Everyone read this!!!

[novasrredtop]

Yesterday morning I took my precious little Nova for her annual MOT test at a local garage of which I have used before on many occasions. I left the car with the garage at 8.30am and went to work awaiting the result later on in the day.

At approximatly 3pm I received a phonecall from the garage......'Mr Jones I have bad news'

In my reply 'Oh thats OK, I expected her to fail, afterall she is 24 years old ha ha ha......

The person on the call said ' No mate, thats the least of your worries, theres been an accident, a member of staff has crashed your car!!!

.........................SILENCE...........

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Upon arrival to the garage expecting an apology I was confronted by the owner of the garage who claims he was driving the vehicle at the time asking if I had had any problems with the pedals. He says that the clutch kicked out and the throttle got stuck!!!!!!

Ive owned this car for a year now and have used it everyday with no problems at all.

These pics are of the car 2 day before this happened:

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Im really sorry guys, but another very good Nova has gone!!! Gutted is not the word of how I feel.


Admin note: Please bear in mind, this user is referencing M&J Motors in Swansea.

[raf24]

Wow that sucks mate,what happens insurance wise with that? I reckon they will have to come good for it?

[pie]

**** the bed dude :(

gutted for you, did this use to have speedlines on?

why was he driving it? if it only went for a mot dude?

[turbojolt]

WTF, what happens now?

[novasrredtop]

Owner of the garage is being awkward so I have to go through Insurance (of which the car is fully covered on a modified policy). But I have to wait until he has reported the accident to his insurance of which he hasnt yet!!

[meach86]

Gutted for you mate, I'd get every penny you can off him. Surely he has got to be insured for things like that!!!

[pie]

ask them why it was off the premises (spelling) if it was in for a mot??

also who ever drove it smacked the windscreen

id be tampting if it was my cav fuk knows how you are so calm writting on here lol

[Graeme]

It's all his fault mate and I'd be wanting him to pay for the car why should you have to claim on your insurance when it wasn't anything to do with you, he had your car and was providing you with a service it's all down to him

[turbojolt]

why cant he just put it thru his insurance the ****er, he is clearly talking a load of crap to get out of it, taking your pride and joy out and stacking it what a cont.

[Royston]

Bad news

Did they put it through the MOT and passed?

If it passed, are they claiming there is a issue, having just inspected it?

Car was in their care, they will need to sort it, did they have / seek permission to "road test"?

I think they have more questions to answer me thinks

[Nova00]

unfortunately it is looking another SR off my list

[mk1nova_rich]

I'd be seeking legal advice. It is well known that garage mechanics drive cars they shouldnt be driving. I'd have gone up the ****ing wall with the bloke

[maddogdaz666]

I'd be going straight to find some legal advise, it should be going thru his insurance, not yours, although you will most likely have to inform your insurance about it, but seek some legal advise ASAP.
Really sorry to hear about you ba news matey, I'd be going effing mental!!

[Pistol Pete]

Hmmmm, fishy.

A lot of questions!!! What did they crash into? And if it off the premises, why? Hound him till you get answers and a pay out. Also name and shame the garage.

[Royston]

Also name and shame the garage.

M & J Motors at a guess

[Pistol Pete]

You know what they say about assumptions....

[scott.parker]

TBH words fail me on this, all i can say is i feel for you mate, not at all good! hope you get a good outcome.

[Plug]

I don't know what it is with nova's but I took my car to get an exhaust and they decided to drive it around the industrial estate with no permission as it had no tax or mot and was trailer up there,

Fortunately a mate seen them joy riding around the estate,

When confronted about the situation they where ever so apologetic and have me a lovely discount as I said I will be informing the police that the twoc'ed it.

I would contact the police and let them know what has happened and say the garage is trying to make you go through your own insurance when it's them who where at fault and crashed it


Joe

[novasrredtop]

I did go F***ing mental. Especially when I got there expecting an apology but his attitude stank!!! Apparently he was driving, although he had no marks on his face because who ever drove the car hit the windscreen!!! The accident happened right outside the garage where he hit a crane!!! But the damage is on the opposite side to the story that he says also the crain is high up off the ground - so why is there damage low down on the car??? He's full of b***sh*t trying to get out of it. I think he's hiding something and covering for someone - I bet one of the YTS has jumped in it thinking wow Nova with a redtop I wannag go!! and hes lost it and crashed it!!! But after I walked away from him as I was loosing my temper I locked the car up and gave him the keys and he laughed in my face and said 'well its not going anywhere ha ha ha..... to that I completly lost it and said 'Is that suppose to be f***ing funny?. He then threatened to head butt me and said 'dont give me attitude!!! I had to walk away otherwise I would have put him 6 feet under!!! Fuming!!

[bazzap8389]

Really gutted for you mate, there's no excuse for that to happen, as said above seek some legal advice. I hope it works out good for you!

[Edd]

I would be doing life without parole if someone done that to me

That is a complete piss take

Why the fcuk is the bloke being difficult ffs ?

Get on to the police ASAP

[turbojolt]

call the old bill, joy riding in your can and threating behavior, dont hit him as if it ends up in court you will look like a wrongen

[novasrredtop]

I have spoken to police and they wont do anything about the car, the damage, the liability etc thats up to the insurers, the only thing the police can do is file a report for his behaviour!! F***ing pathetic!!!

[turbojolt]

sounds about right and they wonder why people take stuff in to there own hands, cunts.

[pie]

how can he speak to you like that, cheeky fuker ai


if someone laughed in my face n said that the nearest thing would be in their face (then id be locked up lol

[Southie]

Legal action is the only way to sort this place out imo!!! Utter http://www.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/boards/public/style_emoticons/default/tosser.gif

[Pistol Pete]

As some have said...get onto a lawyer, citizens advice and see what's what. Also I take it you have notified your insurance company. They may well be able to chase his insurance company.

As for his attitude....well, don't give him any grounds to get one over you.

Where is the car now?

[cormac81]

Thats unreal I wouldnt be claiming it through my insurance, they have took it somewhere and have binned it. Whats also worrying is what have they crashed it into, they may have left the scene of an accident etc.

[L33 LEG]

Im usually a very chilled out person but if that happened to me i would be going off my head! There's no way he should of been driving it in the first place, especially without your permission. Everything stinks about the story and so does his attitude. The last thing that should be happening is you claiming on your insurance. You wernt even driving it and the guy who was should be covered by the garage insurance so should go through that. I would seriously get legal advice and do them as much as you can, they sound like a bunch of dicks.

Unlucky about the car, looked a minter.

[Trivs_Tom]

I'm angry just reading this! I hope they get what they deserve!

[NOV4_SPORT]

Iam truly gutted for you, iam fuming just reading the posts, I like a lot of people, recon the garage owner is hiding the truth about the damage from you, it's totally shocking behaviour from the owner to treat you in this way mate.
Seek legal advice and it's good you managed to walk away without resolving to violence !

Iam not sure what else to say mate other than I hope you get it sorted out, but even getting compensation won't help, due to the condition and work that's been put into the car sadly

Iain

[Jack]

I'd ask them for info of their insurance and go direct; if they're not forthcoming then contact your insurance company, give them the garage name etc and get them on the case. Its what they're there for, and stuff like this which is pretty clear cut not your fault they should enjoy lol

There's no need for them to drive a car on the test, certainly not fast enough to bash it. The only reason they'd have to drive it is for the brake testing, and that's only if they can't use the rollers (e.g. 4wd, or the car is too low, etc).

Makes me wonder also if an apprentice jumped in it (usually the insurance won't let them!) and the boss man is trying to cover it.

[Mark]

Sickened!

[novasrredtop]

My insurance company cant do anything as I wasnt driving!!! And the legal company cant do anything because the garage hasnt reported the accident!!! Im now reporting the accident directly to his insurers to see if they will contact him!!

[Stuart]

CBA to read it all.

But try a management company like Kindertons, Europa etc to deal with it, that way you don't have to tell your insurance company anything.
This happened to my bosses brother, they rear ended someone in his S3 (it was a shed so don't worry lol) and they tried to weasel out of it by getting him to claim and they'd pay him the cash etc but he stood firm with some legal letters and they put it through their insurance properly.
Offer to contact VOSA, the Trading standards and Watchdog if they don't behave.

