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For those who run EPAS on their nova, is it worth fitting it?
The rack I have is 2.5 lock to lock quick rack, I have corsa B full EPAS set up and AK transducer,
Is it worth fitting it or just use another rack instead?
I drive a combo C with EPAS and to be honest the steering feels dull with little feedback.
For's and again'st please :)
i dont think its worth the hassle to be honest, been in novas in the past with epas, a mod that was a must years ago just to say you had it, but bit crap
13k miles, several track days and all sorts of driving and I love mine.
Was that with a quick rack fitted or standard ratio rack?
I found it a ballache parking with a quick rack, living with it everyday was grim
better for motorsport use
if you get the steering 'weight' right, i'd say its a good idea... but if its set too light, there is no feel at all, then its like a citroen picasso & thus, crap
better for motorsport use
On the A and B roads where I live the q-rack was simply awesome, but in town it's grim,
The novas you had driven were they standard racks or Q-racks?
I've driven some very aggressively diffed Novas with quick racks and tyres ranging from high perf street res to semi slicks and never felt the need for assistance with the steering and I'm no beefcake lol
if you get the steering 'weight' right, i'd say its a good idea... but if its set too light, there is no feel at all, then its like a citroen picasso & thus, crap
I'm torn between speed sensetive or manual adjuster if I go ahead and fit it ?
Kind of leaning towards manual adjuster,
I've driven some very aggressively diffed Novas with quick racks and tyres ranging from high perf street res to semi slicks and never felt the need for assistance with the steering and I'm no beefcake lol
Eh I weigh 65 kg lol, I struggle to lift a F28 box lol
Needing all the help I can get I feel,
drove road nova with std rack /epas, which in my eyes wasnt worth the money to set up, but q-rack in rally car i drove was good, but the rally suspension helped with it,
perfect for hard driving which helped with heavy steering into shape corners, but if its a daily car im not sure
My Corsa B with EPS is **** compared to my mum's honda jazz with eps!
The honda has more weight and feel to it, so im guessing a vauxhall eps system with adjuster will make best of both worlds?
drove road nova with std rack /epas, which in my eyes wasnt worth the money to set up, but q-rack in rally car i drove was good, but the rally suspension helped with it,
perfect for hard driving which helped with heavy steering into shape corners, but if its a daily car im not sure
It'll be a XE and quick rack, and used on the track too, I have the black one for comfort so this one will be the toy
My Corsa B with EPS is **** compared to my mum's honda jazz with eps!
The honda has more weight and feel to it, so im guessing a vauxhall eps system with adjuster will make best of both worlds?
That's what in hoping for, sometimes I feel on the combo that the EPAS can be slow to react too and hits tight spots, hopefully manual adjustment would cure that,
Either way with or without EPS column i would never use standard nova rack with million turn to turn
brainsnova
26-03-13, 12:18 AM
The fun of driving a nova is part of the steering
Got epas with manual adjuster with standard rack on mine. I loves is, but I do have a twenty million tonne engine.
Have you even weighed it hobbit? Axle weights style ?
Not sure I want to know. lol
lol, any overloaded front axle gen??
Was that with a quick rack fitted or standard ratio rack?
Quaife quickrack and Corsa EPAS column straightened using the Corsa double UJ. Running off a manual 'Rallywiz' adjuster with dial on the dashboard.
Even on the 'heaviest' setting it's too light really but it's so quick and easy to turn in I love it. Looks easy enough to wire it into speed sensitive as well as a controller to get your preferred steering feel though.
Wind it up and you can turn both wheels on the floor with just the boss and no wheel which is handy for when I'm pushing it about.
Cheers for that Iain
I shall have a good read at your build thread later :)
Mines all ready to go with a AK transducer
No idea when I will actually be using the Sport again tho lol
Personal preference, but I can't see the point in the adjuster thing
I think it's more suited to the rally boys?
On gravel with wheels spinning trying to get traction the feeling would be all over the place with the speed sensor controling weight maybe?
The whole thing where the faster you go it gets heavier when ecu gets reading from vss is bollocks imo
On the Bs & Cs I've had the steering weight never changes no matter what speed you're doing
/\ and in a normal non power steering car, the steering gets lighter the faster you go, so in an epas car, it compensates to give a consistent 'feel' for people who really couldn't care a stuff how these things work, namely, women.
meritlover
26-03-13, 04:12 PM
The whole thing where the faster you go it gets heavier when ecu gets reading from vss is bollocks imo
On the Bs & Cs I've had the steering weight never changes no matter what speed you're doing
That's the whole point of it.
mk1nova_rich
26-03-13, 04:59 PM
I wouldn't bother with EPAS personally, Novas really don't need it even with a quick rack
chrisd1986
26-03-13, 06:23 PM
is there a guide on how to fit it on here and how do you get around the ignition barrel location? and also which is the better unit corsa b or c?
