major engine failure? gte nova

[shaunboy84]

i was driving to work , then suddenly the car cut out, so i pulled over and turned the ignition off, left it for a few mins then tried to start it again, major noise coming from the engine then it would go over 2/3 k revs, so i managed to get it to work then home, checked the oil pressure light and it was at 3/4 then it went to half, checked the oil and it was a little creamy on the cap and a little bit inside, i also noticed the earth cable from the altenator to the body had snapped to, so i went out to try start it there, and nothing, just the fuel light, battery light,came on , it had a new battery a month ago any ideas?

[shaunboy84]

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[Southie]

Take your plugs out and see what colour they are.

The cambelt may have slipped so whip the cover off.

Possibly the headgasket though, when did you last change the oil and do you only do short journeys?

[shaunboy84]

yeah just to work and bk and thats only 4 miles each way, i checked the cam belt its still on the marks it was set at, i was just topping up the oil, the nova was gettingg treated to a new sump, rocker cover gasket oil filter n new oil before the mot on the 24th :( what plugs ? ignition or spark plugs mate?

[Southie]

Spark plugs to see what colour they are.

If you've only been doing short journeys and not changed the oil for a long time it may have emulsified.

Worse case scenario though is the headgasket.

[shaunboy84]

ok will go check the spark plugs mate cheers, am thinking oil pump to :(

[Pistol Pete]

Replaced the broken earth cable?

[shaunboy84]

i havent yet pete, i just checked the spark plugs, plug on starting from left to right of the block, plug one, little oil on the outside off plug, a brown coating on the four ground electrodes, where the gasket it is on the spark plug its a black charcoal colour on each plug, plug 3 and 4 smelt off petrol

[Andy]

whereabouts are you?

[shaunboy84]

glasgow mate

[dc1984]

Gutted mate, hope it's nothing major.

[shaunboy84]

i think it is, :(

[dc1984]

I will ask a few of the farmer lads I know if they have any engines laying about for ye.

[shaunboy84]

uncle bazil should :)

[dc1984]

Lol why don't ye borrow his gsi turbo setup;) I'm sure he wouldn't mind letting you run it in for him:p

[shaunboy84]

haha a wish :P

[dc1984]

He doesn't need it the now anyway;) lol

[shaunboy84]

just gutted mate , 21 days before mot as well :(

[dc1984]

Ano bud, it's a total gutter

[shaunboy84]

been offered a c20xe , i will see what the price is :P

[dc1984]

If I had thought about it I would of stayed with a small block engine mate, just my opinion tho bud.

[shaunboy84]

nice weather has came out, it was getting painted after the mot as well :(

[waggygsi]

widna valver it ither in my opinion lol but its upto you boss!! much is the valver for sale

[Spudly]

Replaced the broken earth cable?




This, get the earth sorted before you think of ripping the lump out, short drives where the engine possibly doesnt get up to temp or go very high in the rev range can cause condensation in the engine which can cause milky mayo deposits!

And a poor earth will cause alsorts of running issues and gremlins, get that sorted and fire it back up to see what it does, if youre lucky it might just need a new earth (and all the others checking/replacing) and a service!

[dc1984]

If your free tomorrow jump past my garage and take my spare earth lead if you want mate

[Southie]

widna valver it ither in my opinion lol but its upto you boss!! much is the valver for sale

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[shaunboy84]

lmao cheers southie , just invested in new earth straps, :)

[shaunboy84]

wheres your establishment mate :P
If your free tomorrow jump past my garage and take my spare earth lead if you want mate

[Southie]

Try the earths, clean the plugs but still be careful because if you have done damage to it you don't want to make things worse, the petrol soaked plugs will be from trying to start it all the time when you had trouble getting it running.

[shaunboy84]

very true will clean the plugs up for better spark.... i hope :P

[dc1984]

Just in Barrhead mate, bazil knows where it is if he is free.
It's next to tesco supermarket.

[shaunboy84]

oh a know where u are :P

[dc1984]

You will see my nova in the corner;)

[shaunboy84]

i hope its only outside cause its been sunny haha

[bazil]

The wire from the altenator to the engine is a must have item, if its snapped or not conected your battery will not charge, the battery light will still go out as normal with the engine running tho, it's a sneaky fault that catches many folk out.

