The fastest Nova in the world

[heds]

Well, I've started with such a bold statement I'd better follow it through.
With the chassis work commencing I thought it would be a good time to start a thread for those who arnt on Facebook on the build of my drag Nova, apart from 1/4 mile racing I'm also going to make a separate attempt to crack 200mph!

On paper we've got this sorted
Power : 1000 plus
Weight : 800kg est

Engine is a z22ler, what's that I hear? It's basically a z20let/h/r engine but using a z22xe block and crank, making it a 2.2ltr z20 engine.
Massive amounts of cash put into this and it should handle the power, engine is ready to be built, more on this later if anyone's interested.

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This is a mock up engine pictured trying the turbo/manifold setup on for size

Body, there's still some Nova metalwork left, but a lot removed and caged, the cage will tag to 8.5 plus it's getting a driver cell which other than a few floor bars almost gets it to a 7.5 tag.
Essential but very expensive !
Currently Ben Speechley (red nova track car I'm sure your aware of) is doing all the fab work, busy removing a roll cage I had fitted but was not happy with, plus removing a bit more.

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Now stripped back he can start putting metal work in there

One piece front end weighs just 12kg and makes access to everything much easier
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The cage we have just removed
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I'll leave it there for now, just wanted to try out using tapatalk also


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[novarally]

Very interesting, thanks for posting this.

800kg seems on the high side, is that due to the amount of tube?

I like the one-piece front, where did you get that from?

[heds]

I'm leaving a bit of room for error, there's a lot of gear going on there mind.
Previously the car was 760kg with f28 & clet stripped out, I'd hazard a guess that the amount of material removed has been replaced with tube but weight savings are made elsewhere also.

If I ever want to compete I'd need to get it up to 900kg believe it or not

One piece front end came all the way from Slovakia, postage cost more than the part annoyingly.


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[total_vauxhall]

Front end looks awsome .
That cage tube looks very big what size is it? 50?
Nice work upto now

[heds]

It was, that cage has been removed now, new one going in very soon


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[torquey]

Gonna be a right weapon that.! Great work.

[carls nova sri]

Carnt wait for updates on this good luck with it

[prs]

awsome build! what gearbox are you gonna use?

[Mxcrazy]

awsome build! what gearbox are you gonna use?

My first thought too!

looks mega, cant wait for updates.

[duick]

Great build!
But to have the fastest Nova/Corsa A in the world, you will have to be quicker than Eljan ;)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eljans-dragrace-Corsa/419359358186599?fref=nf

(https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eljans-dragrace-Corsa/419359358186599?fref=nf)He's doing the 1/4 mile now in 8.8sec !!!

[heds]

I deliberately said fastest and not quickest, Eljans car is seriously impressive and I've got huge respect for him, but I'm not building a car to come 2nd.

Gearbox I've got an m32 with a 4 speed dog kit and sequential shifter



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[heds]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160907/c0fce7e671e8a54ae305eb6fbf7d09b9.jpg

Sqs sequential shifter with gear indication, capable of gear changes in 0.1 seconds

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You can see the m32 being mounted here




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[ShawnAzzopardi]

Dude, seriously, if you're gonna post porn, post it in the 18+ section.

[heds]

Dude, seriously, if you're gonna post porn, post it in the 18+ section.

If that gets you excited you best stock up on hankies bud, plenty more to come


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[turbojolt]

How long till its all bolted up ready to race

[heds]

Who knows, money = time I'm afraid
Once Ben has done all the cage, parachute mount, cradle, wishbones, back axle, engine mounts......
It will come home and I can start putting parts on it, I've got probably 80% of the parts to build the thing.
I'll do a little post on different parts in a minute


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[Edd]

Parachute?

[heds]

Yep, anything crossing the line over 150 needs a chute


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[Mike]

I'm also going to make a separate attempt to crack 200mph!

On paper we've got this sorted
Power : 1000 plus
Weight : 800kg est

While i admire your optimisn theres a bit more to it then just brute force horsepower an weight.

Total frontal mass, drag coeficiency, in gear accerleration, final drive ratio etc etc

[Plug]

I want that front end!!!

Some trick parts look like they will be making onto this.

will be watching this closely

[heds]

While i admire your optimisn theres a bit more to it then just brute force horsepower an weight.

Total frontal mass, drag coeficiency, in gear accerleration, final drive ratio etc etc

Drag Co I've done as much as I can really, closed front end, smooth as possible, slightly pointed.
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In gear acceleration, will have to wait and see how it acts, I've got pretty much the best boost controller there is, it uses a Co2 tank to apply pressure to the top of my wastegate instead of the exhaust pressure doing it, the controller then applies or removes pressure whenever it's calibrated to do it, I can offset boost pressure in any gear at any time against anything I want really, lateral G force, GPS position, throttle position, air fuel ratio but I think I'll be using undriven wheel speed, so the more ground speed my back wheel sees the more boost it applies, amazing bit of kit called AMS2000.
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Final drive ratio I have a choice, there's plenty available in the m32's, currently it has the Corsa Vxr FD of 4.18 which means if I was on a 225/40/18 tyre with 9000rpm limit I'd be able to hit 160mph on the dot in 4th gear using my current gear set, however I'm sending the box back to get an additional 2 gears fitted, I know 5th gear will see me at 178mph but the ratio of 6 is yet to be decided.

However if I fit a final drive from the smaller Diesel engine m32 which is a 3.35 iirc that would see me do 200mph on my current setup and 222mph with the 5th gear and who knows with 6th, of course this is all theoretical and not taking any resistance into account but the numbers look like it can be done.
I managed 169 mph with 250hp on an f28, I'd hope 4 times the power would help a little



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[heds]

Using a handy online calculator if I hazard a guess of a nova having a drag Co off 0.6 (that's the same as some buses) a frontal area 20 sq/ft a weight of 800kg to do 200mph I would need 653bhp


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[paul james]

Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, it looks great already.

