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John
29-01-13, 07:50 AM
Anyone done this? Is it a case of drilling the taper out of the hub, fitting a sleeve and rj? Any pics? :)
John
29-01-13, 07:53 AM
Plus, would I notice that much of a difference on a road car?
Benn
29-01-13, 07:57 AM
You don't need to RJ iirc. Just drill out, sleeve and go.
John
29-01-13, 10:18 AM
So use the standard track rod end? How does it fit upside down? It's conical in shape so if you fit into a drilled hub, how is it gonna grip?
Graeme
29-01-13, 10:26 AM
The rj set up is only seventy quid from compbrake if I recall correctly
John
29-01-13, 10:28 AM
Might be with having a look at that then, you know if the rj fits on the standard rack arm Graeme?
Graeme
29-01-13, 10:35 AM
The kit does but about twenty mil needs taking off each rack end as they are not as deep as standard ones
skud52
29-01-13, 10:48 AM
So use the standard track rod end? How does it fit upside down? It's conical in shape so if you fit into a drilled hub, how is it gonna grip?

You have the sleeve turned so that it replicates the taper and allows the rod end to grip.

Ive searched about this on here tho and someone i forget who was sayin that this made the handling pretty terrible??
Dan Stanley
29-01-13, 10:49 AM
Can you explain to the more ignorant of us (namely me) what the benefit of this is? Does it realign the geometery that the slammed suspension may mess up?
John
29-01-13, 12:42 PM
My understanding of it is that the lower you go, the more inverted the tie rod arms become. This can induce poor handling characteristics (bump steer) and to sort it out the track rod ends can be inverted to overcome this a little. I'm sure mr Broad will be along to correct me if I'm wrong :)
John
29-01-13, 12:46 PM
You have the sleeve turned so that it replicates the taper and allows the rod end to grip.

Ive searched about this on here tho and someone i forget who was sayin that this made the handling pretty terrible??
Hmm I think I'm confusing myself a little. Lets say with the track rod fitted the correct way, ie, on top, the top of the taper is larger than the bottom. If you drill it out is then an equal bore, do you then fit a tapered sleeve the other way and the nut holds it secure? Hmm
Mieran
29-01-13, 12:52 PM
You should look into making the wishbones lever, that will have a greater effect than tie rod arms.
Southie
29-01-13, 01:03 PM
John is this the sort of thing your after? CLICKYME (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?105977-Group-Buy-Rose-Jointed-Steering-Arms-%28track-rod-end-replacements%29&)

If so I have mine still that I bought in the group buy which were never fitted, PM me if your interested.
John
29-01-13, 01:09 PM
Hmm can't see any pics on the thread dude? Pm me a price/pics? :)
Southie
29-01-13, 01:11 PM
He's deleted his pictures, I'll take some pictures tonight for you ;) They're still in the packet from when Olly sent me them lol
John
29-01-13, 01:12 PM
Mieran, I'm guessing if you level the steering out and the lower arms are still inverted, this is where you run into handling issues?
John
29-01-13, 01:13 PM
He's deleted his pictures, I'll take some pictures tonight for you ;) They're still in the packet from when Olly sent me them lol

Stirling work mr Saaaaarrrrfffff:thumb:
peester
29-01-13, 02:04 PM
is it feasible to move the rack slightly higher on the bulkhead instead? has it been done before?
Mieran
29-01-13, 02:36 PM
Novas handle crap when going really low because you have changed the roll centre, read here for more info on this stuff

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/main.asp?sitepages=suspension%20geometry
Benn
31-01-13, 07:22 PM
So use the standard track rod end? How does it fit upside down? It's conical in shape so if you fit into a drilled hub, how is it gonna grip?

Iirc that's why you sleeve it.
Southie
03-02-13, 02:56 PM
Here you go John, these are what I've got. PM me if your interested ;)

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/7F117F69-2C00-4CBB-90E5-E162AA4DF0DB-2479-0000020C4D51B050.jpg

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/DBB90A49-CC6D-483B-A7C9-A0FA5FD19D28-2479-0000020C5B44EA12.jpg

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/85C8F054-E202-41D8-BEB5-7DD741C2D6BB-2479-0000020C63488938.jpg
John
03-02-13, 07:14 PM
Where's the sleeve mate? Any chance you could disassemble one of the bolts so i can see how it fits? Pm me if easier :)
Southie
03-02-13, 07:18 PM
I'll strip it down and send you pics John.
Southie
03-02-13, 07:32 PM
Pics sent ;)
Spudly
03-02-13, 07:45 PM
I'll strip down and send you pics John.





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lol
Southie
03-02-13, 07:48 PM
Ha ha mmm
John
03-02-13, 07:56 PM
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lol

Phew! Glad i got pics of some car parts! lol

I'm still at a loss of how these fit, can't quite figure how/what do do with the conical shape in the hub? The pics are missing out of olly's thread. Southie, let me do some research and i'll get back to you. :thumb:
Southie
03-02-13, 08:01 PM
Send Olly a pm he's bound to still pick it up, I don't think he had pictures of them fitted but plenty of people bought on that group buy so there's bound to be someone whose more helpful ;)