[turbojolt]

how much is your car valued at?

[WBC]

Flucking outrageous......

Feel for you chap :(

[novadave24]

sorry for you mate that looked a clean one is it to much to fix mate ?

[honie5]

like already said chap they should not be driving it more then 100 yards or so to take it in and out the garage to test it and especially if they have done no repairs. VOSA is a good shout they will hang his balls on a nail. car shouldnt be driven as quick as it has to cause that damage and the car has breaks and a key to shut it off if throttle or clutch gets stuck. id be contacting his insurers and VOSA and go back and take pictures of the site where it happened and the crane because there will be paint marks etc if that story is true and have a look around the roads near it to see if you can see any damage to anything. good luck lad hope he gets everything he deserves.

[paul james]

Thats a disgrace, I would tell everyone you know, get the word around and do some damage to his garages reputation. The stinky attitude and immediate claims about your car being at fault just show they are guilty of some dodgy driving, when they ought to be going out of their way to get things right for you.

[DAFTJOHN]

Gutted mate! I would call the police again and have them initially contact the garage for A) taking the car with no consent and B) not reporting the crash to their insurance. I would also contact VOSA and have them investigate.

Seems he's talking pish, the clutch kicked out and power stuck? They shouldn't have been driving and secondly I'm sure VOSA would inspect the car and confirm there was no mechanical issue.

100 percent seek legal advice to recover the car costs, your out of pocket costs for not having the car and then the fact they drove without permission.

Best of luck with this - could have been resolved easily and he decided not to. We all know how quickly a thread or video can go viral and sink a business!!!!

[kevos08]

Sare . Hope your outcome is good .

[kent14sr]

As John said - you must pursue it with the Police that they had no permission to take your car on the road!!

That will be a total loss I am sure through insurance

[Mike]

Defo a insurance write off. Contact VOSA & get legal advice chap as your about out of pocket by a car. Garanteed.

[phazer]

Not good, gutted for you. Wound me up reading about it.

Think everyone else has covered the 'what to do', just make sure you stick it to them - accidents happen but attitudes like that deserve everything they get.

[scott.parker]

Sorry with whats just happening with the missis car i need to un subscribe from this as im getting wound up reading more about this now, really am sorry for you mate, i would of used the nearest thing to break his head open if it were me..

[Connor]

Wow, what a cnut, i dont think i could keep my calm, but your doing great!
The crash is bad enough, but his attitude is 10x worse, get rogue traders in there :thumb:

[womble sri]

If that was my car that garage would be up in smoke by now!

[*Adz*]

Im really sorry to hear bout this pal, as others are saying though, dont leave it as it is, get down there take them to court, they were clearly ragging it, if nothing else was involved etc... Thats utter rubbish.. it dont look like a right mess of a car. I hope you screw them over like they have you mate! best of luck1

[Paul]

Did you actually give him permission to drive it? Ive either nissed that or you havent answered yet.

[~~joycey~~]

Utterly shocking! Cant believe he had the cheek to threaten you aswell!

[novadave24]

iam never leaving my car with the mot poeple i wait and wach them

[BRoadGhost]

A member of staff blatantly went for a drive in it imo and I would simple phone the police, then a solicitor for free advice.

It's easy after such an event to realise not to leave something special alone at such a place.

[nova gem 1970]

so sorry to hear of the mess of what the garage have done ,seek legal advice & get vosa involved ,thel get strung up :mad:

[hotrod]

Sorry to hear this mate, Its a shame when people take the pi*s like that and then to rub salt into the wound by threatening you too! Could you not go tell the story to the local papers? like someone said before the best way to hit them is to take down their reputation! sure word will spread fast. whereabouts is this shady garage?

[gearbox90]

sad times :( , so sorry for you mate. As said by the others get vosa involved, they wont like being involved with a cowboy outfit like this sounds.

[Lee H]

The outcome of this one could be interesting with car still being a 1.3 on the logbook! Think there could be an arguement there as the car shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

[Plug]

/\ that will be the owners problem and will only have to pay a fine or if he's lucky the differance in tax

[Dave.]

Gutted for you mate! Find out what he hit and get straight onto the phone to the police and VOSA, I know 4x4 vehicles can go off site to have the breaks tested because you cant do some of them on the rollers, totally out of order mate!

[firestorm2k2]

sorry to hear about this, i have registered just to give you some advise, this is taken from the MOT managers guide, (the administration manual the MOT station have to follow)

generally, they are liable for the loss, print this page off, and take it to the garage highlight 1(a), if he still tells you where to go, then go to VOSA, his local office number, and testing station number will be on the MOT notice board that HAS to be pubically available, take a pen, and paper, anyway, the info

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm

i have had 2 MOT testing garages, so know about this side of it, aswell as testing

good luck

[firestorm2k2]

ok, that didnt work, here it is

Liability for Loss or Damage 1. The extent of an AE's liability for damage is set out in Regulation 14 (1) of the Motor Vehicles (Tests) Regulations 1981 (SI 1981 No 1694) as amended but is repeated here for information

14 (1) Where a motor vehicle has been submitted for an examination to be carried out by a person other than a section 66A examiner, the authorised examiner or designated council (as the case may be ) shall have the same responsibility for:-

(a) loss of or damage to the vehicle or its equipment or accessories occurring in connection with the carrying out of the examination during any period while the vehicle is, in connection with the carrying out of the examination, in the custody of the authorised examiner or designated council (as the case may be), and

(b) loss or damage to any other property or personal injury (whether fatal or not), being loss, damage or injury arising out of the use of the vehicle in connection with the carrying out of the examination

as would rest on a person who, having the same facilities for carrying out the examination as are available to the person who is carrying out the examination, had undertaken for payment to accept the custody of the vehicle and to carry out the same examination under a contract making no express provision with respect to the incidence of liability as between the parties thereto for any such loss, damage or injury.


2. The above Regulation is particularly difficult for a layman to follow. Its exact meaning can only be decided by the courts. The ‘Department’s’ legal advisers have produced the following, which, whilst not a definitive interpretation of the legal position, is intended to make the meaning of Regulation 14(1) clearer. The term examiner in the explanation covers both AEs and Designated Council inspectors.


An examiner will be liable for the following types of damage in certain circumstances. The types of damage are


(a) loss or damage to a vehicle that has been submitted for testing,

(b) loss or damage to the equipment or accessories of a vehicle mentioned in (a),

(c) loss or damage to any other property,

(d) personal injury (whether fatal or not)

For an examiner to be liable for the types of damage listed in (a) and (b), the circumstances must be that the damage can be connected to an examination carried out by that examiner whilst the vehicle or accessory concerned was in his custody.


For an examiner to be liable for the types of damage listed in (c) and (d), the circumstances must be that the damage arose as a result of the use of the vehicle and can be connected to an examination carried out by an examiner.

Examples of the type of damage that (a) and (b) are intended to cover are where an examiner, whilst testing a vehicle smashes a brake light, causes the steering to become defective or inflicts other types of harm to the vehicle that did not exist at the time it was left in his possession for testing.

Examples of the types of damage that (c) and (d) are intended to cover are where an examiner gives a vehicle the all clear. Subsequently when it is used the brakes fail and an accident occurs, in which the driver or a passenger is injured or dies or property is damaged. If it can be shown that the examiner cleared the vehicle at a time when the brakes were defective he is liable.

[krobinson]

PM Sent

[Dave.]

Just noticed, probabley the least of your worries, but your drivers front centre cap has gone walkies too :thumb:

[MrVauxMad94]

this is shocking, especially with how tidy the car looks. the utter pr!ck. i really hope everything works in your favour mate and you get every penny you can get out of him. it sounds like the 'mechanic' is just trying to cover up for his rubbish driving. surely there is ways to prevent this so called 'accident'. gutted about the car :(

[mowgli]

you can't turn the clock back, but you could go to the police station & file a complaint against the garage owner for taking a vehicle without permission etc.....the coppers can't just dismiss this as an insurance matter... if the desk person won't help, ask to see someone higher up, and if they don't respond, ask to go higher.. kick up a stink...

remember, its not the fact that some 20 odd year old car has been pranged, its the fact that these idiots decided to take several thousand of your hard earned quid without your permission & wrap it round something.

you should chase every legal angle on this.

a very long time ago, i had moved house & used an allegedly reputable garage for an mot, and to fit me some braided hoses. the idiot mechanic son of the owner appeared at my door raving about its performance, (they offered a home delivery) and how he'd driven some quick motors & this was ace etc.....long story short... for 3 months, we had almost nightly attempts to nick it... and i hadn't told anyone else in the town about my cars performance.........he'd done 35 miles in it on the 1.5mile trip from the garage to my house.....

