Pros and cons of a pedal box

[bazzap8389]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the pros and cons of having a pedal box. I've seen them in various track cars etc and was wondering if it's something worth doing as I know nothing about them. Any help would be great .


cheers

[bazil]

No servo and if improperly set up you get a stiff as fcuk pedal and no brakes lol

Set up properly you get great feedback and stopping power,

[Southie]

If yours is going to be a road car then I wouldn't bother.

[bazzap8389]

So not worth it then? I'll be doing some track and drag with it. Tbh probably won't be on the road that often, I won't be taking it out in the wet at all and it's always raining up here lol

[dgbnova#1]

Keith Massey is running one in his sr its the cable clutch one and he runs that on thee road, I've never driven one myself so no idea. It's a full floor mount job so no servo or balance bar so good weight saveing there plus tidy engine bay.

[bazil]

Biggest advantage is the ability to bias the brakes, a bit of rear bias and left footing is fun in the snow, or if you want to run huge front calipers you can get a cylinder to suit while keeping the rear normal, much easier to plub in a hydraulic handbrake etc

I posted a guide in articles if you fancy a wee read at it
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?176197-*-INFO-*-Pedal-box-set-up-and-adjustment-and-bedding-in-procedures

[bazil]

Keith Massey is running one in his sr its the cable clutch one and he runs that on thee road, I've never driven one myself so no idea. It's a full floor mount job so no servo or balance bar so good weight saveing there plus tidy engine bay.

I ran the one under the bonnet, the one on the floor would give epic space for a charge cooler or side mounted turbo above the box

[bazzap8389]

I'll be using 280mm wilwood up front and Astra gte rear discs. That's what I was thinking Dave it will tidy it up a bit.

The turbo I have is side mounted think I have to cut away a bit of my new inner wings :(
ill check it out bazil cheers

[_Jake]

Not much help but i'll be running one in my MK1 floor mounted, the standard setup is utter ****e, think of all the power you loose through the leverage...

[bazzap8389]

Is there a kit you can buy that has everything that i would need for this set up? If so where's best to buy? Cheers

[dgbnova#1]

There is a kit will see if can get details, its ether cable clutch or hydrologic so adapts to what u need depending which one you need

[dgbnova#1]

http://www.obpltd.com/Pedal-Boxes/Pro-Race/Floor-Mounted-Bulkhead-Fit/3-Pedal-Unit-BHF

These are one setup, good site to loads of nice stuff

[bazil]

http://www.compbrake.com/pedal-boxes.html

[mowgli]

Not much help but i'll be running one in my MK1 floor mounted, the standard setup is utter ****e, think of all the power you loose through the leverage...
most of the trouble is down to poor adjustment of rear brakes, or if discs are fitted, poor bias.

i plan to fit a corsa b rear load valve, in line with my dual circuit brakes, but fit an adjuster to it so i can play with rear bias.

as for the std brakes, they are pretty good for their age, but remember that they were designed for a 70hp car on 155r13 tyres.

[8valve-craig]

Worth considering your seating position, as a floor mounted box with forward facing cylinders will sit further into the car than your original pedals. This means moving the drivers seat, gear lever and handbrake back then extending the steering column.

You could get one with rear facing cylinders, but would need to fab up a false floor, and it will sit higher and most likely foul the steering UJ unless modified.

Here is how I did mine. I cut into the bulkhead and made a recess for the cylinders to sit in, then made up a frame for it to sit on so its level and can handle a good stamp on the brakes if required.

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/smith9051/Nova%20on%20bike%20carbs/IMG_3226_zpsd1cc003c.jpg

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/smith9051/Nova%20on%20bike%20carbs/IMG_3229_zpsb3b6d7a3.jpg

My main reason for fitting it was because I wanted the space under the bonnet for an oil tank though. I would say unless its a full on no compromise track car leave in your standard mech and just fit a bias box under the bonnet.


Is there a kit you can buy that has everything that i would need for this set up? If so where's best to buy? Cheers

If you do decide to go for one I can put you in touch with a guy who makes them and sells them as complete kits at a very good price.