[Stuart]

A cd of 0.6 sounds high, but then it's got an untidy underside etc.

Have you considered a roof chop to ger rid of at least 25% of the frontal area and therefore reduce the power requirement or rather reduce the time to vmax.

[total_vauxhall]

Are we talking ET mph here or just top end speed
;)

[heds]

Are we talking ET mph here or just top end speed
;)

Not on the strip, separate challenge.


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[heds]

A cd of 0.6 sounds high, but then it's got an untidy underside etc.

Have you considered a roof chop to ger rid of at least 25% of the frontal area and therefore reduce the power requirement or rather reduce the time to vmax.

I went high deliberately, the sums still show I'll have more than enough power to do it.


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[total_vauxhall]

Sound mate you should get 200 mph no probs with the right gears and wheel size .

[heds]

Roof chop isn't really an option, It would stop me entering most competitions and my head isn't far from the roof now even with the seat down low


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[8valve-craig]

I had a look at this in Ben's workshop with the old cage in. Its in good hands now that's for sure.

Following with interest.

[Iain]

Cracking project thanks for posting here.

[Benn]

Seen alot of your random up dates... But never seen this. Looks like a hell of a bit of kit.

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[heds]

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These hands [emoji85] ha ha



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[heds]

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Chop chop

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Hopefully the removal of metal is about the same weight as what's being put back in with tube


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[Southie]

Cracking work heds, I'm sure you'll achieve your goal. Will this be at totb next year then?

[heds]

I'd like to say yes but only if I can afford it, so probably not [emoji17] there's still an awful lot to spend.
I had a fairly descent budget but absolutely blew it to pieces by purchasing the electronics, BUT other than a Power Distribution Module I've got them all, entire engine build is paid for and parts are there ready to be assembled.


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[MARTIN KELSON]

Look forward to seeing this & hopefully in the flesh to at some point

[BRoadGhost]

Is that the casing for an M32 gearbox with different internals?

[heds]

Is that the casing for an M32 gearbox with different internals?

It is an m32, with a 4 speed dog kit and Gripper diff, still uses OEM input shaft and final drive.


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[BRoadGhost]

Whoa not even a 5 speed; that's going to be STRONG!

[heds]

Whoa not even a 5 speed; that's going to be STRONG!

I hope so, however to do 200mph I'll need to add another 2 gears to the box


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[BRoadGhost]

No idea how this is achieved, can you not just get a custom final drive like a 3.1?

[heds]

I'll just send the box to SQS and have the extra gears installed, easy done.


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[heds]

The most important part, the electronics, and some wiring products, full car loom will be mil-spec.

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44 rolls of Raychem spec-44 cable

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And this monstrous shiny thing is the charge cooler, ice water/dry ice reservoir and 2 huge Bell cores inside, looks like I won't be having a passenger then.

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[paul james]

Thats a hell of a lot of wire! looks like you've got everything planned out well already, is there any part of the car not figured out yet?

[heds]

Thats a hell of a lot of wire! looks like you've got everything planned out well already, is there any part of the car not figured out yet?

Erm, I suppose just putting it all together, got most of the parts just not sure how or where anything is going to be positioned.
Once the shell is home I'll do a dry build, I think I'll install a spare engine and see if I can get it up and running myself on the MoTec, it's something I want to learn anyway.


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[BRoadGhost]

Whoa totally blown away by this - will the engine be dry sump lubricated?

[Stuart]

I love raychem cable and heat shrink, soooo damn flexible and crazy strong

[heds]

It is seriously good stuff, DR-25 heat shrink, ridiculously priced, as is anything mil spec to be fair.
Yes I've got Pace dry sump kit but possibly changing for a Peterson system, I'm having a one off billet sump pan made which will
Incorporate a bottom end girdle for the engine, a bit more strength won't harm.
I'm also after a different style of dry sump pump, one which allows an auxiliary pump to be driven off the rear.

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I'm using a mechanical fuel pump from Aeromotive to keep up with fuel demand and also to minimise electrical circuits.

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Here you can see the fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, a 100 micron filter for pre pump and a 40 micron filter for pre rail

Although I have just bought a 10 micron System One filter which I'll probably use pre fuel rails instead

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Fuel lines are Teflon coated and I'm using the following sizes
-12an from tank to pre pump filter
-12an from pre filter to pump
-10an from pump to post filter
-10an from post filter to fuel rail
-10an from rail to reg
-10an from reg to tank
May seem a bit big but those are specs from Aeromotive to prevent cavitation on the pump.

Fuel injectors I have 2 sets of ID2000 and a set of ID1000, I think initially I'll use 4x1000 & 4x2000's, as long as these cope with the quantity of ethanol , there's always the option of adding a 9th injector pre throttle body or pre turbo.

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[Sturge]

Glad to see that cage gone, that was horrific!

[prs]

that are some really nice parts!
what brand an fittings do you use?

(you've got an private message about that dry sump ;))

[heds]

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I got a bunch of fittings from Torques, real nice stuff for the price however I've not tried using them yet and if there's any doubt to there quality or ability I'll be shooting a message over to Goodridge or Brown & Miller.


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[House]

All my fuel fittings are torques, never had a problem with any of them!!

[total_vauxhall]

Also used torques with my old fuel lines no worrys at all .

[heds]

That's good to know then.



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[_Tomiboy]

The screwed fittings are pretty on a tuning car, but on a real race car better use pressed lines.

[heds]

The screwed fittings are pretty on a tuning car, but on a real race car better use pressed lines.

That could well be the way when the time comes, I'm planning on having Wiggins clamps on the fittings anyway but I'd rather not have something with potential to fail.