[Jon_nova1]

As some have said, a 4x4 car is only tested outside the MOT statiion, generally upto 10MPH.

Theres no point going to the police claiming twoc as you have given permission to the MOT garage, argue that you only gave permission for it to be MOT'd and the police will say well it was only across the road so you have no case.

The only thing you can do to get a charge on them is find out where it was crashed and get evidence etc, personally i would say the car was wedged underneath something then impacted on the front. I say this because of the way the bonnet has a straight dent in the top and the way the bonnet has crumbled upwards while what appears to be having the end forced down, this could also have caused some damaged on the wing if the wheel hit it, then due to the front end being caved in (what looks like) and other damage to wing it appears that while its been wedged under something the front end has impacted sometihing.

I can imagine a crane could do this as there is some overhang, but you would surely have paint scraped on it, personally i would look at the car and see any markings that would give it away, to be honest i'm half expecting there to be a tyre mark on the bumper from something like a landrover. I would start by looking at the crane first, if what they say is right there will be broken glass and an indicator lying on the floor

[8valve-craig]

Shocking. How you stayed calm i dont know.

In Hindsight you probably should have let him headbutt you. It might have helped bring the story out in interview.

I would personally go and buy some blank DVD's, then go looking for camera's in the vacinity of the garage. What you are looking for is a friendly manager who after hearing your story allows you to download the days CCTV. Hopefully this will show who was driving and at what time, which is a start.

It worked for me once, all be it a slightly different matter

[twistysnovagte]

just read from page 1 and im its actualy p!ssed me off sat here,but you have to do the right thing and see this through(legally)...............for now!

im sorry but if i had gone back to pick my car up and that's what had happened id have lost my cool BIG TIME!!!

more so gutted looking at it again(the nova how it was,looked a little beauty)

if your still at a stalemate with this then checking out cctv footage is a good idea;)

hope all turns out well.

[General Baxter]

http://motinfo.direct.gov.uk/internet/servlet/ECSIDDispatcher

put your reg and v5 number in there, see if it passed mot first, :)

[Novasport]

Sorry to see your loss mate :( Gives the motor industry a bad name. Glad I work for a garage, at least I can keep an eye on my cars when they are in for MOT etc. Not that they would do anything as we have a great, honest bunch of lads work there. Something to be said for using main dealers, you have more of a come back on them

I would get your car parked outside the garage with a poster in it saying 'Blowjob motors(Or whatever they are called) crashed my vehicle, would you trust them with yours?'
That would make them think twice if you get no joy any other way. Not good for business!

We had a customer sat in Peugeot headquarters for the day greeting every member of staff & vistor with a hand shake and said 'Hi I am ******* and I own a 206cc with a roof leak they cannot fix' They quickly gave him his money back lol

[Mark Sparks]

Like that idea lol

[hotrod]

Sorry to see your loss mate :( Gives the motor industry a bad name. Glad I work for a garage, at least I can keep an eye on my cars when they are in for MOT etc. Not that they would do anything as we have a great, honest bunch of lads work there. Something to be said for using main dealers, you have more of a come back on them

I would get your car parked outside the garage with a poster in it saying 'Blowjob motors(Or whatever they are called) crashed my vehicle, would you trust them with yours?'
That would make them think twice if you get no joy any other way. Not good for business!

We had a customer sat in Peugeot headquarters for the day greeting every member of staff & vistor with a hand shake and said 'Hi I am ******* and I own a 206cc with a roof leak they cannot fix' They quickly gave him his money back lol


That's the boy like! lol lol lol

[VXRdave]

Gutted mate and i hope you get it all sorted, just looking @ the 1st pic and on the recovery trucks is the phone number for the garage? You should get all ya mates to phone them and falsly book vehicles in for mot's and repairs, that would piss them off quite abit i would imagine :)

[burgo]

If it was me id torch his garage, see how big and clever he is then. Not that I can recommend or,condone this behaviour of course

[turbojolt]

I really wouldn't recommend any form of violence or anything that could be considered slander, dont ruin your chances of getting it all sorted legally first.

[ChrisMk1]

The only thing I can think of is get onto the local paper to come down and get his mug, and car damage on the front page!
"XYZ garage crashes your car when you trust them for a simple MOT" He won't like the press knocking about and you get maximum exposure to slag his "work" off.

Hope they fess up, so you can nail his gonads to the floor :)

Chris

[simoncuts]

What a c**t, so sorry for you. Crashed car parked out side his garage with a nice big sign saying"if you want your car to look like this, bring it here!" should do the job, with a tip off to the local press:thumb:

Inform VOSA of the situation as well, correct procedures must be followed otherwise his license is at risk surely?

Hope it gets resolved quickly :mad:

[DAFTJOHN]

For sure, vosa deduct points form the tester and those also get removed from the license holder, there are fines too...

[craig green]

I agree with most thing said so far.

I would inform VOSA, seek out his insurance company & approach the local newspaper just to finish him off with some bad press.
Be carefull about telling your insurance company as I would bet on them charging you more for the priviledge of this nightmare on future policies.

[Smutty Nutty]

I just had to join up to say how sorry I am about your stunning Nova, We are vauxhall made in this house Hubby as mk2 cavs im sure you will have seen them at car shows and 1 of them as been in TV. If some male had done that to my Vinnie he would be wearing his bollocks as ear rings. places like that should be shut down. good luck and I really hope you get the full truth and lots of money all though it will never replace your stunning Nova.

[a3ltr]

I've literally just joined up too after reading this story. I'm really sorry to read about this loss of a fine motor...

Before you contact VOSA, please check out the MOT status check online for the car to see if it's actually been tested.
If it has, please be aware that the 'person' who was actually testing the car is entitled to take the vehicle for a road test, not someone else.
If it hasn't been tested, or someone else took it out for a road test apart from the tester then you have a good case.

good luck matey

[JacksmithxD]

I just joined to say you need to kick right off! Seek legal advice, what they've done is out of order!

Not to sure on the rules of an MOT but I didn't think they had to drive it like!!

Either way name and shame the Garage, they crashed it, should be using there insurance not yours, if it was legit they'd not be ****ting! I got angry as **** just reading this so I made an account to reply!

[a3ltr]

I am a tester so it ya need any help etc, giz a shout !

[Pete]

Gutted for you mate, but on the other hand you've also shot yourself in the foot by having an XE but still a 1300 on the log book....

[marc69]

the last time I tested my 1.3 SR, the tester took it for a road test, I could hear him redlining it, I was furious but kept my mouth shut.

Then after an hour I could hear hammering, I went up and asked, he said that a bit by the front driver's turret looked like it was filler so he had been hammering it with a ahmmer and chisel, removed all the paint etc from under the turret and damaged all the top of the turret. Strangely as the rest of the car was mint it wasn't filler.

That was a few years ago and I have not gone back.

The tester I usually use doesn't road test, I asked him and he says he only road tests if he thinks there may be an issue.

Not much help for you but I hope you get somewhere with this as whoever was driving it shouldn't have been driving it like that, even if there was a clutch issue, whoever was driving should always be wary the first bit of driving in an unknown car, no excuses and end of story.

[brownbear]

Any local businesses to the garage that might have. CCTV that might have seen it been driven?

[Trivs_Tom]

The outcome of this one could be interesting with car still being a 1.3 on the logbook! Think there could be an arguement there as the car shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

Previously stated by the owner that it is fully covered on a modified car policy, read the thread...

[novasrredtop]

Wether the car is 1.3 or 2.0 or 2.5 or a f***ing 5.8 v8 twin turbo - would you expect it to be smashed up when all you asked for was an MOT test????? As far as my insurance goes its logged and rated as a 2.0 16v with all the other modifications! End of!! The car was left under their control and custody therefore it's their responsibility!! This is why I don't understand why he's being a c**t!! The car was deiven and tested by two different people!! And the funny thing is (well not funny but...) the garage is in the local press today for being in court for damaging someone else's car!!!! F**k me - if only I could turn back time!!!

