TV Tonight

[phunkynova]

Top Gear and
Don't miss the Racing Legends program tonight at 10:00pm (UK Time) on BBC2 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/BBC2/108605339171766?group_id=0) which features rally legend Colin Mcrae (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Colin-Mcrae/22268877620?group_id=0)...

[Nailen]

Ill be watching it

[mowgli]

well that will be better than top gear

[nevidred]

Definatly watching this

[phunkynova]

Part one just about to start top gear

[Stuart]

well that will be better than top gear

not tonights.... First 20 mins was just divine :D

[phunkynova]

Well what can one say !!! :wtf: Top Gear I used to love it and now it's for 2 to 11 year old with low intelligence when they say winter tiers are only good of 1 day a year then you know they have only interest in viewing figures, :mad: well they just lost one.

[Stuart]

To be very fair, over here they are only 'really' of use for a few days.... if that, to get out of your housing area and maybe to some country lanes.

[bazil]

Snow lasted 24 hours here lol gone now,

Top gear is an entertainment programme with cars, not a motoring show.

Still like it :)

[Jack]

Huyayyauyuyauyauyuyrauyuayruyara was nice
Rallying a Bentley? :wtf:
The P45? :wtf:

I hope when they eventually gte the GT86 on there they do a decent report on that and not some cocking-about pre scripted skit.

[turbojolt]

stuarts play piece has awful wing mirrors lol

[phunkynova]

To be very fair, over here they are only 'really' of use for a few days.... if that, to get out of your housing area and maybe to some country lanes.

Sorry Stuart and there in lies the problem they are not only for snow and ice they are called winter tires not snow tires summer rubber goes hard below 7 degrees and no longer works good wet/dry/snow/ice winter tiers have a different compound and chemicals and block patten in them so the work in ALL weather conditions better under 7 degrees far better than any summer tier, and I speak from over 20 years of using them they DO make a BIG difference in all cold driving weather and not just snow and ice.

[raf24]

Bit of a let down,i think they are running out of ideas.

[Novasport]

My wifes BMW has had winter tyres fitted since November. All I can say is they are amazing! In snow the traction is unreal.

[Stuart]

Sorry Stuart and there in lies the problem they are not only for snow and ice they are called winter tires not snow tires summer rubber goes hard below 7 degrees and no longer works good wet/dry/snow/ice winter tiers have a different compound and chemicals and block patten in them so the work in ALL weather conditions better under 7 degrees far better than any summer tier, and I speak from over 20 years of using them they DO make a BIG difference in all cold driving weather and not just snow and ice.

from experience of them in the dry but zero deg they are ****ing horrific.... And thats poncey sotteoszeros.

[phunkynova]

If you think I talk crap then tell me why NO road in Czech has been closed this year and we have had more snow and they don't salt the roads here

[mk1nova_rich]

I enjoyed it. The Pagani bit was the least interesting bit though IMO...the interior looked very Max Powaaar lol

[kevster]

The winter tyre sales at work have gone mad this year , some people even have gone and got another set of wheels so they can just swap them over when there not needed .

I would recommend the hankook ice tyre .

[phunkynova]

The Italian don't make a good winter tire they are a joke here no one touches them

[Edd]

If you think I talk crap then tell me why NO road in Czech has been closed this year and we have had more snow and they don't salt the roads here

We have snow for 2/3 days here maximum, therefore a set of tyres for this time isn't justified

[Novasport]

from experience of them in the dry but zero deg they are ****ing horrific.... And thats poncey sotteoszeros.

Utter crap. I have driven with them on the BMW and they feel not much different to summer tyres in grip.


We have snow for 2/3 days here maximum, therefore a set of tyres for this time isn't justified

But Edd, they are not JUST for snow. The water dispersion is much better than summer tyres. Going by last year then they were useful for about 10 of the 12 months!

[phunkynova]

Nokian and
Continental are the best

[phunkynova]

We have snow for 2/3 days here maximum, therefore a set of tyres for this time isn't justified


And there in lies the problem they are not only for snow and ice they are called winter tires not snow tires summer rubber goes hard below 7 degrees and no longer works good wet/dry/snow/ice winter tiers have a different compound and chemicals and block patten in them so the work in ALL weather conditions better under 7 degrees far better than any summer tier, and I speak from over 20 years of using them they DO make a BIG difference in all cold driving weather and not just snow and ice.

[Nailen]

Snow what snow! Am just outside Glasgow and we haven't had any just a light dusting its been great lol

[Novasport]

The winter tyre sales at work have gone mad this year , some people even have gone and got another set of wheels so they can just swap them over when there not needed .

I did exactly this. Got a new set of genuine BMW alloy wheels for £150 and a set of premium brand runflat winters for £250. Best £400 I have spent and I will make a profit on them if I sold them, even used.

[kevster]

Nokian and
Continental are the best


I'm not a grate fan of nokian tyres , we've had a lot of come backs on there rft .
Conti's are a very good tyre just a tad overpriced in my opinion .

