is it an MOT failure to have your car de-handled?

[wrigleys]

just wanted to know cos I'm thinking about doing it

[mark_GSi]

its not, but u need a a way 2 get in if your alarm goes wrong

[Ben]

its not, but u need a a way 2 get in if your alarm goes wrong

A brick.

[wrigleys]

as in??

( not a brick )

[Ben]

I think he means a pop switch or solenoid.

At the end of the day you can get into a nova in under 30 seconds without damaging a thing regardless of handles or locks.

[Nova-Flair]

could leave the boot lock on??? might look a bit daft tho with the rest of your car de-locked etc

[dikharvey]

You need a way of opening the door from the outside when it is not locked. A soleniod is ok so long at it is NOT connected to the alarm. Meaning you cannot use a boot popper funtion on your alarm to do it. It must be wires straight from live source to switch to solenoid.

[Stuart]

is anyone else feeling the flat battery vibe here lol

a brick will be needed at some point :wink:

[Fester]

wire the door solenoid circuits down so you can expose it underneath the car and jump them open with a battery if needed (will this work?)

[?Marty?]

All you need for MoT is to be able to open the door from the outside.

All this 'it must be mechanical/button on car itself' is a load of crap. It doesn't matter, all that matters is that you can open the door to get in.

Mine is delocked and dehandled and the drivers door is opened by the alarm key fob. This was fine for an MoT done at a Vauxhall Main Dealers.

And is fine by the local police. (Aprt from one **** who kept telling me otherwise, but declined to do so when i said 'i tell you what, write me a court summons for it and we'll see what happens').

[Ste_Nova]

is anyone else feeling the flat battery vibe here lol

a brick will be needed at some point :wink:

my clifford starts the car if the batt is going flat

[Stuart]

does it do the ironing too?

[wrigleys]

so I need to hide a button somewhere like under the car or behind the front bumper.

this all sounds a bit dodgy as if anyone see my opening the car like this they can just come up and do it themselfs when I'm not look or if it's in a car park etc.

I'm starting to have second thoughts as to whether it's worth it :cry:

[Alex]

no, because the car will still be locked. Pushing the button will be like trying the handle with the doors locked. the worst they will be able to do if flatten your battery by continously pressing it (solved by getting an alarm with current sensing)

[wrigleys]

sounds like a man of exprience :lol:

[Alex]

im currently doing this mod as we speak.

[Ben]

Cambridge- i wouldnt get a clifford to do your ironing as they have a tendancy to burn, do make a lovely cup of tea though.

[?Marty?]

My Clifford looks great in a pink thong.

[burgo]

i saw a pretty trick golf that wen he unlocked it the drivers window came down and he opened it from the inside handle gd idea me thinks

[Neil.]

yeah but if he wants to get into passenger side then he has to open his door, get in and open passenger, ok this post dont make any sense as my passenger door is de-handled and i have to do the same, opps! :oops:

[Serialkilla]

You could always use a system from a TVR.
Or find a wiring diagrame and see how TVR have dehandled there cars.
Its worth a look. :D 8)

[smooth16v]

i got both doors de-locked and de-handled and got me boot flushed and i got a cliffford alarm and i wired up the boot pop to pop the door open!! and i got through my M.O.T cos they said if i get stopped say the doors got done after the M.O.T!! and if u get locked out the u panic!!

[djp_y2k]

if anyone tells u it wont pass its mot then they are pretty stupid.

working on that therory any tvr over three years old must have to be scrapped, due to not having door handles.

Your best option is to mount a button under your mirror. that way there is a way of opeing the door.

[?Marty?]

Your best option is to mount a button under your mirror. that way there is a way of opeing the door.

Unless some fuckin cretin kicks your mirror off/steals it, etc.

Best thing (for drivers side) to do is to run it off the alarm.
You won't have people pissing about with it (possibly draining the batterry, but just being damn fuckin annoying nonetherless) after they've seen you do it, there's less solenoids in the door (since you don't need the central locking one no more), it's less likely to fail/you're more likely to replace the battery in the key fob/have a spare one, and etc.

If you have a 'boot pop' output too, have that for the passenger side, and the central locking output for the drivers side. Have the boot 'pop' via a switch inside.