[Edd]

If you want to tidy up the bay/create space, you considered a corsa B servo conversion?
Loads cheaper as well

Cutting new inner wings for a turbo don't sound to good tho lol

[dgbnova#1]

Think someone mentioned earlier in ure build thread about cutting ure inner wing for intercooler booooo

[8valve-craig]

Edd

If you want to tidy up the bay/create space, you considered a corsa B servo conversion?
Loads cheaper as well

Good option for a road / occasional track car, but arguably less tidy than standard

[bazzap8389]

Thanks for the links etc :)

Craig, did you have to move your gear stick etc for the correct seating position? Or has the modification you've done on the floor good enough? Thanks for the pics very helpful :)

yeah I don't want to cut the inner wing but it's got to be done that's where the turbo sits, I've got a spare inner wing anyway lol

[Peredur]

Craig has moved the column, gearstick and handbrake due to the pedals

[bazil]

Under bonnet version I had fitted,

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/a21.jpg (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/Bazil_2468/media/a21.jpg.html)

[bazzap8389]

Craig has moved the column, gearstick and handbrake due to the pedals
Ah ok cheers.

do you have any pics from inside the car bazil?

[sport]

Ive bought the same style as Bazil has for my sport.

[8valve-craig]

Ah ok cheers.

do you have any pics from inside the car bazil?

Yes I moved it all back. Page 32 of my build on Migweb has the whole job documented.

[bazzap8389]

Ive bought the same style as Bazil has for my sport.
Is it a straight swap over? No moving the column and handbrake etc?

Yes I moved it all back. Page 32 of my build on Migweb has the whole job documented.
Thanks I'll take a look.

[sport]

Should be a straight swap mate, I think the reason the floor mounted version has folk moving column. gear stick and handbrake is it makes the seating position further back.

[bazil]

Direct replacement mate, apart from the brake lines but the diagram for that in in my earler link,
Protec do the bottles and incar adjuster too,

[bazzap8389]

Have you got any pics of the one you are using sport? And nah pics of your fitted bazil? The link you sent just takes me to the main page of the brake bits not an actual kit if that makes sense. Cheers

[bazil]

http://www.compbrake.com/cars/vauxhall/nova/-2743.html

But that does not include bottles or adjuster

Protec links,
http://www.pro-tecmotorsport.com/partsDetails.cfm?id=33
http://www.pro-tecmotorsport.com/partsDetails.cfm?id=35
http://www.pro-tecmotorsport.com/partsDetails.cfm?id=37

Imo call protec and tell them your after the full setup, ask them what cylinders are best for your brakes set up,
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/a22.jpg (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/Bazil_2468/media/a22.jpg.html)

To fit it is simple, undo the 4 nuts that hold on the standard servo, undo the clevis pin and remove the standard setup and fit the new one, pluming is different, only 1 line out of each cylinder, so run one line to the rear,into a T piece and then to each side, same at the front.

Or follow this way running areoquip lines inside the car and fly off handbrake or miss that out if prefered,
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/old%20mag%20scans/brakes6.jpg (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/Bazil_2468/media/old%20mag%20scans/brakes6.jpg.html)

There is absolutely NO modifications required to anything inside the car using this pedal box, it uses the standard pedal setup

[bazzap8389]

I've been looking into this again, I've decided I want one that mounts like under the battery tray, and have the bottles and adjuster where the battery would sit if possible? I really need the space where the original servo would sit. Any recommendations? Or will I be best for a universal set up of some sort?

Thanks

http://www.compbrake.com/pedal-boxes/universal/-3035.html

Will this do the trick?

[novarally]

I've been looking into this again, I've decided I want one that mounts like under the battery tray, and have the bottles and adjuster where the battery would sit if possible? I really need the space where the original servo would sit. Any recommendations? Or will I be best for a universal set up of some sort?

Thanks

http://www.compbrake.com/pedal-boxes/universal/-3035.html

Will this do the trick?

I would avoid anything which features the word 'universal'. It just means it won't fit anything properly.

Your best bet may be a Corsa B bias pedal box, which mounts where the original Nova battery is located.

You will need to do a bit of modifying of the Nova brake pedal to activate the master cylinders.

There is a (small) chance that I might be selling the Corsa B bias pedal box and modified pedals I have in my Nova, as I may have another plan.