[kevster]

I did exactly this. Got a new set of genuine BMW alloy wheels for £150 and a set of premium brand runflat winters for £250. Best £400 I have spent and I will make a profit on them if I sold them, even used.

I would always recommend keeping them tho bud , coz if you have the same kind of luck as me as soon as you sold them there be needed once more lol.

[phunkynova]

I'm using Conti's now they good

[Stuart]

Utter crap. I have driven with them on the BMW and they feel not much different to summer tyres in grip.



But Edd, they are not JUST for snow. The water dispersion is much better than summer tyres. Going by last year then they were useful for about 10 of the 12 months!


I guess a shade more torque/power through them than the BMW can deliver is enough to make the Summers more preferable than the winters unless its very sub zero or snowy.... The winters and Summers are both dire on ice as expected though.
That said, they seem to help on 'normal' cars.

[phunkynova]

Sorry Stuart but how many hours have you done driving on ice as I must disagree with you on that point and I put forward many years of driving on ice as evidence in my case.

[Edd]

A set of winter tyres would cost more than my daily car lol so no point

I have never felt the need and doubt I ever will, been alright without them for 16 years of driving so think I'll cope tbh

If I had £500 I didn't know what do with and a daily car I give a fcuk about then maybe

[Jack]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19865_260576038884_3792310_n.jpg

^ Summer tyres, whats the big hoo-haa about winters? lol

[Stuart]

10 mins compare to you, but fact is the cars we have on summers and winters were no different on ice, in snow yes the winters did work better, and on dry cold roads the winters were significantly spongier and not pleasant to drive on. As I said, on a 'normal' low power (sub 250bhp) normal car im sure they are a treat.

[phunkynova]

Ok I can not comment on high performance cars and winter tiers so I concede this one to you

[phunkynova]

Ok back to the thread part 2 is about to start

[Stuart]

Part 3 :p

Ripper Street is on still lol

[Novasport]

10 mins compare to you, but fact is the cars we have on summers and winters were no different on ice, in snow yes the winters did work better, and on dry cold roads the winters were significantly spongier and not pleasant to drive on. As I said, on a 'normal' low power (sub 250bhp) normal car im sure they are a treat.

I am sure 80-90% of cars on the road have less than 250bhp so yes, they will work a treat.


A set of winter tyres would cost more than my daily car lol so no point

I have never felt the need and doubt I ever will, been alright without them for 16 years of driving so think I'll cope tbh

If I had £500 I didn't know what do with and a daily car I give a fcuk about then maybe

The wifes car is worth a fair bit and you also cannot put a value on someones life, especially a loved one. It may sound over the top but I am happier knowing she has the tyres fitted and more control over the vehicle in bad weather.

[Novasport]

Ok back to the thread part 2 is about to start

Ditto....

[phunkynova]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19865_260576038884_3792310_n.jpg

^ Summer tyres, whats the big hoo-haa about winters? lol

M6 Saturday night

[Novasport]

You can also see the tyre tread pattern in the snow of the tractor that towed it there for Jack lol

[kevster]

I do like gt4's

[Jack]

You can also see the tyre tread pattern in the snow of the tractor that towed it there for Jack lol
Pfft, this is Somerset, we all drive tractors lol

Brum brum lol

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19865_262341138884_4770736_n.jpg

[mowgli]

well the mcrae thing was good, but it was also a bit of a plug for the buggies they are selling too..

chris hoy definitely enjoyed himself, but i can't imagine for a second he was hearing the pacenotes & actually driving anywhere near flat out at the end.

i did read in autosport that he has bought one of those new entry level radicals for this seasons new championship

[bazil]

I liked it, a touch inaccurate but still good

The James Martin one on Jackie Stewart was good too

[pie]

i missed the mcrae thing :(

[bazzap8389]

^ I player is your friend

[bazzap8389]

I do like gt4's

I'll sell you one lol

[vauxluva]

That nova is the only reason i wanted one,ended way above his class in the sr, In my head when i was younger it was down to the nova (100% it was the driver now)lol

[8valve-craig]

I am i the only one who thinks Clarkson should get a ticket for using his phone whilst driving / riding the P45?

Also, Pouring petrol into a bin, very stupid, and taking that P45 on the A3, very inconsiderate / dangerous.

What a load of crap.

Mc'rae was good, but i didnt think they needed to say that crashing the chopper was his own fault.

[vauxluva]

I am i the only one who thinks Clarkson should get a ticket for using his phone whilst driving / riding the P45?

Also, Pouring petrol into a bin, very stupid, and taking that P45 on the A3, very inconsiderate / dangerous.

What a load of crap.

Mc'rae was good, but i didnt think they needed to say that crashing the chopper was his own fault.
I said that to our lass, think what his wife must have thought,

[paul james]

I am i the only one who thinks Clarkson should get a ticket for using his phone whilst driving / riding the P45?

Also, Pouring petrol into a bin, very stupid, and taking that P45 on the A3, very inconsiderate / dangerous.

What a load of crap.

Mc'rae was good, but i didnt think they needed to say that crashing the chopper was his own fault.