Seeing how the whole engine requires a steady electrical feed it could easily play up with a dying battery.

The noise from the engine? How did that sound?

Oh and love DC volunteering my bits to you lol

[dc1984]

The wire from the altenator to the engine is a must have item, if its snapped or not conected your battery will not charge, the battery light will still go out as normal with the engine running tho, it's a sneaky fault that catches many folk out.

Seeing how the whole engine requires a steady electrical feed it could easily play up with a dying battery.

The noise from the engine? How did that sound?

Oh and love DC volunteering my bits to you lol

What can i say bazil, i'm good hat way lol

[shaunboy84]

uncle bazil your some guy , new ones ordered :) sounded like a tractor haha mind u my downpipe was blowing so that contibuted to things :(

[Adam]

Oil/Water mix on the oil cap isnt bad enough for a headgasket failure IMO
Probably just damp from short drives and cold weather.

Get the earth fixed and then go from there, might just be a simple dizzy/coil fault!

[dc1984]

uncle bazil your some guy , new ones ordered :) sounded like a tractor haha mind u my downpipe was blowing so that contibuted to things :(


Is that you sorted now mate?

[shaunboy84]

no mate not yet weekend on it to try get it fixed

[bazil]

To be honest these little 1600's are quite strong, I'd be surprised if there is any serious damage,

I've got a few things to do on Saturday ahead if crail but could pop over for 10 mins if you want?

[shaunboy84]

am using this as my daily at the moment lmaooooo

[shaunboy84]

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[shaunboy84]

the only thing vauxh linked about this tht its a gsi ahhahahaha

[shaunboy84]

changed the earth cables on the battery to body , then alternator to engine block, still didnt turn over, the fuel put comes on , turn the key to fire it up nothing, i didnt hear the starter motor click so i think thats the case what do u think?? there is a 1/4 tank of fuel still in it

[dc1984]

Mibby ask a friend to tap the starter while you turn it over?

[shaunboy84]

dont know anyone with one that would fit :(

[conza123]

dont know anyone with one that would fit :(

what do you mean, all you need is a long metal bar (long extention will do) and rest it on starter and tap end with hammer

[shaunboy84]

can u do that urself?
and turn the key at the same time hahahha

[dc1984]

Sorry Shaun you misunderstood me there, I meant hit it lol

[shaunboy84]

hahahaha you think it will start then ?

[dc1984]

No harm in trying it mate if it's not making a noise. You don't need to batter it just give it a chap a few times while someone turns the key over.

[shaunboy84]

sweet maybe it will, just bought a gsi starter motor there anyways :)

[shaunboy84]

i hit the starter motor a few times, turned the key and it started, rough as f**k iding, so i took the egr valve off and it was jam packed with black gunk, obv its carbon, so i cleaned that, gave it a start again, and its still idling like s**t then dies :( i also changed the earth strap to the battery and the earth strap from the alternator to block ,

[bazil]

Take the rocker cover off and check for broken rockers, I've seen one snapped before,

[shaunboy84]

will that cause it to drop off revs and die?

[bazil]

Can make it run like a bag of crap because the valves won't be operating properly if the rocker is broken,

If they are fine then you'd need to look at compression, try to eliminate as many things while the engine is still in the car,

To be honest if only 1 cylinder went down it would still run on 3 so I'm guessing in the dark here just now,

[shaunboy84]

yeah i will take the cover off tmoz mate, will need to look at compression test, basically if its the rings or the bores are scored its a engine rebuild :(

[therealnovaboy]

when you get the car running pull each injector connector off one at a time. if you pull one and the note of the engine doesnt change then that is the cylinder that is not running right. ie fuel/ignition/gasket/valve problem

If you pull them and two cylinders next to each other are not changing the note of the engine. do a compression test

if you pull them and the note changes each time. check the timing marks.

if its struggling to rev up then my guess is the timing belt has jumped a tooth. if it was an oil pressure problem the engine would be knocking by now.

if its knocking change the big end bearings

[shaunboy84]

i checked the marks and they line up, i will try bazils method then i will try your method :)

[therealnovaboy]

Id try my method then bazils method as you dont need tools with my method.