[jam-77-nova]

Ad go straight to police just for his aditude being what it was i.e threatening to nut you?? Deserves every charge possible as obviously has something to hide or why resort to threatening you?

[nova_niek]

Gutted mate. :(

On top of all advice, please makes notes/photographs/video/audio records of anything and everything that happens. Get the garage owner to makes a written statement etc. etc. but most of all GET LEGAL ADVICE. This cahhhnt clearly has something to hide. He WILL pay.

[Lee H]

Previously stated by the owner that it is fully covered on a modified car policy, read the thread...

How can it be covered if its not had the right amount of tax paid to use the roads? Doesn't matter if the insurance know its a 2.0 if it's still taxed as a 1.3.

Don't see the point in doing it really to save about £90 a year in tax as the insurance is the expensive one to sort out.

Before everyone jumps on me for this I do feel sorry for the owner and agree this should never have happened whatever the owner has decided to tax/insure the car as. I always wait with my cars at MOT's because of things like this but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[8valve-craig]

Dont forget to keep a diary of every minute you spend chasing the matter. Every letter you write, every phone call, every visit and every stamp you send.

This is because when you are eventually compensated you will be charging his insurers for your time, expenses and phone bill.

[Edd]

So he is saying he won't compensate you ?

Why won't he go through his insurance ?

[Jack]

lol viral thread?

Lee does have a point regarding insurance. Tax evasion is generally frowned on by the law lol If you've just converted though and getting MOT so you can buy tax then fair enough, but its still dodgy ground. Having the wrong info on the V5 is an offence!


the garage is in the local press today for being in court for damaging someone else's car!!!! F**k me - if only I could turn back time!!!
Definitely worth going to the police then; they may be able to tie your problems into that case and get you some form of compensation out of it. If not then certainly get in touch with the paper with a 'that happened to me too...' letter.

[Pistol Pete]

Wether the car is 1.3 or 2.0 or 2.5 or a f***ing 5.8 v8 twin turbo - would you expect it to be smashed up when all you asked for was an MOT test????? As far as my insurance goes its logged and rated as a 2.0 16v with all the other modifications! End of!! The car was left under their control and custody therefore it's their responsibility!! This is why I don't understand why he's being a c**t!! The car was deiven and tested by two different people!! And the funny thing is (well not funny but...) the garage is in the local press today for being in court for damaging someone else's car!!!! F**k me - if only I could turn back time!!!

I think you have misunderstood. You have the incorrect information on your v5. Therefore your insurance company might try and wriggle out. Leaving you in a sticky situation.

[LEWI007]

Gutted for you mate, keep us updated.

[Stuart]

lol viral thread?

Lee does have a point regarding insurance. Tax evasion is generally frowned on by the law lol If you've just converted though and getting MOT so you can buy tax then fair enough, but its still dodgy ground. Having the wrong info on the V5 is an offence!


Definitely worth going to the police then; they may be able to tie your problems into that case and get you some form of compensation out of it. If not then certainly get in touch with the paper with a 'that happened to me too...' letter.


VED evasion is a simple civil matter. Naughty V5 is bad though.

[Asa-James]

Gutted doesn't describe it mate, telling everyone at work about it (MOT station) and no one can believe it. It's a very rare occasion if a car has to be road tested, despite the temptation (lambo's, ferrari's, AMG merc's, Porches...) get in touch with Vosa, speak to the owners of the crane and see if he reported the accident (if not, leaving the scene without contacting the owner is a crime) I know you've lost a car out of this, but I hope it all works in your favour as soon as possible bud

[marc69]

Is the chassis leg repairable or completely smashed up?

It may be possible foor you to gte the car repaired and then chase him for the costs and stress etc. YOu Really need to get legal advice, the only place I can thi nk of free is insurance lawyers or citizens advice, and if you don't like the advice, go back the next day and see someone different. I hada builder who tried to rip me off, first person in CA went alll funny as sson as i produced some of the headed paperwork and told me just to pay uup. My dad went in the next day, saw someone different who said tell the builder to get lost, I did and saved a fortune. So take your time (even though you are fuming) and get lots of careful advice.

Re the V5, get in touch with DVLA now and explain to them you have just hd the car converted and was getting it MOT'd so that as soon as it passed you could then gget it logged as a 2.0. Ask them is this going tt be an issue.

I had an accident a ffew years ago caused by a woman pulling out of a country road in ffront of me, long story short...didn't get no. plate as she took off, insurance would write the car off and send it to reading to dump. After considseration I didn't declare it and took 3 months and some money to get it back. I kept the original bumpers as they have scufffs (battle scars). basically it was a new front panel and wings etc. cost me about 500 i think.

[mowgli]

ok, to get your cars details changed at the dvla, so you can tax it correctly, you also need a valid mot.... and a valid mot with the new engine fitted is a positive thing whenn you change the details...

people are trying to pull minor holes in something major here... the person who crashed it will have left fingerprints & dna transfer in this car, the police really should get involved.

the offence of crashing a car during a road test is fairly minor..

the offence of covering up who was driving when it was crashed is massive... and definitely involves prison time.

[turbojolt]

in what world do you live were you think the police send out forensic teams for issues like this?

[Will F]

Police really wont care unless you can prove it was TWOC'd and I really dont think you can?

Its REALLY unfortunate though, as I would love to see some justice come out of this.

Its not a million miles from me, so if you need a hand fixing her - give me a bell.

[Edd]

Should of just battered him there and then imo

This kind of stuff makes me wanted to do a merris on everything, cant imagine what the op feels


The police don't even bother coming out if you've had your house broken into so I doubt they'll give two fcuks about this, the police force in general are useless imo

[Novasport]

Borrow some video recording equipment and a microphone boom and get some mates to pop down making out they are from Watchdog or similar. That ought to get him twitching lol

[Southie]

Borrow some video recording equipment and a microphone boom and get some mates to pop down making out they are from Watchdog or similar. That ought to get him twitching lol
Roger Cook would be better lol

[stupot89]

was talking to my local mot station about this and he said that you need to contact vosa and tell him you are doing so also get on to the local press and the CAB will help you out aswell.

[CRAIG-AICH]

if the owner of the garage is being a c**t about it i'd get the police involved, after all hes drove it with out your permission, by the looks of it hes been giving it a good hammering to cause that much damage and not just taking it into get the mot done, hopefully you get it sorted out and get a new nova

[Pistol Pete]

ok, to get your cars details changed at the dvla, so you can tax it correctly, you also need a valid mot.... and a valid mot with the new engine fitted is a positive thing whenn you change the details...

people are trying to pull minor holes in something major here... the person who crashed it will have left fingerprints & dna transfer in this car, the police really should get involved.

the offence of crashing a car during a road test is fairly minor..

the offence of covering up who was driving when it was crashed is massive... and definitely involves prison time.

Re needing a valid mot with new engine, yes. But what if the engine has been in for a while and tax fraud has been committed?

[Jon_nova1]

then theres no proof

[Iain]

Doubt they can prove how long the engine has been fitted for and if it was taxed incorrectly.

[TeddyThom]

I have spoken to police and they wont do anything about the car, the damage, the liability etc thats up to the insurers, the only thing the police can do is file a report for his behaviour!! F***ing pathetic!!!

Threatening behavior, TWOC'ing, leaving the scene of an accident, not reporting said accident, total loss claim, you should have enough compensation payout to buy at least three C20TBO's and have change lol.

Gutted for you mate, hope you get everything sorted out! I'd probably be doing time myself if this happened to my car...

[mowgli]

in what world do you live were you think the police send out forensic teams for issues like this?

i came home from holiday to find some low life had removed my nova windscreen...

i played merry fcuk into the police & they sent a scene of crimes tech round to take samples & fingerprints...

this strange world is called leicestershire...

it also helped that i also found the strolen windscreen all of 150 yards from home in someone elses nova& ran a massive one into the case officer

[Stuart]

My VX was dusted for prints and had DNA swabs taken from the stereo connectors when i reported it broken into.

