View Full Version : Making a nova pick up
Hi just wanting to no if anyone's got any info on how to make one cheers
Southie
05-03-13, 12:18 PM
Have a look at Burgos old project CLICKYME (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?140357-my-pick-up-from-years-ago)
http://www.parkinplant.com/images/Mr-Skill-Makita-Angle-Grinder.jpg
lol
http://www.parkinplant.com/images/Mr-Skill-Makita-Angle-Grinder.jpg
lol
Think I mite take one of these to the saloon at the weekend
paul james
05-03-13, 04:31 PM
Theres currently a tidy looking and mostly finished one on ebay, worth a look...
thats what gave me the idea and only being offerd 100 for my loon so no loss really
chrisd1986
05-03-13, 05:05 PM
al post some pics up of my mates one that his brother built just over 10 years ago now and its still going strong
If you got any questions just pm me. Ive built 3 now
If its a 4dr, do it as they make better pickups IMO, (what ends up as) the cabin has a better shape.
If its a 2dr, don't lol
Southie
05-03-13, 08:53 PM
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/twag/4968800512fff566d7f68c1797a6f9db996.jpg
Is this the only car site that isn't aware of the IVA test?? lol
Is this the only car site that isn't aware of the IVA test?? lolnope **** loads more ford ones lol
nope **** loads more ford ones lol
lol They're not so slack on Retro Rides.
It's not worth the risk now imo.
Southie
05-03-13, 09:08 PM
Is this the only car site that isn't aware of the IVA test?? lol
This, the first line says it all really lol: http://www.iva.co.uk/
Is this the only car site that isn't aware of the IVA test?? lol
What's this lol
lol They're not so slack on Retro Rides.
It's not worth the risk now imo.bloke at work built a fibreglass anglia and no iva on that lol just mot'd it and uses the original plates from the mould car
lol
A lot of it depends on where you live/what VOSA checks are like imo.
There's barely any up here, guess I'm just a little bitch.
That Anglia sounds fun.
With the 4l range rover v8 it is lots of fun.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/20130128_133049.jpg
I assume this is well known about, and/or doesn't mean quite what it reads, as I've never heard of it. but just found this on the vehicle approval guide:
When does IVA not apply?
• Agricultural or forestry tractors, their trailers and interchangeable towed machinery, together
with their systems, components and separate technical units and trailers designed and
constructed specifically to be towed by them.
• Quadricycles.
• Tracked vehicles.
• ‘Incomplete’ vehicles (except until April 29th 2014 in respect of an incomplete Heavy Goods Vehicle)
• Old vehicles (i.e. passenger cars and light goods vehicles over 10 years old and large goods
vehicles over 25 years old).
Is there any info online about the IVA, as in whats tested or the requirements?
With the 4l range rover v8 it is lots of fun.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/20130128_133049.jpg
Looks superb.
My mate has had all variations (bar the 5.0) of the RV8 in his Dolomite, and the torque and noise are amazing.
**** knows what a FG Anglia will be like! lol
What's the story on the Lada, running a Fiat twink?
Is there any info online about the IVA, as in whats tested or the requirements?
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/overview
info PDF a couple of pages in.
Nope st170 engine on bike carbs with an escort backend great fun bit of kit.
The anglia has to be seen to be believed. Without being told you would never knkw its fibreglass, the workmanship is on another level, body lines and gaps better than original. Seemless joins between metal and the fibreglass just ridiculous. All built by one bloke In his double garage
Nope st170 engine on bike carbs with an escort backend great fun bit of kit.
The anglia has to be seen to be believed. Without being told you would never knkw its fibreglass, the workmanship is on another level, body lines and gaps better than original. Seemless joins between metal and the fibreglass just ridiculous. All built by one bloke In his double garage
That Lada sounds amazing! Hats off to the Anglia builder for that level of finish and building it at home. :)
I happen to know retro ford are building a lada at the mo with full mk2 escort running gear and a 2.3 duratec
therealnovaboy
07-03-13, 07:39 PM
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novalovingned
07-03-13, 07:53 PM
Not sure on nova pickups. Never actually seen a very nicely finished one tbh. Always fancied a mk4 astra pickup converted from the van. Again never seen one of these either lol
/\ i always wanted to do a pickup made from a mk1 or mk2 astra estate but they are rarer than a ginger jew
camels toe
07-03-13, 08:11 PM
Mowgli ive got mk1 and 2 estates.Plus a chevette estate. Never seen a ginga jew tho so you may be right.
