View Full Version : Hamilton signs for Mercedes
This has just been confirmed
Can only be for cash as the Merc car is shocking compared to the McLaren
IMO he will not win another world championship now
McLaren are replacing him with Sergio Perez, very good move
Hope it works out for him but I don't think it will, money grabbing git lol
Mercedes are a bigger global brand, so as a management decision it makes sense. Clearly his management team don't think having a good car is the most important thing for a racing driver :wtf: Perez and JB should be a good combo next year as they are both more thinking drivers rather than the banzai style of Lewis, so hopefully next years car can concentrate on that rather than trying to very a compromise between the two.
Apparently he been sold on the idea that the Merc 2014 car, when the new chassis and v6 turbos come in, will be the best
A massive risk
Not sure if I want him to win the championship again now lol
Would rather Jenson got another one to prove it wasn't just the Brawn car, plus he seems like a nicer chap. lol
I think he's a ****. 14 years McLaren have supported him. Certainly wouldn't be where he is now without them
BRoadGhost
28-09-12, 03:40 PM
Honestly I thought Paul Di Resta would have taken his spot.
Sadly sport is a business and in this capitalist world we live, too many goes where the money is. That said in any sort of long term relationship it's nice to heave a break.
...Not like the Merc is a dog or anything, who know's how things'll play out with all the changes next season.
Should show Leona up for the muppet she really is.
The only advantage "cash" wise is commercial freedom (i.e. more sponsorship deals) as Mclaren matched Mercs wages offer.
I think he's a ****. 14 years McLaren have supported him. Certainly wouldn't be where he is now without them
Lol bit harsh.
You cant say that though,yeah they gave him a break,but if he was that good then somebody else would have not too soon after anyway.
F1 is like the premier league,the drivers/players are only interested in money.
And the sport and its organisers are very greedy,just like in football.
That shyte will be pay per view on sky soon,you wait.;)
I hope Perez fcuks him right over next season lol
F1 is a bit like the football yeah, but you wouldn't see Rooney sign for Southampton would you?
They have as much chance of winning the league as Mercedes winning the world championship
its all about marketing potential.. i've been reading motorsport mag for a while, & there was a big article about mclarens driver contract & how it is set up. 50% of the coin is for the driving, 50% is for the promo work, which can only be done for mclarens contracted people.. their drivers also don't get to keep their trophies..the team has them.
now, if merc signed him up allowing him brand freedom for personal sponsorship.. the sky's the limit for his potential earnings.
good call on perez though.. safe pair of hands.
the next generation turbo cars will be such a crazy time for all of f1, that a load of new talent might just rise to the top.
I hope Perez fcuks him right over next season lol
F1 is a bit like the football yeah, but you wouldn't see Rooney sign for Southampton would you?
They have as much chance of winning the league as Mercedes winning the world championship
Edd, you forget, ross brawn is a very clever bloke, he knows it takes 3 years minimum to get a team running at 100%, he had benetton, twr jag, ferrari, and now merc..
you can forget the honda/brawn years to a degree, as they found an amazing loophole(a junior aero man on placement at super aguri actually found it) and they got lucky for 1 year, but he had to sack most of his staff for the team to survive..
they are obviously planning something clever at merc because their existing driver lineup was hardly slow...
F1 is a bit like the football yeah, but you wouldn't see Rooney sign for Southampton would you?
They have as much chance of winning the league as Mercedes winning the world championship
If they got took over like man city then yeah,course he would.Especially if they promised to take over europe.
Same thing really,money talks.
Edd, you forget, ross brawn is a very clever bloke, he knows it takes 3 years minimum to get a team running at 100%, he had benetton, twr jag, ferrari, and now merc..
you can forget the honda/brawn years to a degree, as they found an amazing loophole(a junior aero man on placement at super aguri actually found it) and they got lucky for 1 year, but he had to sack most of his staff for the team to survive..
they are obviously planning something clever at merc because their existing driver lineup was hardly slow...
I know what your saying mate but I still feel he would of had a better chance of winning the championship again with McLaren
How's he going to feel if Perez or Jenson win it next year? Stupid I would think lol
I always been a McLaren fan so guess that sways me a bit
pottersrebel
28-09-12, 08:16 PM
im with edd on this one shud have atleast done another year with mclaren then saw what his options were once the new engine rules kicked in
Pistol Pete
28-09-12, 09:06 PM
Bit gutted about this to be honest. I am a Hamilton fan and a Mclaren fan. This for me says that LH is more bothered about the cash and growing his "brand" than the racing and winning more titles. I am also surprised as the Merc is not a quick car. Nico won one race this year. What else has he done??
However, it is good to see Sergio Perez being given a deal. lol bit of a 2 fingers a ferrari aswell seeing as he was on there academy programme!