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[Southie]

What wheel and tyre combination will you be using then heds? Getting grip will be fun I suspect ;)

[heds]

What wheel and tyre combination will you be using then heds? Getting grip will be fun I suspect ;)

Front tyres are Mickey Thompson ET Drag 26" tall 10" wide and mount on a 15x10 Schmidt th line, and the rears are 15x3.6" m&h.
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I've also got a set of Hoosier drag radial's Incase I need to drive to McDonalds [emoji6]
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[Southie]

Love the maccies wheels, get trays under the back wheels for some hand brake action lol

Alloys look good as a matching set, are they off the shelf like that or were they made for you...

[LEWI007]

This thing will be crazy when its done.

[heds]

There 3 piece split rims so I can make them any width or offset I like by changing the barrels and lips.
It's a big old tyre to fit in a nova arch, just think how big a 17" wheel is on a nova, now imagine another 9" on top of that and that's not to mention the width [emoji47]
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Some trimming is required [emoji23]


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[Mike]

Just a thought but you might want to work out the time an then distance your gonna need to try an hit 200. As you might struggle to find somewhere long enough to even attempt it!

Thats a big ole rolling radius & rotational weight to spin up to speed.

[heds]

Just a thought but you might want to work out the time an then distance your gonna need to try an hit 200. As you might struggle to find somewhere long enough to even attempt it!

Thats a big ole rolling radius & rotational weight to spin up to speed.

Bruntingthorpe would be the best bet, I won't be doing a 200mph run on the drag slicks, I'd use something like an 18" wheel and road tyre


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[Southie]

Will you be using tyre warmers then if using road tyres as they'll need to be pretty sticky I reckon to keep you in a straight line.

[heds]

I cant say Im planning on tyre warmers, a few test runs will get the tyres upto temp im more concerned about stability, im planning on making the rear wheels the same track as the front to help, instead of the common drag stance that see a much wider track at the front only.

[brucer]

Glad to see a proper thread for this rather than just on facebook, more updates needed!!

[heds]

I havnt used the tapatalk app since it was rather poor, certainly much better now.

[heds]

Want some head?
Possibly the best part of the car, and certainly the key to getting the figures I want, and definitely the most expensive part.

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From what I can find those right there are the very first set of +2mm valves for a z20.
Solid lifters, double valve springs, top secret seats, custom cams and port work

Manifold you can see here, big runner, 60mm wastegate priority, v-band real nice bit of kit

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Wastegate is Tial V60-D, specially designed to be used with a co2 controlled boost control system

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And the turbo is a GTX4202r, 1200hp capable

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Just a baby [emoji23]


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[total_vauxhall]

Very nice love the wastegate . Thats the next part to buy on my list

[BRoadGhost]

That turbo could suck him up whole!

[masseyk]

What a fantastic project.....some beautiful parts being used......hope everything works out.....

[heds]

That turbo could suck him up whole!

That's my daughter [emoji23]


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[total_vauxhall]

Are you planning on gas aswell mate or just motor.

[heds]

Shouldn't need the gas, I've got a couple of kits incase
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Only time I would need it would be to help it spool low down, but I'm looking into applications we're people have an injector firing fuel into the turbine compressor to do this, sounds crazy but it been done.


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[total_vauxhall]

Yea also seen that done . Was going to ask you is you had looked at piston ring end gap widths . My new motor has wossner pistons in it and been told by the lad whos rebuilding it for me that first ring is going to need altering .

[heds]

Yea also seen that done . Was going to ask you is you had looked at piston ring end gap widths . My new motor has wossner pistons in it and been told by the lad whos rebuilding it for me that first ring is going to need altering .

I've not, I leave all that to Vauxpro who are building my engine, there's certain things I leave to those who know and don't get involved with.


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[Southie]

What ballpark figure are you aiming at bhp wise then at the wheels?

[Mike]

More money then sense but fair play to you lol

Although you couldve brought an off the shelf 200mph capable car for circa 10k, put another 10k into the motor & 110% hit 200+

[heds]

More money then sense but fair play to you lol

Although you couldve brought an off the shelf 200mph capable car for circa 10k, put another 10k into the motor & 110% hit 200+

That's boring [emoji42]
Learning how to make a car do 200mph is much more interesting


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[heds]

What ballpark figure are you aiming at bhp wise then at the wheels?

I'd like to try and get 1000 at the wheels, but that equates to roughly 1150bhp, possible but will see.
Truthfully we know the power output may be too high, making the power is easy, controlling it is a whole other game.


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[BRoadGhost]

There's a few FWD boosted cars that make upwards of 900BHP Civics & alike; they actually look more stable in a straight line than the RWD runners, just need a big upper body to hold it!

I guess the standard inner CVs then astra big block outers for the drivetrain? Some sort of hybrid shafts cut sleeved welded to suit?

[heds]

There's a few FWD boosted cars that make upwards of 900BHP Civics & alike; they actually look more stable in a straight line than the RWD runners, just need a big upper body to hold it!

I guess the standard inner CVs then astra big block outers for the drivetrain? Some sort of hybrid shafts cut sleeved welded to suit?

Plenty civics running 1000+ now, they can get most there parts off the shelf though.

We are widening the track a bit, using shafts and cvs from a mk5 sri turbo, the fit the m32 and my big block hubs but I know they won't last 5 minutes, some heavy duty stuff will be designed, limiting factor is the nova hub carrier, unless we make some fancy billet items, Vauxpro can take care of that though.


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[Benn]

Can you not use mk4 Astra hub carriers? They are very like nova stuff in set up. But will be stronger and have droplinks for arb and that.

[heds]

Can you not use mk4 Astra hub carriers? They are very like nova stuff in set up. But will be stronger and have droplinks for arb and that.

Steering rack is too low down on a mk4


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[Benn]

Spacer on the track rod end? With a nice drop it might not be to bad on steering arm angle...

[heds]

It would need to be about 6" long [emoji23]
The mk4 has the rack on the cradle


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[Benn]

Oh piss, didn't know it would be that low.

Billet hubs it is then...