I've heard the C unit is more reliable but it's a bit bigger/heavier I think.
Ignition barrel position, don't fit the cowling lol
i must of put 10 hours of effort in to get the barrel/cowling to line up like OE, mega mega hassle
had to chop another nova column down line it all up, cut the corsa outer column and weld together
i better like it when i finally drive it lol
Got epas with manual adjuster with standard rack on mine. I loves is, but I do have a twenty million tonne engine.
You still run a Mk2 fuse box too yes? Does it all fit ok in? As i've heard people they the motor hits the fuse box?
i must of put 10 hours of effort in to get the barrel/cowling to line up like OE, mega mega hassle
had to chop another nova column down line it all up, cut the corsa outer column and weld together
i better like it when i finally drive it lol
See that's what's been stopping me fit one. Is it really that bad to get it all to line up?
it is bad to do yes
but now ive done one i could do one easy again, could sort you with measurements/pics etc if you did want to do it
Guessing mk1 and 2 are in the same place still...
Mine having a let,F28 and large drop means my steering is bloody heavy and my column needs changing anyway.
yeah same place, i even tried a mk2 cowling on there to check
you got all the bits to do it? Rich/Novasport is selling a full set up...
No, i have nothing. Almost bought it a while back with wasn't sure.. Need to know about the mk2 fuse box prob too.
Don't think I have any probs with fuse box. Will go and have a look and see how tight it is.
Please.
I've been very temped with it. If fitting a man adjuster easy?
I've heard the C unit is more reliable but it's a bit bigger/heavier I think.
Ignition barrel position, don't fit the cowling lol
I have a C EPAS column i bought in error, i wouldnt say its light... lol
Novasport
27-03-13, 08:47 PM
On the Corsa B column it is just the holes do not line up for the steering lock. I would say the easiest way to sort it is cut a rectangular piece out of a spare column and weld it in to the hole. Then you can cut a new hole.
I have a complete setup for sale with the speed sensor ;). See the FS section.
Just the steering lock? Mines so far out the wheels upside down when it goes on anyway..lol
Novasport
27-03-13, 09:03 PM
Where it clamps on, so the barrell will sit in a different position and not in alignment with the cowling
Southie
27-03-13, 09:27 PM
I loved my quickrack, I'm a skinny mini though and would have liked the extra powers to move when parking as the quickracks are a nightmare lol
I loved my quickrack, I'm a skinny mini though and would have liked the extra powers to move when parking as the quickracks are a nightmare lol
This is my thinking too lol, I loved the quick rack when moving but hated it at slow speeds
Where it clamps on, so the barrell will sit in a different position and not in alignment with the cowling
Ah i see, bugger.
I'd really like to do this mod too.
On the Corsa B column it is just the holes do not line up for the steering lock. I would say the easiest way to sort it is cut a rectangular piece out of a spare column and weld it in to the hole. Then you can cut a new hole.
I have a complete setup for sale with the speed sensor ;). See the FS section.
I tried that, main top bit that bolts to the bit coming off the shell don't line up then
So is the C one better to use?
Corsa C has different steering wheel fitment, splines etc
So is the C one better to use?
They dont fit straight up to a nova rack and as edd said you need a C specific boss. I can PM you some detailed pics of mine if you like
Don't think I have any probs with fuse box. Will go and have a look and see how tight it is.
Any luck? Do it hit the fuse box?
They dont fit straight up to a nova rack and as edd said you need a C specific boss. I can PM you some detailed pics of mine if you like
Please.
Sound the like Corsa B one is better to use...
phunkynova
18-04-13, 06:15 PM
I've Just got Rich's EPAS setup today I will have a look at fitting it this weekend.
Anybody know how to wire one up ?.
Any tips on fitting one into a Nova (lhd).
does this help?? lifted from an astra forum...
Wiring is only 7 wires;
Permanent live - thick red via a 50amp fuse
Switched live via a 10amp fuse
earth - brown
rev counter signal - green
speed signal - blue/red
These 2 are optional:
dash warning light - black/green
diagnostic plug - brown/white
you need a speed sensor on the gearbox, but that's a mk2/corsa sort of thing so not exactly in my area of knowledge
phunkynova
18-04-13, 07:52 PM
Well those are the colour wire I have,
I hope it works !
Thanks Mogli
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