Southie
28-09-12, 09:20 PM
I suppose a flip side of this is Hamilton is going to learn more from the very best in F1, okay he might not win many races but he'll mature and become less brash in his racing with Ross Brawns style behind him... Schuey won plenty learning off brawn when with Ferrari... actually Hamitons stylee is right up Brawns street then lol
ok folks... merc is not going to allow any further lack of success...
history tells us this.
30's gp racing, 50's gp & sportscar racing, sauber merc group c cars... DTM, etc etc .....
for some reason, merc fell out of love with mclaren, i think they tried to buy them out & failed, then they stopped building slr sports cars at brooklands, where the new mclaren cars are now made, they bought brawn gp for probably a knock down price, they have been building it up..the stuff they are doing with multiple drs systems on the gp car are really pushing the envelope.. ok, they don't have adrian newey, who, lets face it, is the only celebrity aerodynamicist in the world, they have been building up to be a force.. and schumi is not the driver he was, rosberg is good, but really needs a superstar to properly test himself against, next year will be really interesting..
Southie
28-09-12, 09:29 PM
Schknacker is still a good driver in my eyes, he's helped developed the Merc F1 car for Lewis tbh, I'm looking forward to next season already... I wonder how quick though button gets rammed off on a first corner by lewis though lol
Southie
28-09-12, 09:32 PM
I suspect this could be a Senna vs Prost style clash for the next generation.
well, we know the merc engine has enough power.....
personally, i'd love a tyre war again, as opposed to this crap being used at the moment... the cars really aren't running at anywhere near their true speeds, its mini group c racing... limited fuel & tyre management... ok, there have been some awesome races, but i honestly fell asleep watchiung the singapore race...it was a very pretty yawnfest.... & i really love grand prix races...i felt embarassed about it, but i was so bored..
Southie
28-09-12, 09:36 PM
Too long a race though when the stops happened... I mean no race should be 2 hours long for entertainment, it was tedious to say the least.
herman tilke should be publicly rogered with the rolled up next set of plans for a race track that he draws...
he really doesn't understand the basics about how to make a race interesting...
personally, i would take him to spa & walk him round the track to explain the concept....
Southie
28-09-12, 09:46 PM
As if it matters but what would you suggest Mike to a race that "usually" is 2hours long that might keep F1 fans entertained... Besides maybe women flashing boobies at pitstops lol
As if it matters but what would you suggest Mike to a race that "usually" is 2hours long that might keep F1 fans entertained... Besides maybe women flashing boobies at pitstops lol
gp's used to be 3 hrs long.
quite simply, give them tracks that are exciting, with real overtaking, not drs & rubbish tyres. monza & spa haven't changed noticeably since 1994, yet they routinely have incredible races... silverstone retains the basics of the classic circuit, & has impressive racing, and as for suzuka......its a real circuit for real heroes...
its these mickey mouse slow corner things that have been manufactured recently that wreck it..... even monaco is a better race
maybe cutting aero efficiency is the key.... but once the technology cork is out of the bottle, its hard to get it back in.
personally, i'd love to see massive slicks & 4 wheel drifts again(basically anything jackie stewart did in a tyrrell)
but i'm fortunate... the very 1st f1 car i saw properly running full chat on a circuit was mansell's red 5 in 1992 at spa.. i know i saw the best car of my era at the best track & can die satisfied.
re your original question... i watched the monaco gp in a french bar about 5 years ago... the french tv channel does birdwatching instead of a grid walk
Southie
28-09-12, 10:11 PM
So basically before Senna died it was spot on... add a tad more safety without technology and it would be spot on, far too many driving aides IMO.
too many aides... WTF
There is erm ohh the hand clutch and adjustable brakes, other than that they are about as aided as a Nova.
f1 was incredible in those days... with proper characters who didn't do the whole pr crap.. that weekend really did screw f1 right up... they'd grown complacent, nobody had died for about 8 years, and in fact, nobody had died in a race for 12 years, they'd forgotten what it was like, and f1 had become properly professional in that time.... so naturally they knee jerked the reaction.. suddenly, eau rouge disappeared for a year!!!!ffs!!!!! and cars got ugly, they were all downforce & narrow track.. and its not fully recovered from it...
too many aides... WTF
There is erm ohh the hand clutch and adjustable brakes, other than that they are about as aided as a Nova.
traction control, kers, drs, off throttle blowing, the 'standard' engine management ecu (which all decent teams spend a fortune on every year) & lots of other clever stuff that us mortals never hear about
4 webers & a set of points would seriously sort out the f1 paddock
Southie
28-09-12, 10:20 PM
Well they have too many helping hands to get them around the track... bringing back a more of a human skill factor would bring more enjoyment to it to me.