[Andy]

Have you won the lottery? lol
this is the kind of thing I'd do if I did lol

[heds]

I've been buying these parts for 3 yr now, I refuse to get anything on finance or go into debt for it.
Could easily take another couple of year to complete.
Just off the top of my head I need a PDM & keypad £2.5k, new oil system £2.5k, there's a billet sump pan & girdle, billet intake, billet rear hubs, billet front hubs and carriers £€$[emoji857]
Maybe 3 yr [emoji23]


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[heds]

Roll cage is GO!

Ben has had the SFI guy out to look at the car and discuss its use and how the cage should be built to comply.

So, it's time to begin, I genuinely cannot wait to see a proper cage in the car
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The part of the floor that had the old cage baseplates on was a total mess
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so even more floorpan has been removed and new pieces made
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I'd call that progress [emoji4]


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[Iain]

What a gay chair

[heds]

There's a Nova with half a floor pan and you pick out the pink chair [emoji38]



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[torquey]

He probably wants it lol.

[Iain]

It's obvious the Nova is insane and amazing. Cant wait to see the cage take shape.

[LDAWSON]

Loving the build heds....

[heds]

Ben got the SFI guy out last week to discuss and confirm certain parts of the cage to ensure it can be tagged to 8.5.

So now he's been I got a bunch of pics sent through today, I'm excited to say the least, feels like some real progress and you can see just how good Bens work is.

We have tubes !

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[nova_niek]

Subscribed. Impressive stuff going on here. :thumb:

[total_vauxhall]

The kirkey seats are the way forward mate

[heds]

Nice work indeed, note the only bit of surface rust inside the lower rear arches, really was a very descent shell!
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Nice and tight to the shell
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I'm a happy man today

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[L14MNP]

Who is making your cage, mate? Any reason you didn't use Stu at AAS?

[heds]

Stu has a very long waiting list, I went up to see him a while back to discuss (been there many times before) and he was seriously just a dick, like I was wasting his time, like why would I not want to put a 8.5 cage in a 1000hp Vauxhall Nova [emoji23] he probably thinks I'm on glue.

Ben Speechley is making it now and I couldn't be happier
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[heds]

Bagged a very nice set of comps, pretty rare size and fitment, will make a nice street/track/trailer wheel when the slicks arnt on.
15" x 8" [emoji1434]

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[total_vauxhall]

They were a good buy them mate .

[heds]

I think so too, not what I needed to spend money on right now but before long we will be making the rear arches wider and needed some road wheels to build round.


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[Iain]

That green one looked proper on them nice buy

[Southie]

Are those a split rim wheel?

[heds]

No the comps arnt, my Schmidt wheels are a 3 piece.


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[Southie]

No the comps arnt, my Schmidt wheels are a 3 piece.

Must be the angle of the photo, nice wheels though.

[Benn]

Ben Speechley is making it now and I couldn't be happier


I think that is a very very good thing!

[heds]

That I'm happy? Thanks Benn [emoji12]


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[Benn]

That Ben S is doing it. Everything i see of His is bloody awesome and so we built and designed.

[heds]

I know mate [emoji23]

Have another pic of my new wheels, I love them [emoji7]

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[scottmasterton]

I'm leaving a bit of room for error, there's a lot of gear going on there mind.
Previously the car was 760kg with f28 & clet stripped out, I'd hazard a guess that the amount of material removed has been replaced with tube but weight savings are made elsewhere also.

If I ever want to compete I'd need to get it up to 900kg believe it or not

One piece front end came all the way from Slovakia, postage cost more than the part annoyingly.


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Loving the build :) what was the full spec at this point?

[heds]

Thanks Scott, previously the engine was fully forged and ready for 500hp but never got anything other than a hybrid KKK fitted, it did well though, in a stripped out car it did the 1/4 in 12.8@115mph at York Raceway, sure there's a couple vids on YouTube if you search for heds28.

Popped to Bens last night (5.5hr round trip [emoji37]) to sit in the car and measure up for the door bars and seat position
Cage looks great in the flesh, we threw some ideas around, well I come out with some crazy ideas and Ben knocks me back down with some realistic facts but it will all work out in the end.
Once main part of cage is fully welded up he's moving onto the front subframe, this I'm very much looking forward to, one thing I want to be able to do is get the complete engine and box out in under 5 mins [emoji41]


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[Benn]

Where are the photos?

[heds]

I didn't take any, no change from the last few I posted.


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[total_vauxhall]

You pick the brake cylinders up mate ?
Cheers

[heds]

Yep, meeting Al tomorrow mate [emoji1360]


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[total_vauxhall]

Mint cheers mate

[total_vauxhall]

Is car going to be ready for next years race season mate

[turbojolt]

Still not finished? Lol keep it up mate going to be awesome when it's all done

[heds]

I doubt it will be ready next year, I reckon I've easy got another £10k to spend, which is gonna take time.


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[heds]

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How crazy does it look here [emoji48]

Visited Ben at Hangar 30 the other night to see the progress and get measured up for seat position and door bars.

It's looking great

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Cage will be tagged to 8.5 sec but on top of this he's adding a driver cell, just for a bit extra safety, next step up from 8.5 is 7.5-8.49 which looks pretty much like a Pro-mod cage and would involve cutting the floor pan out, if I ever got to the point it did 8.5 I think I'd be looking at starting on another car with a lot more safety cos that shit is shifting!




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[total_vauxhall]

Very nice cage looks like its coming on well

[Iain]

Safety cell looks great. Does it not need to steer at all?

[heds]

It won't have great deal of lock but we are yet to add more width to front track and some castor which will give a bit more room for wheel/tyre movement.


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[Benn]

Crazy. Awesome. Love it.

[heds]

Had a bit of downtime at work so made a start on some of the electronics.
Been making the initial part of the loom for a while now, got a connection to Ecu and some flying tails with a comms port and CAN connection.