[turbojolt]

unbelievable, when my mazda had the roof slashed and the cd player taken the police said 'what do you want us to do about it' same when my old mans house was robbed!!!

[mowgli]

attitude goes a long way

[turbojolt]

you clearly hold the ability to moan and whine like a bird on the rag, i just gave up and put a note in the window offering cash for info 'NO POLICE WILL BE INFORMED' worked a treat shame the guy was murdered before i got to give him a few digs really :/ the dirty crack head.

[Stuart]

I went into the station, mentions what had happened, purely for info so they could be on the look out and they send soco round within the hour. Not bad service when I wasn't ranting at them lol

[mowgli]

tj, i can be a stubborn bast4rd when i need to be..

eg. my local garage(for work) suddenly stopped us filling 20L jerry cans cos apparently it was illegal..
reason.. some bothering git decided he didn't like mallory park existing & tried to put a stop to where the racing school got their fuel, so he turned up with some paperwork 'proving' that you couldn't sell more than 2 gallons in 2 seperate cans....

so after ringing trading standards & the police licencing unit & then spending 4hrs on the interweb i produced proof that selling as opposed to storing fuel were 2 massively different things, and thus my blokes were able to buy as much fuel as they wanted, but they needed to store it in a safe place when they weren't using it..(they were)

i know it was a long winded response, but basically, get the facts & play merry hell into someone.... it is a simple fact that most coppers & all community support officers are quite ignorant of a lot of even simple laws.

[Hobbit]

Interesting cause I had some jobsworth give me grief for filling up a 20 litre drum with derv. He said you need a special licence to transport more than 5 litres at a time. I couldn't be bothered to argue as I normally fill up with red fron the yard, we had just run out.

[mowgli]

the 1929(or is it 1927?) regs state you can't store more than 2 gallons in 2 1 gallon cans in your own home!!!!!

the PETEL regs state that as long as you have a safe store (fireproof & 6m from a fire source) you can buy as much as you like, as long as you use proper safe cans & not some old plantwash cans etc....

as previously stated, i am a stubborn sod when someone tries to bullsh!t me

[Dod]

****ttt!!

I saw this on Facebook FFS. Thats appalling mate, you need to make contact with a solicitor and take this as far as you need to.

First up, why did they need to take the car out? Secondly, dont they need your permission to do so and thirdly, how do they explain the throttle sticking?


Appoligies if I missed any points as I only read the first page.

[_Jake]

If he's been threatening you etc. Im pretty sure he can be done on a public order offence for threatening behaviour

[johnd]

gutted for you mate hope you get this all sorted

[novalew]

all i can say is i'm truly gutted for you and hope that when you strip it back it is repairable. i hope that the matter gets sorted too

[JShannon]

Get vosa involved!

[CRAIG-AICH]

if the police dont do any thing pay a wee junkie a couple quid and send him into the garage to "speak" with the owner lol

[novasrredtop]

****ttt!!

I saw this on Facebook FFS. Thats appalling mate, you need to make contact with a solicitor and take this as far as you need to.

First up, why did they need to take the car out? Secondly, dont they need your permission to do so and thirdly, how do they explain the throttle sticking?


Appoligies if I missed any points as I only read the first page.


Facebook?? Your not on my facebook?

[novasrredtop]

I did ring police and in fairness he did sound young on the phone. Apparently they can only file a report for his behaviour. Up to now the owner of the garage hasnt reported the accident therefore my legal team are awaiting for this to happen. Ive sent a letter to his insurance company explaining the situation therefore Im waiting for them to open up the claim. Unfortunatly its a waiting game at the moment. He's playing funny bugger by delaying the claim!! I can only wait for so long therefore If he still hasnt reported the claim by after the weekend then Im all gun-ho to ring police, VOSA, local press, radio station, trading standards and the fferret!!!

[Pistol Pete]

Facebook?? Your not on my facebook?

If you havent checked your privacy settings, your posts are public.

[Alex J]

timeline is public on facebook i believe

[marc69]

I'm surprised that a garage owner hasn't offfered to do the repair or give you a cash settlement as when all this does kick in, he is going to be well out of pocket, insurance premiums, excess and I assume VOSA will at least penalise him some way. Apart from being foolish and not watching what happens to customers cars in his care, he is also a foolish twit as he is is being self destructive with his attitude. Oh, and a lot of bad publicity so lost trade.

Be patient, I think you are doing the right thing.

[Jack]

timeline is public on facebook i believe

Shouldn't be, I think (at last) they have set most stuff to private by default unless set otherwise. Although if a friend of a friend comments on a post about it, that may make it visible to more people. /tangent lol

[pie]

hope you get this sorted buddy

[scott.parker]

I posted it on my facebook page yesterday, and i believe it got shared on by 16-17 others from my friends list, so god knows how many have seen it if they all keep sharing it! lol

[pie]

it is does get shared even better people wil know about the garage and how much off cnut he is

i got friends in swansea who have seen it lol on fb by others etc

[sorryidriveabmw]

Scum bags, PM sent as I work in the Insurance Industry

[Edd]

Name and shame the garage for non facebook users please

[pie]

M & J motors is the name on the recovery trucks i think?

[turbojolt]

thats jumping the gun pie he never confirmed that!!! you could be condemning the people that helped him get it home lol

[pie]

f lol lol

[novasrredtop]

LOL no it is M&J Motors that crashed my car and acted as a complete a**hole!!

Still havent heard anything therefore on Monday VOSA and trading standards are being called.

[pie]

is the car still there?

[turbojolt]

LOL no it is M&J Motors that crashed my car and acted as a complete a**hole!!

Still havent heard anything therefore on Monday VOSA and trading standards are being called.

good good, lets get the word out then to warn people off them!

[bighed]

Just read this all the way through and I'm absolutely ****ing disgusted with how your being treated over this, which is blatant disregard to you and your nova!! :eek::eek:

Id do as others have said. Park it on the road outside the garage with signs in the window saying what's happened.

What a joke

[turbojolt]

have a look at this review as well clicky (http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/m-and-j-motors-swansea) sounds like a right dodgey garage

[General Baxter]

have a look at this review as well clicky (http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/m-and-j-motors-swansea) sounds like a right dodgey garage


lmao, people pay extra for that kinda mot :p

[pie]

thats what we call a pub mot lol

[turbojolt]

thats what we call a pub mot lol

have another look ;) lol

[Jack]

have a look at this review as well clicky (http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/m-and-j-motors-swansea) sounds like a right dodgey garage
LMFAO if the car was that dangerous, wtf was the woman doing driving it.

[pie]

f lol lol

love it :)

who ever linked this thread to the reviews needs rep :thumb:

[turbojolt]

look how many views this has got :o hopefully thats some of the business out of the window

[marc69]

I am pleased to see the link from here on that page as a review

[pie]

seems this has hit other forums now !! f lol lol

http://www.astraownersclub.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3115984

[turbojolt]

dont forget fiat forum, mx5nuts and later its going on southwales mod :)

[Zeus]

Truly gutted for you. Hope you get it all sorted. BTW put it as my facebook status

[DAFTJOHN]

Seems its going mini viral! Let's hope he sorts it for you

[AndyCott]

Hello, Sorry to see whats happened to your Nova mate and hope it's sorted soon. Seen this thread linked on Vauxhall Drivers Club forum. Posted it to my FB page, A friend in the US saw it and has posted to his Pontiac GTO owners clubsite, So it's made it over the Atlantic now.

[Keif]

Come on Andy, link to the Pontiac GTO forum thread.

[pie]

:eek:

[Jack]

I can imaging all those GTO owners who were considering bringing their cars over for MOTs will be thinking twice about going there now lol

[mowgli]

like going viral has actually done anyone any good........

[andyredtop83]

Im only going to say what everyone else has said, but i hope you manage to get this sorted and the garage suffer big time. Novas are getting so rare now that even seeing a 4door loon scrapped upsets me but to see a tidy mk 1 sr with all that damage when the owner has probably spent a lot of time and money on it really winds me up especially when the person who caused it dont seem to give a toss :mad:

[jonn]

well said andy, seen a nice nova in my scrap yard and was very tempted to buy it but have to many projects. i would be propper p!ssed if i crashed my own nova so must be twice as bad because some clown was acting the bollocks and crashed it when he should of been doing the mot, hope they get this sorted out

[TCAdmin]

Another registration just to say sorry to hear that you've had so much trouble.