Edit: similar to what Mike said really... I'm cr@p with my descriptions when typing lol
traction control, kers, drs, off throttle blowing, the 'standard' engine management ecu (which all decent teams spend a fortune on every year) & lots of other clever stuff that us mortals never hear about
4 webers & a set of points would seriously sort out the f1 paddock
They arent permitted TC.
Kers just looks like the 'push to pass' lark that Indy has... thats not going to get someone round a corner faster etc, more like a dose of nitrous.
Similar for DRS, just a straight boost especially as its only used in X location on track for everyone.
They might have cunning calibration in the ECU to give the impression of TC (what RB was pulled up for the other week) but other than that, notionally the ECU has to run like an XE on TB's lol
Fat slicks, tons of downforce and some steel wishbones would bring it all back.
Southie
28-09-12, 10:27 PM
So Stuart as you seem in the loop/the know what's your thought on how the 2014 "turbo" F1?
stu, they announced years back that they truly couldn't stop TC, so charlie whiting had to reluctantly allow it...
i disagree about the downforce...
fat slicks, yes
low downforce, a must, then mechanical grip is king.....
steel wishbones... hell yes
more overtakes were made because of missed gears back in the day.. but i can't see how they'd allow a real gearstick & an AP clutch back in an f1 car
There are all kinds of cunning ways to write code to emulate TC's influence without actually doing the TC job.... The only way to fully clamp down would be for the FIA to write the code lol... I believe that Mclaren are being commissioned to make the ECU's for the coming seasons with the same code for everyone as thats 'fair' etc.
South, I'm far from in the loop, but I can read rules/understand the geekery of some of the talk (I get lost when they talk aero lol)
Southie
28-09-12, 10:35 PM
Ah I see a flaw then lol
Joking apart though the turbo racing could be entertaining but due to safety "not a bad thing" the racing isn't what it used to be... imagine everyone on the track after just passing there test in the first car they owned... I'd watch that nowadays lol
Ah I see a flaw then lol
Joking apart though the turbo racing could be entertaining but due to safety "not a bad thing" the racing isn't what it used to be... imagine everyone on the track after just passing there test in the first car they owned... I'd watch that nowadays lol
saftey (well, peoples idiocy) killed the best racing i believe we will ever see, group b. ****ing hate f1 its all just commericial bollocks, i could go on and on but i wont. Time attack, much more entertaining ;)
a audi quattro plowing through spectators with multiple deaths was the end of group b
WRC is mega mega boring now
a audi quattro plowing through spectators with multiple deaths was the end of group b
WRC is mega mega boring now
rs200... & i agree, too tamed.
Rs200 competed in about group b for about 20seconds
The quattro and T16 are where its at.
PS: id rather watch paint dry than F1.
the biggest problem with all forms of motorsport is this.....
in a room somewhere, a collection of accountants see that their 'promotional' racing/rallying effort is paying dividends in car sales.. so they decide that if £Xm buys them Y car sales, then surely double the money will equal double the sales... and suddenly there is a technology war being waged..
look at super touring... it started off with basic 2l 16v 4 door repmobiles.. original engine location, small tyres, no aero, 3" minimum ground clearance etc.... & it was awesome.. great racing, massive grids, huge crowds, monster tv figures...
then alfa romeo started pissing about with the rules, and built cars with moveable splitters & a rear spoiler the could be raised with these funny metal plates that were in the boot & were 'part of the car'...
the floodgates opened, and it eventually led to 2 car teams spending £10m on a years racing FFS......so it died..
rallying.. make all the teams build a 2000 16v n/a with an official FIA approved efi, 2wd car, allow them to run rwd with a 50kg weight penalty, make it a stock looking body shell with limited arch mods.... and the people will still come & see it. the costs will be low, the cars will sell, then make the rally promoters run events when & where people want to see them..
ok, i'm being nostalgic, but rallying was huge long before group B came along, when millions of average working people would watch the Lombard RAC rally that actually went the length of the country & loads of local heroes would enter their mk2 escort to add to the mix.. they were just as spectacular as watching a wrc type thing, they may have been slower, but is that a bad thing? the competition was immense, the drivers loved it too..
last year we went to watch the midlands rally special spectator stage in a car park at hinckley council offices, and the mk2 escorts sideways were getting way more cheers than the ex works focus & the evo's that were no doubt faster, but popped & farted round & just looked crap..
one of the more interesting proposals in the f1 new regs was the idea that kers would be used to run the cars in the pits with the engine off, which means some really clever cooling ideas to keep the engine from blowing up, and the notion that kers could also be used to start the car... so if a driver stalls after a spin on the track, he can restart it & keep going..
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