Rigged up a fused 12v supply, managed to get the Ecu talking to the laptop and even calibrated both the air temp and coolant temp sensors, got the data live on the screen so happy with that, it's certainly a start to what's going to be probably the hardest part of the build for me.

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However there is a lot more to it than just the Ecu, all these devices need wired in and have there own associated inputs and outputs, luckily the devices talk to each other over CanBus which is a simple two wire circuit between each device.

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[nova_niek]

Sweet. Look forward to reading more about this. Not clued up on canbus at all so any info and experience is welcome.

[Stuart]

CAN, no bus :p lol
The harness is "easy" but time consuming to get right/tidy etc

[c20tbo]

Its a lot simpler if the Dash will read direct from the ECU from a simple comms port.

[nova_niek]

CAN, no bus :p lol
The harness is "easy" but time consuming to get right/tidy etc

I know I know, CAN stands for Controller Area Network. The bus is what you use after a night on the piss. lol

[heds]

Why you saying no BUS?
A bus (including the kind you get on after a night on the piss) is simply something that carries something from one place to another.
The network is using a BUS to carry information, a twisted pair of wire.


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[turbojolt]

I believe it's a not so clever play on words.


Grow up Stuart.

[heds]

Its a lot simpler if the Dash will read direct from the ECU from a simple comms port.

The Ecu, dash, expander and CDI unit can all talk to each other over Canbus, it's fairly simple.
I'm hoping by the time I come to need it the AMS boost controller will have the ability to talk to the MoTec also.


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[Stuart]

Always get this lol
Does control area network bus, sound right to you? Plus it was alway and is always (in the automotive engineering world) just plain old CAN, the bus bit was nailed on the end by marketing types. Yes individual networks are referred to as busses and the term bus on and bus off is used but he name is just plain old simple CAN.

anyhoo, if you need any help with setting stuff up in the bytes/dlc/ Id realm, give me a shout as its what I used to do with the exotic cars etc I worked with (automotive electronics and systems engineer, now working on crappy rail projects)

[heds]

Always get this lol
Does control area network bus, sound right to you? Plus it was alway and is always (in the automotive engineering world) just plain old CAN, the bus bit was nailed on the end by marketing types. Yes individual networks are referred to as busses and the term bus on and bus off is used but he name is just plain old simple CAN.

anyhoo, if you need any help with setting stuff up in the bytes/dlc/ Id realm, give me a shout as its what I used to do with the exotic cars etc I worked with (automotive electronics and systems engineer, now working on crappy rail projects)

Well it's definitely something I'd like to learn more about, if you know of any good online sources? one thing I'd very much like is to be able to get the AMS boost controller to read the CAN between the MoTec devices and pull the data from there, NLR who make the AMS say the capability is there to use CAN but it's not been fully implemented yet.


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[Stuart]

I'll see whats about, but when I've looked in the past online resources for CAN have been pretty vague/poor :( There is a little on megasquirt forums etc but they tend to aim at a protocol called CANOpen (or OpenCAN, cant remeber which way round it was) which aimed to simplyfy an already very simple system, and ofcourse made a lashup of it lol

Sounds like NLR have put the hardware in place to use CAN but not written the code. Are they UK based? and would they want some "help" to get it working on their system?

[heds]

I'll see whats about, but when I've looked in the past online resources for CAN have been pretty vague/poor :( There is a little on megasquirt forums etc but they tend to aim at a protocol called CANOpen (or OpenCAN, cant remeber which way round it was) which aimed to simplyfy an already very simple system, and ofcourse made a lashup of it lol

Sounds like NLR have put the hardware in place to use CAN but not written the code. Are they UK based? and would they want some "help" to get it working on their system?

I found very little online myself, even looked for online courses I could do.
NLR are American based, he's a very clever guy from what I've seen but I think the code writing he has someone else who does it, I could certainly ask him but when I last asked when CAN would be available he said there about to roll out V4 software update then CAN is one of the next things to look into.
Would be great if the AMS could view all the sensor information from the ECU over 2 wires instead of extra wires for every sensor.


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[Stuart]

It's nice and simple if AMS can tell you what format they expect the data to be in, and if they ahve particular ID's they want etc. or even better if its configurable.

Might start a thread where I brain dump what I know of CAN lol

[heds]

It's nice and simple if AMS can tell you what format they expect the data to be in, and if they ahve particular ID's they want etc. or even better if its configurable.

Might start a thread where I brain dump what I know of CAN lol

I'd subscribe !
Can't imagine many Novas using Can [emoji23]
I'd even send you some beer money, knowledge is valuable!


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[Stuart]

Just stalked the kit you have from MOTEC and their documents, seems they are well setup for CAN (makes sense really) just a little vague as to how their software sets it up, but its not hard to spy on the network if you fancy dropping another £250 on a KVASER CAN-USB interface from sweden (https://www.kvaser.com/product/kvaser-leaf-light-hs-v2/), then you have a very useful tool for watching whats going on in there to make NLR's job way easier :D

Oh wow, KVASER updated their site with this gem
https://www.kvaser.com/can-protocol-tutorial/

I'm not writing anything now lol
The only caveat I'd put on the MOTEC docs is that they say you need a 100ohm resistor between CAN H and CAN L, but 120ohm is the "norm" for very stable operation.

[heds]

How does that work then?
I assume that's a 'sniffer' that I've heard of.
Connect it to the bus and it detects messages ?


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[Stuart]

pretty much, you can also send messages too if you want to test something
No idea if there are cheaper/homebrew tools like this but as far as "industry" goes, Kvaser are the cheapest while still being regarded as good. Dont even look at Vector prices lol it'll make motec look like cheap tat :D lol

[heds]

Had a CAN discussion today, he refused to say BUS too [emoji23]
I think network and bus are very similar items without getting into the nitty gritty of there definitions.

Also got into a huge and rather heated Facebook post over wether I need the AMS boost controller and why the MoTec can't do it alone.
Too much to fully explain here unless someone actually gives a damn.

