at a push.

A Nova in my rally championship is running a Corsa 1400 16v Engine and is pushing out a proven 153bhp so 180 from a 1600 is quite feasable....

[rob_wilkinson]

mines gonna have that kind of spec and we looking round 180bhp

[Ben3042]

Go for it mate, everyone knows you don't need a big engine for quick acceleration.

[peester]

I think the claim of 180bhp is a bit in the realms of fantasy, I would say more like 150-160bhp at a push.

oh blared! you were born yesterday. click here to soon want one. this is why im in the hunt for one too possibly. big respect. best thing since sliced bread. need the cash though..

http://www.velosmotorsport.co.uk/index.htm

....check out the up-and-coming turbo conversion for it!

[dave.gsi]

yes epo, its the lad who bought my old nova sr :wink:

[Ian]

I think the claim of 180bhp is a bit in the realms of fantasy, I would say more like 150-160bhp at a push.

A Nova in my rally championship is running a Corsa 1400 16v Engine and is pushing out a proven 153bhp so 180 from a 1600 is quite feasable....

yeah but the corsa is running a superchip lol

whose corsa is it? one off cs?

[dan_mk1]

I think the claim of 180bhp is a bit in the realms of fantasy, I would say more like 150-160bhp at a push.

why is it?? miles engine is running 199hp at the fly if remember correctly!
1.6 16v on tb's!

[Ojc]

Don't get me wrong I know what these engines are capable of and I'm not disputing anyones power claims.

The only thing that made me say that the blokes claim of 180bhp was a little un-realistic was that last year I attended the Corsa Vs Saxo day I met Andy Hamilton who has a 210-220bhp X16XE throttle bodied Corsa and he has spent ?0000's on his engine and I'm not sure that this bloke has spent half as much as Andy to achieve just under 30bhp less then Andys figure. I think its more of a "Max Power" claim.

I think once you get to the 150bhp mark with these engines you need to start spending serious amounts of money to increase it further.

[peester]

I think once you get to the 150bhp mark with these engines you need to start spending serious amounts of money to increase it further.

thats true. as my velos link shows; 165bhp for ?1700. to get 200bhp you need ?4000 and an exchange unit. and itll be harder to put the power down; into realms of quafes and god like mods. go for the throttle body/dta kit and jobs a good 'en.

[lightweight racer]

Thinkin of doing this conversion myself, although it will be a little while yet.

Does anybody know the difference in weight between the 2ltr valver and the 1.6 valver? I should imagine the curb weight of a 2ltr nova is over 1000kg? Surely the 1600 in a nova is <1ton?

Lee

[peester]

Thinkin of doing this conversion myself, although it will be a little while yet.

Does anybody know the difference in weight between the 2ltr valver and the 1.6 valver? I should imagine the curb weight of a 2ltr nova is over 1000kg? Surely the 1600 in a nova is <1ton?

Lee

its written in an issue of total vauxhall somewhere; i think the small block xe feature. i think it sed something about being 8 or 18 or 80 kg/lbs heavier. will have to check it out. i cant remember.

[lightweight racer]

Ok need some feedback here people:
Is it possible to get a nova down to 800kg with a 1600 16v lump?
This is my trail of thought...
1600 cc + 160bhp = 100bhp/litre
160bhp + 800kg = 200bhp/ton
sounds good to me!!

COMMENTS PLEASE!

Lee

[peester]

well i know that in one of the first issues of total vauxhall (im not a tv rep or nothing) dec burke (ex.novaloader) 's red 1.6 16v had 150 bhp (i think at the wheels) that calculated to aprox 200 per ton so youre not far off. just remember that although 150bhp is easier to put down than 200bhp (i mean traction) the featherweight front end takes that advantage away again, so sometimes a bit of weight is good. its all about balance mate. lol :D

[NWR161282]

FOR ANYONE LOOKING FOR A 1.6 16V ENGINE THERE IS A GOOD ONE FOR SALE ON WWW.RALLYUSEDPARTS.CO.UK IN THE PARTS SECTION DATED THE 29TH OF DECEMBER.

[Dicko]

anybody after a good x16xe with box/ecu/loom contact me!!

a 1.6 16v on TBs setup properly with a good exhuast puts out 150-155bhp, you really cant use SBD figures there miles out!!

put another ?600-700 to it with some head work + cams and your talking 175-180bhp, to go above this with higher lift cams then your talking serious money. any cams more meaty than piper270's and you need pocketed pistons, so add another ?1k for that as ul need a rebore + hone. new valve springs would be a good idea with the higher lift cams. and it keeps going from there

[?Marty?]