I very much doubt he put petrol in a bin, there was a change of camera shot between and you never actually saw him pouring it from the pump nozzle.

And it probably wasn't that bad on the motorway, he will have had a camera crew in a vehicle ahead of him, and probably a couple of other employees in cars driving around him.

[mk1nova_rich]

Really enjoyed the McRae programme but I also thought the comments regarding his helicopter crash were uncalled for

[paul james]

Was there any Nova action in the Mcrae programme?

[pie]

^^ ye they showed his nova

[Stuart]

Really enjoyed the McRae programme but I also thought the comments regarding his helicopter crash were uncalled for


not really uncalled for.... What was properly uncalled for was Ken Block!!! what a proper ****.

[Jack]

Quote of the century

"The main thing is, don't crash"
Oops lol

[Mazz]

Really enjoyed the McRae programme but I also thought the comments regarding his helicopter crash were uncalled for

Bollocks, forgot about this :( TiVo and BBC iplayer here I come!

[8valve-craig]

not really uncalled for.... What was properly uncalled for was Ken Block!!! what a proper ****.

Maybe not uncalled for, But definately hypocrytical, considering they had spent the last hour worshipping his driving style and mantra. We can all probably imagine how he liked to fly his helicopter, just dont think the comments were very well placed considering the access that the Mc'rae's had given the BBC to make the film.

And yeah, Ken Block is a knob.

[TeddyThom]

I am i the only one who thinks Clarkson should get a ticket for using his phone whilst driving / riding the P45?

Also, Pouring petrol into a bin, very stupid, and taking that P45 on the A3, very inconsiderate / dangerous.

What a load of crap.

Yes for the ticket. You/I would've got one for thinking about it.

The pouring of petrol... Looked more like apple juice if you ask me... And having driven the A3... Well...

I thought anything under a 125cc capacity wasn't allowed on a motorway??

[Hayley]

I enjoyed the Jackie Stewart and Stirling Moss Ones...

But..
Am I the only one who thought Sir Stirling Moss was a bit up himself about the crash?

[meritlover]

I thought anything under a 125cc capacity wasn't allowed on a motorway??

its under 50cc and must be able to hold a minimum speed.

[Big_Chap]

I liked it, a touch inaccurate but still good

The James Martin one on Jackie Stewart was good too

What bits mate?

The McRae program was good and although they had to acknowledge it, it wouldn't have made easy viewing for the family afterwards.

I still don't think he would have flown in a dangerous manner with kids in the back.

[fearless]

Did anyone notice the incar of a LHD Nova Gsi sneeked in - think it was Mark Higgins on the Manx

[mowgli]

I enjoyed the Jackie Stewart and Stirling Moss Ones...

But..
Am I the only one who thought Sir Stirling Moss was a bit up himself about the crash?

what, when he said he knew it wasn't his fault?? he was a famously precise driver, who could drive anything really fast.

it was a life changing moment for him & he has had 50 years to think about it

[mowgli]

haven't you lot realised that the mcrae family are using colin's legasy as a means of earning a living for the whole family. i bet the crash ended up costing his estate a lot of millions & if they have to rent out the cars, they will.

[MK999]

well the mcrae thing was good, but it was also a bit of a plug for the buggies they are selling too..

chris hoy definitely enjoyed himself, but i can't imagine for a second he was hearing the pacenotes & actually driving anywhere near flat out at the end.

He said himself he was just gonna take it easy and enjoy himself as he didn't want to damage the car. Bit of a contradiction to "I'm going to learn to drive like McRae" though, driving like a nut and writing it off would have been a fitting tribute.

As for the helicopter comments, to be fair that's what was confirmed by investigations etc, I doubt Colin McRae's flying style was any different to his driving style and unfortunately it cost him his life as you can't often crash a helicopter and walk away. He was an absolute genius in a car and all geniuses have their flaws, his was combined in that there was nothing he didn't believe he could do and he had the courage to try it too. If he'd lived through that crash he probably would have tried whatever stunt he was pulling again, and succeeded!

Still a hero and a legend for everything he ever did in and around motorsport imo.

[Adam]

TG was the usual. The whole P45 thing got a bit boring.


As for McRae, legend indeed. It was definently all or nothing when it came to him.
And the helicopter part whilst not uncalled for they could of left it out of this particular program.
Everyone who has read about the whole helicopter thing will know McRae was basically "pissing" about and got caught out because of one thing or another.

[mowgli]

itv4... now... smokey & the bandit.. there is a +1 too

[Novasport]

Also watching :)

[bazil]

My comment about it being a bit inaccurate is towards the footage of the cars, some cars featured that he didn't even drive, I'm mean c'mon there's enough footage if the guy to get it right,

Also I though L555 BAT was in a Glasgow museum?

As for the helicopter crash, sh!t happens in life, my boss crashed his helicopter less than 15 miles from where Colins went down, Bertie Fisher and his daughter and one of his sons all died in a helicopter crash too, even David Richards helicopter crashed very soon after Colin's accident,
Some folk live, some die.
The programme simply told the findings of the FAI ( coroners inquest )