Spoke with the owner of NLR who make the AMS and CAN is last on his list to do, annoyingly [emoji20]

But on another note (and project), I got the Broon Loon home

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[total_vauxhall]

Whats the plans for the brown loon
Id love one

[heds]

Breaking it, I've got a brand new saloon shell to build, this brown one only has 14k miles and been in a garage since 97, everything is like new, except the chassis.


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[total_vauxhall]

Is the shell goosed like mate . Only ever had one loon and sold it dirt cheap always wanted another

[Stuart]

Lol why you needs extra boost controlzzzzzz tbh I wondered too, but don't care as its your build and your plans etc so if it works it works.

shame nlr aren't looking at CAN :( I'd offer help if he wants etc

[heds]

Lol why you needs extra boost controlzzzzzz tbh I wondered too, but don't care as its your build and your plans etc so if it works it works.

shame nlr aren't looking at CAN :( I'd offer help if he wants etc

I asked that and said you offered but he totally brushed over the offer, he has other things he wants to roll out before the CAN
I have heard of these little Gizmo's that take an analogue voltage and put it out over CAN


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[Stuart]

Isn't that what one of your motec boxes are, the e88 or something?

[nova_niek]

Some time ago the MightyCarMods boys did a Subaru estate with an EJ36 engine (quad cam flat 6) with lots of Haltech modules in it. Seems to me these modules do something similar i.e. convert an analogue signal into a CAN signal. Having said that, I am under the impression not all CAN signals are interchangable and that you can't go mixing and matching CAN boxes of different makes.

[heds]

Isn't that what one of your motec boxes are, the e88 or something?

The E888 is an expander, gives me a bunch more inputs, not that I needed them but it does take upto 8 thermocouple inputs which the Ecu can't do, so I'll be monitoring exhaust gas temps per cylinder.




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[heds]

Some time ago the MightyCarMods boys did a Subaru estate with an EJ36 engine (quad cam flat 6) with lots of Haltech modules in it. Seems to me these modules do something similar i.e. convert an analogue signal into a CAN signal. Having said that, I am under the impression not all CAN signals are interchangable and that you can't go mixing and matching CAN boxes of different makes.

Yeh I've seen the Haltech and racepak stuff use al separate little modules to make up a network, why I'm not too sure, seems a long way to do things.
Again my CAN knowledge is basic, but I believe as long as you can get the devices talking the same language at the same speed on the same network you can get anything to talk, it's finding those details that's a bit tricky.


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[L14MNP]

Some time ago the MightyCarMods boys did a Subaru estate with an EJ36 engine (quad cam flat 6) with lots of Haltech modules in it. Seems to me these modules do something similar i.e. convert an analogue signal into a CAN signal. Having said that, I am under the impression not all CAN signals are interchangable and that you can't go mixing and matching CAN boxes of different makes.

Supergramps!

[Stuart]

The E888 is an expander, gives me a bunch more inputs, not that I needed them but it does take upto 8 thermocouple inputs which the Ecu can't do, so I'll be monitoring exhaust gas temps per cylinder.




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i read the manual for that and it implied you can drive some outputs over CAN too.

niek, you're right that not all CAN is equal, as there are speeds, addresses, data layouts and message lengths at hand, but with the sniffing tools like kvaser you can work it out fairly fast, or use the Internet as many are well geeked lol

[heds]

Bens doing a fab job, see what I did there [emoji13]
Very happy with the drivers cell

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Certainly going to feel a lot safer climbing into here than before

I bet that wasn't the easiest piece of tube he's ever shaped

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[total_vauxhall]

Looks the bees knees that mate. You going for tubed rear end of car aswell ?

[Iain]

Have been enjoying your pics on Instagram. The driver looks nice be safe now

[turbojolt]

My God the cage reminds me of nascar

[Southie]

Hopefully you don't need that cage when it's needed but hats off to the guy who's making it, looks a fantastic job indeed.

[heds]

The cage is or will be tagged to 8.5 but the drivers cell is an addition and not necessarily required but it's almost a half way between an 8.5 & a 7.5.
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[heds]

Drivers cell is now complete as well as the whole main front cage, next step is to knock off the spot welds holding it in place and dropping the cage out of the back to fully weld round the tubes

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Looks safe that's for sure

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I think Ben is planning on doing the back half next, time to choose some coilovers [emoji16]

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[total_vauxhall]

Love it mate top job

[nova_stee]

No offence but your previous cage was a bit if a let down to the engine spec but fuck me this new cage is amazing if i was you id be just sitting in it for hours when its home

[heds]

None taken, I didn't make it but I must of been blind, it was just hard to accept after spending around £1800 that the work was shit, lesson learnt I guess.


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[benpoppy22]

Mate what a truly stunning build that will be.
Can not wait to see more in the future.
Were did you get that front piece made is it a mould you took or an off the shelf thing .
My friend has his own carbon fibre shop he did alot for ginetta racing and that would look so nice in carbon fibre i wont to make one is there away of a mould or the place to buy the piece from.
Obviously if its your mould we would pay to use it and give you a free carbon one also.
Cheers ben👍

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[heds]

Mate what a truly stunning build that will be.
Can not wait to see more in the future.
Were did you get that front piece made is it a mould you took or an off the shelf thing .
My friend has his own carbon fibre shop he did alot for ginetta racing and that would look so nice in carbon fibre i wont to make one is there away of a mould or the place to buy the piece from.
Obviously if its your mould we would pay to use it and give you a free carbon one also.
Cheers ben[emoji106]

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Cheers mate [emoji1360]
It was made by a company in Europe and its 1 of 5 I believe, there's 2 in the U.K. I imported both of them and the other went to a friend.
I'd love to discuss some carbon work however [emoji4]


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[mk1nova_rich]

Fuck me that cage looks the business, impressive stuff :cool:

[heds]

Cheers Rich, hopefully some updates coming soon, just ordered some custom rear coilovers so I'd expect we will see some tubes in the rear next.