[Chris]

you do need the central locking though. all the solenoid does is relace the action you take by pulling the handle up. if the door is locked and the button is pressed then the solenoid is pulled and it is just like pulling your handle. no effort is required so if you have a decent battery then you will have to do it for hours before the battery goes flat. so long as the button is not held down and the solenoid doesn't burn out there no problems[/quote]

[Chris]

i am not sure on the truth on this but. i have heard that it needs to be clear from the outside the car how to get in i.e usually a door handle. i was told to put a rally style sticker reading "door open" on the mirror with an arrow pointing down to the button. supposedly this is in case you are in an accident and are unconcious and someone tries to get you out. with no handles? i dint bother with mine, but never had it MOT'd with not handles

[Alex]

you do need the central locking though. all the solenoid does is relace the action you take by pulling the handle up. if the door is locked and the button is pressed then the solenoid is pulled and it is just like pulling your handle.
exactly in which case as you don't have an exterior means of getting into the car(except a key fob) therefore you don't need to even lock the doors.


i am not sure on the truth on this but. i have heard that it needs to be clear from the outside the car how to get in i.e usually a door handle. i was told to put a rally style sticker reading "door open" on the mirror with an arrow pointing down to the button.
Wank. or in other words no this isn't right.



Open and close the drivers and passengers' doors. Check that each latches securely in the closed position. Check also that front doors can be opened from both inside and outside the vehicle. However Reason for rejection does not apply to front passenger doors if the door aperture has been permanently 'filled' as part of a specialised customisation provided that there are no obvious aperture gaps.

[Chris LR]

You'd still need the brick if you crashed.....

and no you don't need to lock doors

and if you thought there was no point in posting that, look at my post count :P

[Alex]

oh, yeah you may still need a brick as your electrics may not work. but at least its legal. My de-handled doors are at the bodyshop right now

[Serialkilla]

To get over the flat battery feeling you can mount a emergency bonnet release cable and hide it some where, where you can get to it the car is looked up. So all you have to do then is pop the bonnet attach jumpleads and bingo your in!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris LR]

Alex at the same time as it being Legal, it may also be Fatal.

Do you love your car enough to die in it? Not that it's likely to happen, but you never know.

[Alex]

a seat i saw at trax had a washing line hidden behind its headlight for this purpose. it wasn't dehandled - its bonnet relase just didn't work properly :lol:

[?Marty?]

Whats dehandling your car got to do with loving it enough to die in it!?

People lock their doors from the inside to stop others from opening them at traffic lights and grabbing something from inside, or whatever. Indeed, it is a feature on almost all thatcham approved alarms with central locking.

What happens if you become unconcious in a crash then!? And even tho the alarms that have this feature normally unlock the doors once the engine is switched off, what if it's still running? Since you could wire it up to pop the door open when engine is switched off (no it wouldn't happen if you stall the engine - not that that's something that should happen anyway if you can drive properly) and etc.

Having handles on the doors aint gonna do fuck all. And if you are unconcious, the crash is likely to have been quite severe, in which case your dorrs probably wouldn't even open anyway, with it only being a shitty nova.

I was arguing about this with a copper, who decided to tell me it's not legal having no handles (whether a button is on car itslef or not), and 'to prove his point' he said ''so if we smashed the window, and pulled this (referring to the door lock pin), would we be able to get in?'' - ''erm NO, you'd have to pull the door release latch'', i replied. And he claimed it wasn't legal in THAT case. Until i pointed out the fact that it is just as simple to pull one as the other and that you'd only have to smash the three quarter window to gain access, rather than the whole window, and that on most newer cars the door lock and door release are housed together in the same place, so you'd even have to reach for the same place. And that if i was unconcious in the car, i wouldn't want someone smashing windows next to my head anyway.

MY SUGGESTION TO DELOCKING - fit the door lock pin on the OUTSIDE of the door (would need to be slightly angled) and have the rod connected to the door release latch. You could even use an alloy one with alarm indicator led's in it or whatever.

[Alex]

Alex at the same time as it being Legal, it may also be Fatal.

Do you love your car enough to die in it? Not that it's likely to happen, but you never know.

If ive had a serious crash in my nova i would be dead. they are not the safest of cars. safety wise they are shite. A door handle would not make a differece IMO becasue the door/ car would be crumpled and the door would be inoraprative anyway no matter where you were hit in a seriois crash hadnle or not. Chances are that you would have to be cut out anyway.
I do see your point if it were a safe car though.

[wisewood]

thinking about delocking for the missus' nova, all seems simple enough to me really.

there are enough ways to get into a nova without having to break a window that removing the locks and handles still leaves a couple of methods...

a simple button on the inside of the wind or something would do nicely... hidden away so that you can just walk up - press it and in you get!

[CP]

Quite often in an accident doors are either popped open or wedged shut. If the accident is bad enough they just come along and cut the roof off etc anyway. Having a handle on the outside is neither here nor there. I would have thought having some kind of handle inside is the important thing?

[wisewood]

yeah, must have a mechanical way to GET OUT of the car otherwise if you drove into a river (accidentally of course) and shorted out the electrics you would be all to buggery especially if you had electric windows too :o *glug glug*

[Neil.]

lol at this post, back tot he original question, no u dont need handles but u do need a way of getting in, of course!
Ive kept my drivers handle on coz i couldn't be arsed with soleniods and kids pressing them all time.