I say build what you like and **** em.Ive still not read of anyone actually getting pulled over and done for it although everyone on the `net is bricking it (including myself in the past tbh).
of course its not illegal to modify a car's shell.... it just needs doing well enough to satisfy the powers that be
camels toe
07-03-13, 09:44 PM
But if you go along with that quote above cars over 10 years old dont need one anyway. Although i would like to see some sort of test for modded cars as some of the `welding` ive seen on some projects horrifies me. I just dont think it needs to be so strict and i dont see why you should loose your numberplate for a Q. Or it cost over 500 quid.
Unfortunately a clued up cop can put a prohibition notice on any car, that is highly modified from the manufacturers original specifications, and insist on it being examined to determine its roadworthy ness. Cutting the roof off a car to make a pickup drastically changes it's construction and safety integrity. If a car is examined and the cops determine that its unsafe, the driver can be prosecuted for using a vehicle in a dangerous condition. Just so you know. I'd buy an old vw caddy if I were you! Only way to satisfy the authorities is to put it through an IVA test, which will cost an absolute fortune. In the region of 600 to 700 pounds by the time it's done.
brainsnova
08-03-13, 12:48 AM
Remove the boot lid = instant pickup
TeddyThom
08-03-13, 05:51 PM
Not sure on nova pickups. Never actually seen a very nicely finished one tbh. Always fancied a mk4 astra pickup converted from the van. Again never seen one of these either lol
Don't fooking tempt me as I have a mark 4 astra van I will getting rid of soon.
Jon_nova1
08-03-13, 06:00 PM
I was going to do this to my MK4 Astra estate with the intention of having it road legal, so i spoke to my MOT man
He said it doesn't need an IVA technically but for a legit MOT it would have to be re-registered as it would fail for having missing panels and not being registered as it is, in order to have it registered as that the easiest way is if there was a pickup version in the model range, strangely he recommended registering it as a kit car as the next easiest followed by having it tested as i highly modified car.
I was going to do this to my MK4 Astra estate with the intention of having it road legal, so i spoke to my MOT man
He said it doesn't need an IVA technically but for a legit MOT it would have to be re-registered as it would fail for having missing panels and not being registered as it is, in order to have it registered as that the easiest way is if there was a pickup version in the model range, strangely he recommended registering it as a kit car as the next easiest followed by having it tested as i highly modified car.
Doesn't make sense mate. MOT check for worn or defective parts, quality of repairs etc, not modifications, different to IVA or the older system for kit cars. You change a car from its type approved form it becomes a one off car and needs to be assessed to determine if it is legal and safe for the road. Only applicable for cars constructed, manufactured or modified after a certain date (don't know what it is though).
I was going to do this to my MK4 Astra estate with the intention of having it road legal, so i spoke to my MOT man
He said it doesn't need an IVA technically but for a legit MOT it would have to be re-registered as it would fail for having missing panels and not being registered as it is, in order to have it registered as that the easiest way is if there was a pickup version in the model range, strangely he recommended registering it as a kit car as the next easiest followed by having it tested as i highly modified car.
both of which, are the purpose of the IVA test.
Insurance can be a killer when a radically modified vehicle is declared as a kit car.
Jon_nova1
08-03-13, 07:13 PM
So when a car fails its MOT due to the exhaust being louder than manufacterers specification, what's that?
and yes, but both go different routes and have different outcomes, convert the Nova to a pickup, give me a shout when it comes back, it's not like i want it to be hard, i want to do a conversion myself on an Astra
I was going to do this to my MK4 Astra estate with the intention of having it road legal, so i spoke to my MOT man
He said it doesn't need an IVA technically but for a legit MOT it would have to be re-registered as it would fail for having missing panels and not being registered as it is, in order to have it registered as that the easiest way is if there was a pickup version in the model range, strangely he recommended registering it as a kit car as the next easiest followed by having it tested as i highly modified car.