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[Benn]

Yay.

[jonn]

nice work. is the 2.2 block open deck? do you have much strengthening done to it? i am getting a forged engine built this year and running a Gtx3076r but trying to decide if i should use a z20leh block and wedge it or use a c20xe block as its closed deck then just get under piston oil jets fitted.

[heds]

nice work. is the 2.2 block open deck? do you have much strengthening done to it? i am getting a forged engine built this year and running a Gtx3076r but trying to decide if i should use a z20leh block and wedge it or use a c20xe block as its closed deck then just get under piston oil jets fitted.

Yes it's open deck but wedges have been installed to strengthen it.
The z20let block is stronger and a lot cheaper than the leh but the c20 being closed deck would certainly be stronger again.


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[Brasso93]

Yes it's open deck but wedges have been installed to strengthen it.
The z20let block is stronger and a lot cheaper than the leh but the c20 being closed deck would certainly be stronger again.


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simply the sole reason for me building mine with a c20 is just for the closed deck

[steveboyslim]

simply the sole reason for me building mine with a c20 is just for the closed deck

The later block are cast from CGI material, the bores do not wear as badly as the XE/CLET block so wedging a later open deck or a closed deck XEV block would be the better option.

Steve

[heds]

Mate what a truly stunning build that will be.
Can not wait to see more in the future.
Were did you get that front piece made is it a mould you took or an off the shelf thing .
My friend has his own carbon fibre shop he did alot for ginetta racing and that would look so nice in carbon fibre i wont to make one is there away of a mould or the place to buy the piece from.
Obviously if its your mould we would pay to use it and give you a free carbon one also.
Cheers ben[emoji106]

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[total_vauxhall]

Sorry to hack the thread but any chance of carbon roof skins??

[BRoadGhost]

^ I feel there would be a market for them

[heds]

Carbon roof skins is something I'm looking to do myself, hoping to get my hands on a new skin soon to make a mould from


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[Benn]

I believe i bought the last new skin for me. Haven't seen anywhere with them in stock since...

[heds]

I know somebody with one he said I can have


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[Benn]

Ah ok, thats very good then.

[heds]

Some custom Gaz Golds for the rear arrived at Hangar30
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We decided to ditch the single Kirkey in favour of a pair of these Kirkey seats
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Next up Ben is starting with the rear end tube work [emoji1377]
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[total_vauxhall]

Very nice mate

[heds]

I called in to see Ben at Hangar 30 the other day as I was in the area, back half is looking awesome as is the drivers cell which I seen in the flesh for the first time, very happy with the work indeed.

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[total_vauxhall]

Looks awsome mate .

[bazzap8389]

Brilliant, coming on well!

[nova_niek]

Some serious scaffolding going on there. :d :thumb:

[BRoadGhost]

Superwonderful!

[Benn]

As said, it looks awesome.

[c20lettim]

Has anymore progress been made on this?

[heds]

I'm currently waiting for some custom billet rear hubs to be made before Ben can crack on with the back axle and rear end.
But here's a few pics to keep the ball rolling.
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[nova_stee]

Is 2018 the year for this nova to debut

[heds]

Who knows, all comes down to time and money [emoji383]
A recent promotion at work may increase my income but it also increases the amount of time and effort I spend there, catch 22 really but once it's home from Hangar 30 I can start putting some bits on it so at least it will look like we are getting somewhere.


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[House]

Fuck!!! Ben is good looking!!!

[heds]

Why else would we use him? [emoji7]


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[jamie rigby]

This is mega, hats off to yer!

[BRoadGhost]

What top speed are you aiming for / would be content to achieve?

[heds]

What top speed are you aiming for / would be content to achieve?

I want to crack 200mph!

I don't mean on the 1/4mile mind.


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[BRoadGhost]

I see was watching this the other day:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbvtjglhCWE&t=497s

200mph in 1/2 mile

[heds]

Once again Ben pulls it out the bag, rear end almost complete, just waiting on my custom hubs so he can do the back axle.

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You can see the mounts for the parachute and wheelie bars here

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Rear gearbox mount, the box is also mounted to the chassis rail from the top and will have one on the front also.

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Drivers side engine mount

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Happy boy indeed


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[totalnova]

What's the reasoning behind the wheelie bar? Will you be using it to preload the front suspension? Ie shift the center of gravity forward and over the front wheels for better traction?
Nick

[total_vauxhall]

Cars looking awsome mate great work . hope you have it done for next year . and get to a few of the events mate .

[BRoadGhost]

1st rate work; any weight behind the driver's going to be a good thing.

[heds]

What's the reasoning behind the wheelie bar? Will you be using it to preload the front suspension? Ie shift the center of gravity forward and over the front wheels for better traction?
Nick

It's technically not a wheelie bar of course but it will stop the back end squatting down which in turn will load up the front like you say.
May not be required but I'd rather have provisions for it done now.


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[heds]

Had the SQS M32 upto Vauxpro today to take a look inside and inspect the gears, strange looking set that's for sure
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Gonna need an extra gear or 2 in there still

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And defo need to upgrade that bearing and end casing


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[boffer8]

Whats the reasoning behind turning the pivot point 90 degrees on the front suspension rear arm?

That's a serious looking gearbox! the gears look sooooo wide!

[heds]

Whats the reasoning behind turning the pivot point 90 degrees on the front suspension rear arm?

That's a serious looking gearbox! the gears look sooooo wide!

All will be revealed in due course [emoji6]


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[BRoadGhost]

Gears look almost straightcut - very good!

[heds]

Gears look almost straightcut - very good!

I thought they were straight cut until I opened it, semi helical though.
Still need to get 2 more gears put in there yet.


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[BRoadGhost]

You mean a mishmash of longest cogs?

IT BETTER BE DOING 200MPH AT 3,000rpm lol

[heds]

You mean a mishmash of longest cogs?

