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OK I've done a bit of reading around garages but after some advice from people who've put their own up
Plan is to get a driveway built and a base/garage made in a back garden, double size-ish.
Concrete sectional, breeze block, brick, steel prefab. Pros and cons?
camels toe
16-09-12, 08:00 PM
First off make sure you check with your local planning office what planning regulations you`ll need to stick to.
Second is go as big as your allowed/can afford.As whatever you build will never be big enough once you get all your gear in there.
Third set yourself a budget,then double it.Everything will cost you more than you think.
Planning regs, looks like I'm allowed up to 30sqm or 50% of the land around the house, with it a metre or two from the boundary: http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/outbuildings
camels toe
16-09-12, 08:10 PM
Thats a good site.Id still check with your local office though that the info you have is right as i know theres sometimes some differences region to region ect.
turbojolt
16-09-12, 08:12 PM
instead of doubling your budget budget properly in the first place, what ever you end up doing Ian (with two i's) let me know and i will give you a hand, been ages since Ive been on the shovel and we all know i could use the excessive
Just dug out an email I sent to the council a few months ago who confirmed there's no further regulations to the website, but I guess I can pop in with some drawings and measurements to double check with them when it's all planned!
Cheers TJ, will no doubt hire friends to help out, guy next door's dad is a builder too who's offered to help things too
you can get sectional garages for cheap or even for the taking away... look on the bay or in local papers...
laying a base is piss easy... its getting enough volunteers to barrow the concrete round thats the fun....
try k borleys of donisthorpe B.O.T. they have loads of mini mix vehicles, and even will supply barrow jockeys...
Double skin breeze block with a render finish (terelene ~ sp?) FTW.
Seen some second hand concrete sectionals Mowgli, assume I'd need to pay someone to haul them over to mine. What are the weights of each piece, is it DIYable to put up?
Mike what kind of blocks, price, and is it possible to DIY build? I've not done anything like this before!
Mike what kind of blocks, price, and is it possible to DIY build? I've not done anything like this before!
Standard breeze blocks (density block NOT aerated block!) sat on a couple of courses of engineering bricks. Standard block size is something like 45x20x10cm or something like that.
Dont know kinda prices now but you you used to be able to get a pallet of 75 (IIRC) for about £130 ish.
As for render, never really directly dealt with that, normally its down to the plasters/renderers choice.
Block work is piece of pish mate. If you can build an engine im sure you can read a tape measure, spirit level & mix muck at 3:1 for foundation courses & around 6:1 for block work/walls etc (building sand obviouly).
EDIT: Dont forget if your laying in cold weather use some kinda cement freindly anti freeze in the mortar/concerete etc.
Novasport
16-09-12, 09:07 PM
I already have a single garage for the Sport but my huge stock of parts is taking over so wanted to build a large shed/garage for storage.
I went down the route of a second hand sectional concrete garage.
Soo, after a few weeks of searching I managed to buy an 8'6"x20' garage for £200. I dismantled it with a mate & my dad then brought it home in 2x trips in a Peugeot Boxer van borrowed from work. The van coped no problem but the guys driveway sank where the back wheels were lol (Serves the old git right for not even offering us a cuppa).
I left the conctrete roof panels behind as the were all cracked and left him the up & over door as I did not need it(Suppose I could have weighed it in).
I laid the concrete base(I used BestMix who mix what you need on site and were the cheapest around Derby/Notts/Burton, see here... http://www.bestmix.co.uk/ ) and built it up slightly different using some of the side panels to replace the missing up & over door.
The cheapest quality shed I could find this size was £900 plus the cost of the base, this has cost me about £700-£750 with a new roof, roof supports, guttering, fascia, UPVC door & new UPVC window plus base. Prefer concrete walls to 17mm tongue & groove. If you need any help, let me know.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/NovaSport/IMG-20120916-00425.jpg
^ Defo the cheapest/easiest option by far.
Brick built garage will easily cost upwards of £3k at a guess. Probably add a decent amount of potential value to the property mind but the outlay is a LOT more.
Novasport
16-09-12, 09:21 PM
Also with sectional garages you can add to them later. Seen a couple of big double sectional garages going on Ebay locally recently, guarentee there won't be any when you want one though lol
i have just built a 9'6" x 9'6" metal shed on a 4" concrete base for a total outlay of £120
ok, i was lucky & got the steel shed for free as it needed taking away...
Novasport
16-09-12, 10:21 PM
Problem with metal is condensation, no good for storing carsor car parts IMO unless it is insulated.
its well ventilated... its original use was document storage, and it is dry as a bone inside.
i find insulated steel sheet to trap way more condensation. i've done a fair bit of work on dairy production units & cheese factories, and condensation is awful in those buildings
Novasport
25-09-12, 12:09 AM
Any good Iain.....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hanson-Concrete-Sectional-Large-Double-Garage-Good-condition-/261102239733?pt=UK_BOI_Containers_Pre_Fab_Building s_ET&hash=item3ccae7fff5
You would not necessarily have to use it all, you could reduce it in size by removing some panels and the second door if required.
As said,with readymix and someone who knows a bit of groundworks,laying the base is easy enough.Shovelling readymix is hard graft mind.
Sectionals are the cheapest but look an eyesore these days.
If it was me i would use blocks and get it rendered,or just paint the blocks,suppose you could even lat it and clad in upvc soffit board.Thats what i would do i think.
Roof-kingspan ftw.
If its your own house ie not rented,do the best you can afford,security is paramount.
I have seen them sectional garages in bits where some lads had blasted them with a hammer to get a bike out of one near my mams years ago,the section brok in half.
Already watching that one on eBay!
Hadn't thought you could actually brute force your way into a concrete sectional garage, scary!
I think I'm gonna collect bits and plan and attack this next year when the weather improves. :)
/\ come on iaiain..... you must have seen the conner p vid with the fence panels.... the sectional walls are well under 3" thick, most are less than 2" & a hammer will easily take one out... a damned good kick does too, but obviously having seen that vid, it's not recommended lol lol
Yeah seen that actually good point lol
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/4213/omnomnombleeahchav.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/omnomnombleeahchav.gif/)
turbojolt
25-09-12, 06:59 PM
cant you get them sectional garages with the metal running through them?
Novasport
25-09-12, 07:21 PM
I have a Marley type sectional garage which has metal strengthening rods running through the panels. The centres of the panels are probably the weakest point but they are only 16 inch wide panels so the widest hole you could get would be about 10-12 inches so difficult to get through.
cant you get them sectional garages with the metal running through them?
they are all made from concrete with 'pre-stressed' steel reinforcement.. basically, they get steel bar & stretch it, then mould the concrete panel.. when it is set, they release the steel, and it tries to shrink back, this puts compressive load on the concrete panel, which actually massively multiplies its strength... unfortunately, when damaged, the panels fail really quickly..
I have a Marley type sectional garage which has metal strengthening rods running through the panels. The centres of the panels are probably the weakest point but they are only 16 inch wide panels so the widest hole you could get would be about 10-12 inches so difficult to get through.
big enough for a rottweiler though lol
Jon_nova1
26-09-12, 10:44 AM
am i the only one thinking it would be alot easier and safer to just take a screwdriver and spanner to the garage lock? lol
Safety first when it comes to robbing stuff
you should also wear a tool belt, hi-viz jackets & clumpy boots to make you run slow, just like the police do....lol
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