It's also good to see confirmation that it was definately M&J that caused the damage as we were all going by the recovery truck and it could have turned into a witch-hunt!

We will be watching this with interest with hopes of a good outcome for you.

totalcarlton.com

[Dod]

Wow, I haven't been on totalcarlton in ages.

Great response here mate, I say take it as far as you can. Failing that, you've enough support to put 50 cars outside the MOT centre in Protest.

[DAFTJOHN]

like going viral has actually done anyone any good........

Potentially someone will read the feedback and bingo won't use m&j. That's a help, although may not help the op.

[mowgli]

most people who mot their car don't read web based car forums.. they just look in the local rag to see who is cheapest this week..

the OP needs to pursue this with the police & authorities.

[turbojolt]

most people who mot their car don't read web based car forums.. they just look in the local rag to see who is cheapest this week..

the OP needs to pursue this with the police & authorities.

so its not helping the majority so now its useless ? rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt tt.......

[Martay]

Another signing up to say i think its disgusting. Got linked to this on cavmk3oc.
http://www.cavmk3oc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9547

I might ring and book mine in, and just politly ask them not to write it off in the process lol

[Novasport]

If you Google M&J Motors Swansea, the Migweb thread comes up as the 6th result down :)

[Spudly]

So has the op had the car removed from the garage premises yet, as that would be my first port of call, to prevent any other misfortunes befalling it, and i would be down there with a load of mates, demanding that they sort this situation out, as if the police dont want to know (civil case so they wont) taking the heavy handed approach seems the only solution imo, hope that turning up with a load of heads behind you will scare the owner into paying up for the damages!

[7ova]

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[hotrod]

I linked it on clubcalibra.net, vauxsausage and on my FB just to spread the word also seen it on a load of other places word is definatlly spreading mate! What is it they say "A happy customer will tell a friend an unhappy one will tell everyone!" Hang on on there karma will get them for this! lol Still say its worth going to the local papers about it though!

[mowgli]

ok, doing a childish booking stunt won't work, as they ask for a phone no. Then they can get legal.. Or simply put your number on a gay dogging site....

Also turning up with a busload of lads will definitely get the old bill out. Trying to extort monies by menace is quite serious too.

Think trading stds, local press, local consumer radio show. And try walking into a police station and filing a proper complaint so it has to be investigated.

[hotrod]

Mowgli's right the only way to do it is by spreading the word about their tin pot operation! power to the people and all that! lol

[burgo]

how about a club meet there? lol

[hotrod]

From what I hear I wouldn't want to take any of my cars in the same street never mind taking the Nova to the garage! lol lol

[pie]

f lol burgo

[1up2down]

Another member registered, read it, all I can say is... wow,

just to let you know this is also on pistonheads forums:

http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=1177659&mid=0&nmt=Garage+crashed+car+and+aren%27t+playing+ball%2 E

Good luck with your case mate!

[paul080803]

This has now made it onto M3cutters too!

[Paul]

A few months back. A garage ripped my front bumper off my bmw. I gave them two choices. My friends bodyshop or BMW dealer bodyshop. It was sorted in a few weeks but i had to ring everyday and went down there a few times and had to ring head office.

Just keep pestering them and be stern. You are within you right to chose a trusted repairer etc.

[novasrredtop]

Well its Monday. Will keep you posted.

[Mark]

Good luck.

[richz_nova]

just read all of the thread mate hope you get this sorted out and they take full responsibility what fekin w*****s good luck with it

[TCAdmin]

Ok just a few points for you

1) It is an offence a very serious one for an AE or an NT (mot tester's) to threaten violence to the vehicle presenter (you) or indeed to anyone else this can result in them losing the right to carry out testing

2) My first port of call would be to VOSA report this straight away and allow them to carry out their investigation depending on the outcome of this could even mean jail time they really do have that kind of weight!! The guy is obviously in the wrong and needs bringing to book for this.

I am for my sins an MOT tester and i had a few mins to look this up in our "Bible" today in all honesty i would have let him assault me then the police would have had to get involved!!

jm2pw

all the best in getting this resolved
TCAdmin

[BRABUS]

I have just seen this over on a classic VW forum http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=784670 and I feel for you. It is starting to go viral which is what you need. May I quote a previous post and show how using the power of the internet and taking the right action works for you :)



We had a customer sat in Peugeot headquarters for the day greeting every member of staff & vistor with a hand shake and said 'Hi I am ******* and I own a 206cc with a roof leak they cannot fix' They quickly gave him his money back lol


This story is slightly wrong. That 206CC (2 months old) was damaged by the local Peogeot dealer when peogeot instructed them to do a repair to the leaking roof that the owner had cleary said not to do. The owner then drove there and then to Peugeot HQ and as you said in a clam and collected manner spoke to everyone they could. Peugeot gave the owner a courtesy car very quickly even though the 206CC was very new at the time and no one had any stocks. The car never was repaired properly and the owner got a new car.

This new car also leaked and when less than a week old the owner asked for a refund having lost all faith in the model. The garage & Peugeot UK refused. Peugeot UK supplied the owner with a courtesy car while they argued - 406 estate - lots of windows :) :) . The owner went to trading standards, got legal advice on a sign and posted it in all of the windws that were behind the driver and then drove around for a week. The sign basically stated what had happened and also a link to the 206cc owners website where a thread like thsi was running. This got a lot of publicity and the owner was quickly contacted and offered an immediate refund in full.


Now how do I know this? Well I was that person. This may sound like a rambling thread but the point I am trying to make is that if you do things right and get advice first you can get some cracking results.



If people want to help then can I suggest that you all go to the review of the garage that someone put up earlier ** Click for review ** (http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/m-and-j-motors-swansea) and all click on the comment that links to this thread and mark the review/comment as useful. You can't be done for just clicking the review as useful but you will be helping as it will also help the review climb the search engines ;)

[Southie]

/\ the cracking result is you now obviously own a Brabus then lol

[BRABUS]

I own many toys these days but never a Peugeot again :)

[turbojolt]

what a pleasant few on that page, completely missing the point and unable to see past there vw badges.

[BRABUS]

We are not all like that. I came here to offer help and not to ridicule :(

[Spudly]

I love reply #8 on that vw forum :d

[turbojolt]

We are not all like that. I came here to offer help and not to ridicule :(

that why i didn't say all mate, its just a personal hate of mine, people that seem to only believe one car marque can be any good! its so short sighted


good to see the word getting about, and its mega freaky Friday you being mentioned on here lol

[Novasport]

INow how do I know this? Well I was that person. This may sound like a rambling thread but the point I am trying to make is that if you do things right and get advice first you can get some cracking results.

Hi, and welcome to the forum. Sorry I got the story slightly wrong, I got it second hand from a colleague and was from memory but I think I got the basic story accross.
Just trying to use it as an example to as you say, do it right and get good results. I was quite impressed and amused at how you had gone about it and thought it was a great idea to make a point and get things moving in the right direction

[BRABUS]

No worries, just dumb struck that my antics are still circling the internet :) Do you work for a dealer or Peugeot UK ?

[Novasport]

I work for a dealer.

[BRABUS]

Part of this tale was in Autoexpress as well with pictures. I hit Peugeot with everything I could :) My advice to the OP is get the press involved. Once the olympics are over they will be desperate for stories.

[Mike]

I have just seen this over on a classic VW forum http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=784670 and I feel for you. It is starting to go viral which is what you need. May I quote a previous post and show how using the power of the internet and taking the right action works for you :)

This story is slightly wrong. That 206CC (2 months old) was damaged by the local Peogeot dealer when peogeot instructed them to do a repair to the leaking roof that the owner had cleary said not to do. The owner then drove there and then to Peugeot HQ and as you said in a clam and collected manner spoke to everyone they could. Peugeot gave the owner a courtesy car very quickly even though the 206CC was very new at the time and no one had any stocks. The car never was repaired properly and the owner got a new car.