[shaunboy84]

sweet will do after work, i dont even know where to buy stuff for it , i.e piston rings etc if thats the case

[therealnovaboy]

chances are its not the case and youll get everything you need at a motor factors.

[shaunboy84]

ok cheers mate, a will end up stripping it and inspecting everything,

[shaunboy84]

purchased a fuel filter, am going to fit it tomoz, trying to try everything tbh

[therealnovaboy]

Did you try what I suggested?

[meritlover]

purchased a fuel filter, am going to fit it tomoz, trying to try everything tbh

have you tried everything or are you just trying to try?

[shaunboy84]

not yet novaboy but i will try your method 2moz after i fit the fuel filter, its doing my head in, its either break it for parts or drop a diff engine in it :)

[therealnovaboy]

You'd be better fixing the one you've got. If its not knocking and it's starting but running rough it can only be a couple things.

Its probably not the fuel filter.

[shaunboy84]

time will tell mate, spoke to a mechanic today and he thinks it might have skipped a tooth

[therealnovaboy]

I think it has. I thought you said you checked it?

[Southie]

^ that was commented on before...




The cambelt may have slipped so whip the cover off.


With said reply...

yeah just to work and bk and thats only 4 miles each way, i checked the cam belt its still on the marks it was set at, i was just topping up the oil, the nova was gettingg treated to a new sump, rocker cover gasket oil filter n new oil before the mot on the 24th what plugs ? ignition or spark plugs mate?

Are you able to do any of the mechanically stuff yourself? Because if your trying to fix this on the cheap I think your going to struggle.

[shaunboy84]

hi mate i took the rocker cover off and i was presented with two cam followers out off position , so cracked the cam carrier off, positioned the cam followers back into position, but one off the cam followers that hld it in place fell into the block :( so kinda back to square one :( timing marks still inline, so what shall i do, yeah i have the tools and mechanical background

[shaunboy84]

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[meritlover]

i dont understand what fell into the block? i didnt think anything would fit down the drain holes. Is it not just floating about the top of the head?

even if it has, just drop the sump and fish it out. it's in there somewhere.

[meritlover]

that looks broken. get another one

[shaunboy84]

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[shaunboy84]

the cam follower sits on a circle piece of metal that as two grooves either side and a cut out in the middle, yeah if a get a magnetic tool a could possibly get it

[meritlover]

yes, these parts have all been broken. likely by some gross over revving at some stage in its life.

chuck some used followers on it and see if it fires up before spending any more money on it. You will likely get away with it.

[shaunboy84]

i dont have any spare haha will need to invest hope its a quick fit, the sump is knackered anyways so i will fit my new sump and new oil :) hopefully its not stuck in the drain hole,, fingers crossed :) cheers for the replys guys and your knowledge much appreciated

[meritlover]

i cant believe its taken 8 pages to find this.

[shaunboy84]

i know lol silly me haha

[bazil]

WHOOO WHOOOO I WAS KINDA RIGHT lollollol

[shaunboy84]

as always, its getting sent way to get the timing belt done, water pump, head skimmed, new head gasket, my new sump fitted,possibly ported to :) and new cam followers bazil haha

[meritlover]

so after all that, you're sending it away regardless?

[shaunboy84]

yeah makes sense mate , its a investment for the future, just had a talk with my mate there

[meritlover]

i wish youd sent it away earlier rather than get people put effort into helping you.

[shaunboy84]

chill mate , its getting sorted now,

[bazil]

i wish youd sent it away earlier rather than get people put effort into helping you.

But in getting others to help on this thread the guy has learned quite a few things in that process,
If everyone just gave their car to someone else to fix straight off the bat then there would be no need for mechanical sections on forums,

IMO you learn nothing by not trying to fix problems yourself,

[shaunboy84]

cheers mate :) life is a learning curve as they say :) :)

[meritlover]

IMO you learn nothing by not trying to fix problems yourself,


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