What a load of bull. And the mot station can change the body type. My estate is officially an estate as they changed it for me. In terms of the th only thing that would apply to them and that is fail able is the quality of any welding.
Southie
08-03-13, 07:52 PM
Burgo does yours say estate on the log book as that would be very unique.
So when a car fails its MOT due to the exhaust being louder than manufacterers specification, what's that?
and yes, but both go different routes and have different outcomes, convert the Nova to a pickup, give me a shout when it comes back, it's not like i want it to be hard, i want to do a conversion myself on an Astra
Sorry Jon, bit confusing there fella. When a car or motorcycle fails its mot for a loud exhaust, it's because of noise pollution. Not for blow outs or faults.
As for the pick up, In theory if the chassis needs to be strengthened to make up for the shell rigidity being compromised when the rear roof gets removed. My understanding is that a vehicle subject to such modification will not be safe for the road. Unless tests have been conducted and it has been approved for use on a public road, by means of an IVA OR WHATEVER. MOT does not cover these points. I would also be amazed if an insurance provider will cover a vehicle with these modifications. Vehicles which utilise ladder chassis are easier to modify bodies, such as jeeps and specialist car manufacturers like TVR, LOTUS, MORGAN, CORVETTE, RELIANT, and kit cars. Once a unibody or monocoque shell has been compromised, either a spaceframe or internal structure like a multipointed roll cage is required, to reinforce the vehicle by linking the structural points. Times have changed, health and safety over rule. The days of bodging have come to an end in the EU, and it's only going to get worse.
Not the log book although as far as vosa are concerned its an estate
Southie
08-03-13, 07:55 PM
Not the log book although as far as vosa are concerned its an estate
Would it cost you to get it changed?
My estate was also insured as such with adrian flux. They simply put it down as a body modification
What a load of bull. And the mot station can change the body type. My estate is officially an estate as they changed it for me. In terms of the th only thing that would apply to them and that is fail able is the quality of any welding.
Try and do it now mate, did you not build your estate a couple of years ago? Big reforms lately.
Would it cost you to get it changed?
I need to change my address on it so could change that at the same time I think
Try and do it now mate, did you not build your estate a couple of years ago? Big reforms lately.
I would but they will be shut lol will give it a go though
Southie
08-03-13, 07:59 PM
I need to change my address on it so could change that at the same time I think
Get it done, it can only add more value too it ;)
Haha you seen it recently?
Southie
08-03-13, 08:01 PM
Haha you seen it recently?
It's a nova so bound to be rotting if not looked after, get a few quid ploughed into it as its one on a kind in the UK ;)
I would but they will be shut lol will give it a go though
Good one lol! The legislation is the same for trailers. Trailers made before a specified date will be exempt from testing FOR A WHILE. All trailers, big or small will have to be licenced and certified for road use in coming years. Same will apply to custom, modified and kit cars in the future. It's to bring GB in line with the more strick EU countries where no modifications are allowed, everything it TU Type Approved for use.
It's a nova so bound to be rotting if not looked after, get a few quid ploughed into it as its one on a kind in the UK ;)
Ive got the zaf gsi to do, then the clio, whilst doing this blue one, van and series one. Once all thats done I might turn my attention to it
Southie
08-03-13, 08:13 PM
Any 2019 gen lol
Jon_nova1
08-03-13, 08:16 PM
What a load of bull. And the mot station can change the body type. My estate is officially an estate as they changed it for me. In terms of the th only thing that would apply to them and that is fail able is the quality of any welding.
Heres your bull
"Any deliberate modification, excessive
corrosion, damage, fracture or inadequate
repair not within a prescribed area which
adversely affects braking or steering by
severely reducing the strength or continuity of a
main load bearing structural member.
1.
a.