This new car also leaked and when less than a week old the owner asked for a refund having lost all faith in the model. The garage & Peugeot UK refused. Peugeot UK supplied the owner with a courtesy car while they argued - 406 estate - lots of windows :) :) . The owner went to trading standards, got legal advice on a sign and posted it in all of the windws that were behind the driver and then drove around for a week. The sign basically stated what had happened and also a link to the 206cc owners website where a thread like thsi was running. This got a lot of publicity and the owner was quickly contacted and offered an immediate refund in full.

Now how do I know this? Well I was that person. This may sound like a rambling thread but the point I am trying to make is that if you do things right and get advice first you can get some cracking results.

Legend!

On another note, this thread has also appeared on Rotary UK & also MLR it was mentioned on.

[pie]

"owners fault" ? lmfao

[Novasport]

I agree with them on the spelling ;)

[pie]

" but as some said its only a **** nova"

not our fault our cars are not named Herbie and does stunts.....................

[turbojolt]

" but as they said its only a **** nova"

not our fault our cars are not named Herbie and does stunts.....................

they didnt all say it matey, just a select few knob heads with there mister magoo eyes on

[davie_slim]

sorry to hear about the wee car :( i worked for a bodyshop years ago when the owner took again a customers nova sri home without permission and lost control of it and killed it by going through a billboard, he took full responsability and replaced the car for the customer, not exactly like for like but a mint condition mk2 golf gti

not something the customer expected, one minutes hes supplying new panels to have the car restored and next hes selling the bits as the cars destroyed

[pie]

Views: 48,971 :eek:

[vdubkev]

Hi all, First of all sorry to hear about the damage, It looks a great car and hope you can get it sorted.

I have a couple of quick questions to ask.
1. Did the car actually make it to the MOT station? If so did it pass or have any advisories? The reason i ask is it will have the mileage printed on the paperwork pass or fail, if its a mile down the road from the garage but the clock reads more you know it was driven further than required and helps to prove they were joy riding it. The paperwork is printed after all break tests are done so they cant blame extra miles for use on the rollers.

[astrosafari]

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Damage-car-denied/story-16589365-detail/story.html
Interesting read as his ex wife was in court the day previous to the mot for criminal damage to a car on the forecourt (if this is indeed the centre involved)

[M.C.F.C]

f*cking w*nkers another sr dead!! i hope you sue that garage dude

[BRABUS]

That article doesnt mention the date when she caused the damage? The article is the same date though as the Nova was damaged.


Do you want me to do some digging with a friend of mine in the South Wales press ;)


I haven't spoken to my friend yet but I have got the South Wales Post already looking at this thread :) :)

[John]

Good to see everyone appreciating the nova! (from someone who has both a beetle and a nova!)

[novasrredtop]

I have just seen this over on a classic VW forum http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=784670 and I feel for you. It is starting to go viral which is what you need. May I quote a previous post and show how using the power of the internet and taking the right action works for you :)





This story is slightly wrong. That 206CC (2 months old) was damaged by the local Peogeot dealer when peogeot instructed them to do a repair to the leaking roof that the owner had cleary said not to do. The owner then drove there and then to Peugeot HQ and as you said in a clam and collected manner spoke to everyone they could. Peugeot gave the owner a courtesy car very quickly even though the 206CC was very new at the time and no one had any stocks. The car never was repaired properly and the owner got a new car.

This new car also leaked and when less than a week old the owner asked for a refund having lost all faith in the model. The garage & Peugeot UK refused. Peugeot UK supplied the owner with a courtesy car while they argued - 406 estate - lots of windows :) :) . The owner went to trading standards, got legal advice on a sign and posted it in all of the windws that were behind the driver and then drove around for a week. The sign basically stated what had happened and also a link to the 206cc owners website where a thread like thsi was running. This got a lot of publicity and the owner was quickly contacted and offered an immediate refund in full.


Now how do I know this? Well I was that person. This may sound like a rambling thread but the point I am trying to make is that if you do things right and get advice first you can get some cracking results.



If people want to help then can I suggest that you all go to the review of the garage that someone put up earlier ** Click for review ** (http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/m-and-j-motors-swansea) and all click on the comment that links to this thread and mark the review/comment as useful. You can't be done for just clicking the review as useful but you will be helping as it will also help the review climb the search engines ;)

WOW - Thank you very much!! The only problem is I need a Limousine so that I definatly get attention!!!

[Spudly]

" but as some said its only a **** nova"

not our fault our cars are not named Herbie and does stunts.....................


they didnt all say it matey, just a select few knob heads with there mister magoo eyes on


Yeah but then if you look at it another way, it is just a nova, but because we're the nova enthusiasts it's more than just a nova to us, not poking abuse at Edd here but to use him as an example, he doesnt like fords and to him, for example a mk1 fiesta supersport, is just a **** fiesta!

But to the ford boys it's certainly not as they're the fiesta enthusiasts!

It's each to their own, i can fortunately appreciate pretty much all cars (with a few exceptions) but remember boys and girls, they will be reading this aswell, so if they want to say 'meh, its just an old scrapper' then let them be and if you dont like the cars their forum is about, just take the moral high ground and type nothing, but think it to yourself please :p

[pie]

true spud :thumb:

i own a boat :)

[Mike]

Yeah but then if you look at it another way, it is just a nova, but because we're the nova enthusiasts it's more than just a nova to us, not poking abuse at Edd here but to use him as an example, he doesnt like fords and to him, for example a mk1 fiesta supersport, is just a **** fiesta!

But to the ford boys it's certainly not as they're the fiesta enthusiasts!

It's each to their own, i can fortunately appreciate pretty much all cars (with a few exceptions) but remember boys and girls, they will be reading this aswell, so if they want to say 'meh, its just an old scrapper' then let them be and if you dont like the cars their forum is about, just take the moral high ground and type nothing, but think it to yourself please :p

This. Gotta lol lol at others narrow minded'ness though..... Might just be a Nova, or a farking Ferrari... the point is that its some poor funkers car that they've had to pay for one way or another regardless of what it is.

I mean to me Beetles are just old tin pot scrappers anyway, but the fact remains the same... some (arguably stupid lol) sole has had to work damn hard to pay well over the odds for a piece of weight bridge furniture so its more then "Just a shonky old Beetle" so to speak.

[Edd]

I like mk1 fiesta supersports

[Spudly]

I like mk1 fiesta supersports





Damn you, shush lol

[BRABUS]

I own 2 beetles and you are right lol


Anyway lets get back on topic. Any news on where we are with thsi car and this garage?

[turbojolt]

and i just checked a beetle appears to be easyer to replace then a nova, nearly 100 of them on ebay compared to the 30 odd novas :P

[Mike]

and i just checked a beetle appears to be able to replace then a nova, nearly 100 of them on ebay compared to the 30 odd novas :P

This isnt the point though is it.... wooden spoon away please chopper.

[Spudly]

As above, behave please mr jolt, or ill give you the night off :p

[pie]

spud have spoken every one hide......................

[BRABUS]

SECOND TRY


lets get back on topic lol

[Mr_P]

Hi guys,

Another new sign-up, I spotted this on M3cutters.

I read the entire thread on my phone, hoping to hear some news and feedback from the OP. It took me until about page 12 before I realised this was in Swansea (local to me.)

I don't know much about the garage in question, I'd heard of it before this thread but couldn't have told anybody where it was. So I looked it up after hearing about this.


To the OP. I don't know how much luck you've got with the garage or neighbouring companies regarding CCTV. But I had to sign up to let you know this:-
I have very close contacts with the two men who own the two garage lots next to Town Tyres (for people who don't know where this is, it's a couple of hundred yards down the road from the garage who wrecked this car) I am not on personal terms with town tyres but both these people are.

If you are struggling to get anywhere, or haven't had any luck. Let me know if you want me to get you some personal contact details for the people who own the allotments mentioned. You may be aware that they are currently not being used but one of them has not been deserted yet as he is moving all his gear to Fabian Way so has been at the garage most days.

PM or email me, I have allowed users to email me, if you want me to try and help out in anyway I can.

[Pete]

This thread has gone pointless now... It's gone viral and thousands of people from forums are viewing this and could offer so much help into going in the right direction. Yet OP has hardly kept everyone updated.
Understandably he's fighting his case with the garage and trying to get it sorted but ffs please keep us updated...