Assuming i dont go and sell my car before that, i'm swaying more towards a 1.6 valver than a 2 litre valver now. Just seems less work in fitting it too.

[dan_mk1]

Assuming i dont go and sell my car before that, i'm swaying more towards a 1.6 valver than a 2 litre valver now. Just seems less work in fitting it too.

i always thought your car would suit a 2ltr, kinda has the image to go with the kit??
if ya get me?? :lol:

[lightweight racer]

All that i'd want is roughly 160bhp (at the wheels of course!) and a light car. Just want power i can use, acceleration is what i'm really after without a turbo. Just nice close first four gear ratios and a long 5th for motorway cruising, a 1600 valver on TBs!

What the average going price of a 1.6 valver people? Basically everything i'd need to stick in a 1.4sr? (without things like Nova GSi fuel lines/pump etc)

[Mark]

Nice to be able to delete posts isn't it Ian :!:

For your info, the Corsa ENGINED Nova is run by Huw Beynon and Co-Driven by Ken Gibbard - They won class one of the Focus 3 Welsh Tarmacadam Championship 2003 and there car is running 153BHP.

Should anyone wish to have a look at the championship, and its winners etc you can visit www.focus3.co.uk and click on 'Rally'..... :D

I would also like to add that this car consistantly beat larger capacity cars and in the wet achieved top 5 overall finishes!

[dave.gsi]

i take it you still have to strengthen the bay etc with a 1.6 16V?

i take it its a fair bit lighter too, therefore a normal lowering kit will suffice? rather than higher rate springs like with a valver


does seem to be getting tempting lol

[Cheese]

Think the availability and the cost of the 1600 16v Vs the 2l 16v is still the deciding factor for alot of people.. :(

[Rick Draper]

anybody after a good x16xe with box/ecu/loom contact me!!

a 1.6 16v on TBs setup properly with a good exhuast puts out 150-155bhp, you really cant use SBD figures there miles out!!

put another ?600-700 to it with some head work + cams and your talking 175-180bhp, to go above this with higher lift cams then your talking serious money. any cams more meaty than piper270's and you need pocketed pistons, so add another ?1k for that as ul need a rebore + hone. new valve springs would be a good idea with the higher lift cams. and it keeps going from there

Sorry but is it only me that sees this but by the time you have brought a 1.6xe, fitted TB's had it mapped, fitted this and that you cud have a 2ltr xe, fit throttle bodies to that and all the other bits probably at less cost as there are more options for parts and be running 230ish at least at the fly. With the spare money you have left over from buying the engine in the first place you can get the bay seam welded and repainted, job done. Rick

[wrigleys]

I'm also thinking about a different engine,

but surely if you tuning a 1.6 valver beyond 150bhp the reliablity factor will come down, because I'm sure I'm not the only one that uses there nova for communting and the last thing you want is for you engine to die on the motorway or something.

My 1.6 8v lump die in rush hour traffic, on a hill when it was raining!! :evil: (bastad thing) and trying to push it around was no fun :lol:

[Ian]

Nice to be able to delete posts isn't it Ian :!:


wtf are you on about?

[Ojc]

Realiablity is'nt a problem with 150bhp tuned X16XE's.

Vauxhall orignally had this engine running 150bhp out of the factory but was de-tuned due to it embarrising the larger 2.0 units, and of course because of fuel efficency & emissions.

[wrigleys]

where would be the best place to get a X16XE from?

eg: breakers, specialists, donor car?

[Dpnova]

where would be the best place to get a X16XE from?

eg: breakers, specialists, donor car?

Donor car, but that could be more expensive as its a newer engine

[epo]

if u look in the back of auto trader thers a breakers section in there specialist for all sorts

i know in the yorkshire 1 there a vaux breakers at sheffield usually got loads of bits in

[dan_mk1]

corsa forum??

[Dicko]

or i have 1 for sale!!!

[Ian]

corsanova mark

no post has been deleted, maybe if someone was to read the thread with their eyes open they will see that.

you think you proved me wrong about something? wtf

the "deleted post" was a question to ojc asking if the corsa in fast car was off corsasport, and i commented on the quality engine management the 180bhp corsa ran - a superchip.

ps i know 1600 corsas can make over 180bhp, Bat have one over 200 which i have been out in, so just how did you prove anything apart from your paranoia?

[Mark]

:fist:

[Ojc]

Ian, I have'nt seen the Corsa yet but like you said superchips are'nt the best idea for a highly tuned XE.