Excessive displacement of the body relative
to the chassis which might lead to loss of
control of the vehicle when driven
b.
insecurity of the body or its supporting
members to the chassis so that it is clear
that there would be a danger to other road
users.
2.
Any deliberate modification, excessive
corrosion, damage, cracks or inadequate repair
of a load bearing body or chassis member
which seriously affects its strength within 30cm
of the body mountings."
and for the exhaust
A silencer in such condition, or of such a type,
that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly
unreasonably above the level expected from a
similar vehicle with a standard silencer in
average condition.
Issue Date 01 January 2012
I fail to see how chopping a bit of the roof off or adding it affects the steering and breaking :s
So I repeat bull!!
Dont forget I have built both pick ups and the estate. Have used them and abused them and can say from personal experience that neither lost any strength or handling or anything. In fact I could jump up and down on the pick up roof without ot bending it was that strong. I would have happily rolled it compared to a normal nova
And southie I dont think your far off mate. Will probably still be the first road legal one lol
Jon_nova1
08-03-13, 09:23 PM
Are you just acting dumb?
Yes sure because cutting your roof off poses absolutely no risk of your car folding in half and even if it did the driver would easily be able to keep full control of the vehicle as point 1A dictates and every MOT tester will be able to look at it and say...well yeah the load bearing on that is definitely upto legal requirements so i'll just slap a pass on that, **** me maybe the MOT tester would do what you did and jump up and down on it to determine if it was safe
You said bull because i said how it can fail an MOT so i quoted from the testers handbook, now your saying the MOT testers handbook is wrong because anyone can make a pickup and nothing will go wrong with it and they will have complete control should it do based on the fact you jumped on your car roof? lol
Do you think whoever wrote the rules would think how theres bound to be lots of people doing incredibly safe pickup conversions so should make an exception? no, they just thought let's put something in there to make sure the cars are safe
I'm not going to sit here arguing, simple fact is all you've come up with is bull and jumped on my roof, tell the OP it's safe, if it fails it's your issue, i actually hope it does work out as i previously stated i want to do this with an Astra
staggy_gsi
09-03-13, 01:59 PM
Jon, you posted the reasons for rejection. That doesnt mean that every pickup conversion is an automatic fail. A tester must judge a car on its merits and then make a decision. There are loads and loads of pickups out there and a lot of them will have been done in different ways. Yes, if you just hack the roof off and take it for test it will fail, but if done properly there is no reason it should. As burgo said, you can change the body type etc when logging on to a test so you cant simply fail it because it says its got 5 doors but actually has 2....
camels toe
09-03-13, 02:11 PM
If you read up on the sva test it says that any modification to a monoque shell will result in needing the test. I remember a thread on rodsnsods i think where they said that ANY car converted into a pickup would fail the sva test anyway as it would need to be done as a commercial vehicle and the load area would be too small.
On another note if the mot tester changed the body type at test time wouldnt that flag something up at vosa and maybe they`d want to inspect the car?
I agree that if done right theres no reason for the mot tester to fail a converted pick up though.And the police wont be interested if it looks roadworthy and its insured correctly.
Theres being some really good threads on retro-rides about this sort of thing and people saying you cant do this and that but nothings changed so far.
an m.o.t is a check over of a car, not a ****ing engineers report lol
/\ agreed, but even stevie wonder would notice a pickup conversion & realise it will affect the structure...
the trouble with an iva/sva test is that it doesn't actually do crash/structural integrity tests...just a decent visual inspection.
staggy_gsi
09-03-13, 09:35 PM
even stevie wonder would notice a pickup conversion & realise it will affect the structure...
Depends how its been strengthened etc.... Wouldnt be too hard to make it stronger than the original article imo. It all comes down to the individual conversion
well, looking at how most roll cages mount, i don't see how people claim they beef up the structure.. ok, a wrc/wtcc/btcc car has a proper engineered cage, but a 6 point cage for lower categories relies on the floor of the car being strong enough... i'm certain it adds no strength to the shell, but gives a slightly better chance of survival in a roll in a new car... but not one that's 25 odd years old....
staggy_gsi
09-03-13, 10:28 PM
Thats a valid point....
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