TJ has more posts in this thread than OP lol

[Novasport]

I think he should have explored the CCTV avenue days ago before any evidence is erased. If it has not been done already it needs to be done urgently

[Southie]

Personally I think the thread should be closed and when the OP decides he wants it reopening he should contact Admin.

Points have been made, options and opinions are just getting repeated.

[Jack]

we're the nova enthusiasts
We're what? :wtf:

[BRABUS]

This thread is rapidly going no where :(


Where is the OP. If you are working behind the scenes at least tell us that and then we can check back less frequently.

[se4]

As previously stated, it doesn't matter what car it is is, nova, ferrari, or anything in between.

Simple fact is that someone's only means of transport has been taken from them.

How will you get to work without your car?

How will your kids get to school?

How will you get to the supermarket?

What if there was an emergency and you had to get somewhere ASAP?

They broke it, they either repair it, replace it, or compensate you.

I'm a swansea lad and can recommend you an excellent garage, 110% honest and trustworthy, owned and run by a true car enthusiast and ex vauxhall technician. And no they don't deal with M&J!

[humbucker]

Been following this thread with interest but not checking in. Whenever I think about it this scene springs to mind...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVACbEHkV2Q

Closely followed by this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S7AyiVfNdA

I hope you get it sorted pal. Keep us updated.

[24seven]

Hey folks. This was posted on the 205gtidrivers forum and I've now shared it with the Swansea Metropolitan University Motorsport Society. I hope everything works out for you. We should get a load of nearby from all the different forums to go and block the entrance to his garage for a couple of days. Perhaps the threat of losing trade might persuade him to respond more favourably.

Swansea is dire generally it seems. Last month I had my 309 GTi stolen from Mount Pleasant without a trace. :(

[brownbear]

Recurring theme for this garage?? http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Damage-car-denied/story-16589365-detail/story.html This made me feel sick!

Seems the garage isn't reputable and has a habit of doing this.. Shouldn't be too difficult for you to get this sorted fella with them having a past record.

Still truly gutted for you!

[Stuart]

Hey folks. This was posted on the 205gtidrivers forum and I've now shared it with the Swansea Metropolitan University Motorsport Society. I hope everything works out for you. We should get a load of nearby from all the different forums to go and block the entrance to his garage for a couple of days. Perhaps the threat of losing trade might persuade him to respond more favourably.

Swansea is dire generally it seems. Last month I had my 309 GTi stolen from Mount Pleasant without a trace. :(


Mount un-Pleasent was ace... had my car broken into, nothing taken and nothing really damaged lol
How is the Swansea Institute these days? (I refuse to call it the metro as it wasn't that when I was there (10 years ago arghhh)

[novasrredtop]

In response to some previous posts that apparently I dont keep you updated. I do work full time therefore I havent got time to sit in front of the computer all day and night. And on the other hand as this is public I dont want to disclose too much info.

But I rang the garage yesterday to see if I could sort something out but all I got again was unapproachable behaviour and then he hung up!!!

A letter has been sent to VOSA and the police have been informed. Unfortunatly its a waiting game now, therefore I might not get any updates for a while - (sorry to dissapoint some of you)

[8valve-craig]

Informing the police is pointless. As is ringing the garage.

You need to go to the police with the evidence that they were too incompetent to gather.

I bet the garage owner must be laughing.

[novasrredtop]

Why would he be laughing?? Its a clear cut liability!!

[novasrredtop]

Mount un-Pleasent was ace... had my car broken into, nothing taken and nothing really damaged lol
How is the Swansea Institute these days? (I refuse to call it the metro as it wasn't that when I was there (10 years ago arghhh)

I was in the institute 2000 - 2002 doing the Motorsport course!

[8valve-craig]

Why would he be laughing?? Its a clear cut liability!!

Because it appears to him at this point in time that you have gone away with your tail between your legs. What he has effectively done is crash into you in the street, refuse to give you his details and drive off.

Informing VOSA isnt going to do anything other than MAYBE stop him from doing it to someone else in the future.

[paul james]

I hope the car is back in your possession and not still at that garage.

[Prey]

Because it appears to him at this point in time that you have gone away with your tail between your legs. What he has effectively done is crash into you in the street, refuse to give you his details and drive off.

Informing VOSA isnt going to do anything other than MAYBE stop him from doing it to someone else in the future.

unfortunately i have to agree, nowadays you get NOTHING by waiting and hoping other people do their jobs. they won't.

you win by being loud, insistent (and annoying) until people give you what you want/need/are entitled to in order to shut you up.

go the the police and get it down on a complaint that he has crashed your car and then threatened you (make a big deal about this), then ring the police, vosa, trading standards, local press daily if you have to until someone cares. also get legal advice and get this sent to him in writing.

i can't think of other things but GET ADVICE and then don't go away, if you wait it will just get forgotten.

[Greencard]

Greetings from E46zone (http://www.e46zone.com/forum/topic/38146-one-mot-test-centre-you-need-to-avoid/page__pid__554219#entry554219) and Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/Wales/comments/xi9yo/garage_write_off_customers_car_all_owners_gets_is/). I hope you get this sorted soon. I'd be out there with a picket sign stood by the car letting potential customers know just how well they look after customers/customers cars.

[skyinsurance]

Go to citizens advice.

[tony k]

Really gutted for you,I wouldn't be phoning them to see what's going on,you should go down there in person,best thing to do as you said he keeps being horrible,is record every conversation with him or whoever down there,as will be more evidence in your favour,keep pestering them,you could even get one of your mates to film it on there phone or something along them lines,hope you get this sorted will keep a eye on this to see the outcome

[series.1.rs.turbo]

Hi ... another one joined up to say this is linked to S1 RS Turbo Forum

http://www.seriesoneturbo.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35467

... and I will add it to the RS Owners Club & Blue Oval Owners if its not already ..


Hope the owner gets his car sorted, and the Garage Owner gets the full power of VOSA/Law/Ins Co's right up his ar5e :thumb:

[greene94]

what wheels are on this cars

[series.1.rs.turbo]

Just added it to the RSOC in Gen Discussion and Focus RS section, as a lot of Focus owners from that area ..

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rsocbb/showthread.php?p=2731549419#post2731549419

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rsocbb/showthread.php?t=438897


... and to the Blue Oval Site .. again, a lot of peole from that area on that site ..

http://www.blueoval-enthusiastsclub.com/

:thumb:

[novasrredtop]

Used to be speedlines but week before this happened I put those Astra LS steels on with brand new tires including the spare and the centre caps!!

[Spudly]

So the question that still seems to not be answered, is where is the car now, surely its not still on their premises?

[turbojolt]

goes to show just how bad this is when even the ford boys feel sorry fo you matey

[Southie]

This is the concerning bit tbh \/\/\/


I did go F***ing mental. Especially when I got there expecting an apology but his attitude stank!!! Apparently he was driving, although he had no marks on his face because who ever drove the car hit the windscreen!!! The accident happened right outside the garage where he hit a crane!!! But the damage is on the opposite side to the story that he says also the crain is high up off the ground - so why is there damage low down on the car??? He's full of b***sh*t trying to get out of it. I think he's hiding something and covering for someone - I bet one of the YTS has jumped in it thinking wow Nova with a redtop I wannag go!! and hes lost it and crashed it!!! But after I walked away from him as I was loosing my temper I locked the car up and gave him the keys and he laughed in my face and said 'well its not going anywhere ha ha ha..... to that I completly lost it and said 'Is that suppose to be f***ing funny?. He then threatened to head butt me and said 'dont give me attitude!!! I had to walk away otherwise I would have put him 6 feet under!!! Fuming!!

[Spudly]

Exactly, is the car still there, has the OP been back, i bet its been cubed/weighed in by now!

[_Jake]

goes to show just how bad this is when even the ford boys feel sorry fo you matey
lollollollollol!!!

I'd of been straight back with a transporter/trailer/whatever if it was me to collect the poor thing! following suit with what everyone else has said, kick up a ****ing great fuss. the bloke obviously is as honest as a cheap swiss watch if this isnt the first car thats been damaged under his watch. I hope for your sake the cars in your possesion, as having a wrecked nova on his forecourt isnt going to be doing good for his business which would make the bloke more inclined to cube it etc...