IT BETTER BE DOING 200MPH AT 3,000rpm lol

No the gears are custom cut anyway I can choose what I want on 4th & 5th to work with my tyre size and get the speed I need.


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[BRoadGhost]

Wow; super exciting - shall we say then a McLaren F1 crushing 245MPH :)

[heds]

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Ben has started on the front end, the part I'm most excited about!!
Hopefully get my hands on the custom rear hubs from VauxPro this weekend.


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[Benn]

Love that! That mani is mental.

[BRoadGhost]

Size of that gearbox!

[total_vauxhall]

Coming together mate . Very nice

[heds]

I can't wait to get it home and start wacking some bits on it, will look something else then.


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[heds]

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Well Ben has been a busy boy indeed, work on the front end is underway.

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Gearbox supports look strong enough?

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[total_vauxhall]

Im looking forward to seeing the lower arms etc with the engine bed mate . Awsome work

[BRoadGhost]

Ha! Could support the entire weight of a vauxhall nova on that front splitter tubing! Looks outrageously wide too.

[heds]

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It is a bit wide [emoji15]

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[BRoadGhost]

It'll wanna be at over 230MPH!

[heds]

230 ? [emoji15] pushing it a bit 🤣
Maybe when the car gets to stage 3


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[BRoadGhost]

1000HP & ground effect front end must be 220MPH surely - that 600hp housebrick MK2 astra does 196mph!

[BRoadGhost]

Sorry - 186MPH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EukjwQ5BBNw

[heds]

Big massive huge difference stepping up from 200 to 210 never mind 220.
At the end of the day it come down to the gears really, I’ll have plenty power


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[BRoadGhost]

Exactly - that and aero. Think about Mclaren F1; that only had 650HP but could reach 243MPH.

That MK2 Astra is now 900BHP & topping out in 6th on an F28 as I understand it; remarkable for an ecotech!

[heds]

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Armed [emoji1377] (yes there the wrong way round in that pic)

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These should be a fair bit stronger than the stock setup don’t you think?

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Work of art by Hangar30 I’m sure you will agree, just waiting to get the rear hubs finished by Vauxpro then once they have went down to Ben he can do the rear axle.
Then it’s coming home for a dry build, can’t wait.


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[Balley]

Amazing work so far. That front end should stand some serious power!

[total_vauxhall]

Awsome work that mate . Them bottom arms look the buisness

[nova_niek]

Pornographic welds as usual. Top work.

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[BRoadGhost]

Fab looks fine, however since you are sharing this publicly I can only advise redoing the chassis mounts to AT LEAST run the 1/2" bearings in the vertical not (as you have it) horizontal plane.

Generally people really dislike such input for two reasons:-

1] Who the f is this guy & what would he know?
2] The work is now done & f redoing it

So I'll just speak from real world experience.

I've broken a VERY similar RJ arrangement this year, under load at just 70MPH; granted it was during braking, but if you're pushing 200MPH this would not be anyway strong enough imo.

I now run these 3/4" bearings & have made sure the load runs through the round section of the bearing, as they were intended when designed. (Can only report good things).

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[heds]

Fab looks fine, however since you are sharing this publicly I can only advise redoing the chassis mounts to AT LEAST run the 1/2" bearings in the vertical not (as you have it) horizontal plane.

Generally people really dislike such input for two reasons:-

1] Who the f is this guy & what would he know?
2] The work is now done & f redoing it

So I'll just speak from real world experience.

I've broken a VERY similar RJ arrangement this year, under load at just 70MPH; granted it was during braking, but if you're pushing 200MPH this would not be anyway strong enough imo.

I now run these 3/4" bearings & have made sure the load runs through the round section of the bearing, as they were intended when designed. (Can only report good things).

http://img.techpowerup.org/171127/p1080497.jpg

I’ll certainly raise this with Ben and see what he thinks, can you send me some pics and details on the setup you used and broke please?


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[heds]

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And it’s ready to come home, for now.

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Can’t wait to see it

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[heds]

As you can see the custom billet rear hubs (not 100% finished) from VauxPro are now on and Ben has completed the rear axle.
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Very happy with how the rear end has come together
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[boffer8]

Looks awesome fella, cant wait to see the progress on this now its back... surely with all the bits you have it'l just be a giant meccano set?! lol

[heds]

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Time to get a few bits put on and see how it looks [emoji48]


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[total_vauxhall]

Unreal !!
good work mate

[novarally]

Great photo, really looking forward to seeing the next steps.

[torquey]

The size of that turbo gonna be a monster this. Great work.

[heds]

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Out for some fresh air today

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[totalnova]

Looks brilliant and that turbo looks like it could eat children. :eek:

[heds]

No huge updates other than I got some bits zinc coated

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And the axle and front subframe powder coated

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And reassembled to get it rolling

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Had a nightmare job of having to wire wheel the entire cage down as it had started to oxidise, took days upon days but now coated in a washprimer

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May not be any huge progress for a while as I’ve just sold the house so I’ve got to put everything into storage for a year until the new house is ready, hopefully be able to continue with other things in the mean time
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[total_vauxhall]

Some top work there mate . Im nealy looking forward to seeing this on the track as much as I am my own lol

[BRoadGhost]

Coated parts look ace; you might consider vertical bolts dropped in from the top (should the worst ever happen).

That turbo & manifold should be good for huge horsepower; but the inlet is to come..? Will the corner weights be alright with you & all the tube surrounding on the drivers side?

[BRoadGhost]

Did I ask before (apologies if so) is there a good reason for going ecotech as a starting point or is it just for ease of M32?

[heds]

Did I ask before (apologies if so) is there a good reason for going ecotech as a starting point or is it just for ease of M32?

M32 would be same for on a red top.
Main reasons being older heads are getting hard to find and old blocks are a softer material they wear a lot quicker.


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[heds]

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So this happened


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