i want a propper internet connection [Archive] - Performance Nova Group

turbojolt

14-05-12, 04:57 PM

I want a Propper internet connection to the house so I don't have to use my phone all the time and it seems stupid putting money on her internet stick 'thingie ma bobbie' as it runs out every 10seconds

Who are good to go with?

I don't want piss poor reception as I want to get xbox live sorted and hate all that lag Crap and I hate waiting ages for videos to load up on YouTube ect

I clearly have no idea what to look for lol hoping for the same good advice I revived when buying my tv as I'm chuffed with that (Samsung are epic :))

Jack

14-05-12, 05:24 PM

http://www.broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk/broadband_speed_in_my_area.aspx

...will give you an idea of what people around you are getting and on what services. Also have a look here (http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search) to see what your exchange has installed and is capable of.

I don't do gaming online but afaik gamers like a nice fast ping, something under 30ms would be ideal but I've seen people say anything under 100 is fine.

Mike

14-05-12, 05:35 PM

Virgin 10mb. Nice, cheap, reliable as you like. Still plenty fast for online gaming too.

20mb is obviously more costly, barely any noticable difference to 10mb either.

Virgin 50mb super hub is awesomely quick but it wont be long before they hike the price up on it & coin it in from everyone whos got it on the cheap at the min.

Where I live SKY is averaging 2.3mb, with BT & Virging at nearly 19mb.

swedge

14-05-12, 05:35 PM

ping is pretty irrelivent for gaming as the servers you will be playing on will be all over europe so your ping will vary

ideally for gaming you will want over 2mb, i dont know where you live but i live in the middle of no where and i usedf to only get crappy 2mb broadband which was sorta ok for gaming

ideally you want 8mb or over

and remember when you phone them up they will say you wil GET UP TO 8mb or whatever that dosnt mean you will actually get it

fibre is what you want really

Mike

14-05-12, 05:38 PM

fibre is what you want really

Fibre area isnt worth the paper its written on as its only fibre upto the node (green box to you normal people) from there to your house its just simple copper cored siamese CatV. And just like electricity cables you get dBmv loss per X metre length of cable.

I know, I used to install it for Fujitsu.

swedge

14-05-12, 05:41 PM

i also know this i work for bt's main supplier of fibre cable and i do the testing lol

Mike

14-05-12, 05:43 PM

i also know this i work for bt's main supplier of fibre cable and i do the testing lol

Oooh, CASS is it you work for? Thats who BT use round my way to do FO fitments.

Unless its fibre the property IMO its not worth any more £ outlay then standard internetz.

turbojolt

14-05-12, 05:45 PM

So its only as good as its weakest link like everything else going?

Mike

14-05-12, 05:47 PM

So its only as good as its weakest link like everything else going?

Pretty much.

DAFTJOHN

14-05-12, 05:51 PM

If you have fibre to your house go for that if not go fibre to the cabinet, if you don't have that get copper, if you don't have that get a radio link lol.

Use your tel number when checking speeds that's when you'll get the most accurate result.

Or I could sell you dedicated fibre, 10mb 6k a year :)

turbojolt

14-05-12, 05:57 PM

I don't have a house line open right now to check it like that lol

Are any of these phone/internet/t.v deals anygood virgin seem to send a letter everyweek

Mike

14-05-12, 06:03 PM

I don't have a house line open right now to check it like that lol

Are any of these phone/internet/t.v deals anygood virgin seem to send a letter everyweek

Depends what your after. Personally Im only interested in the internet as I watch about an hour of tv a week. If that.

swedge

14-05-12, 06:07 PM

turbojolt

14-05-12, 06:12 PM

Me and my bird watch a lot of tv and a lot of films that another reason I want a Propper internet connection so I can start watching films straight of the internet on to the tv again

I miss all the discovery channels I use to watch lol

Mike

14-05-12, 06:28 PM

i work for Emtelle, most of the stuff we supply to BT is the big duct that goes to under the ground not to the houses i dont know who they use for that

were the people that cause the roadworks when thier digging up lol

were trialling aerial product atm so fibre can be hung from the poles instead of digging up the ground but that needs metal cable installed at the same time to stop it stretching but thats all hush hush atm lol

CASS do loads of under ground work to/from nodes here in the Midlands for BT & Virgin. They dont to optic to the doorstep as Virgin/Fujitsu dont offer that, I dont think anyone does at the moment either TBH??

swedge

14-05-12, 06:32 PM

well wer do make fibre to the home but i dont think its for BT

Mike

14-05-12, 06:38 PM

well wer do make fibre to the home but i dont think its for BT

Must be Virgin then as it definetly aint Sky lol lol

swedge

14-05-12, 06:46 PM

feck knows me make that much for different companies i get lost we ship worldwide and are a pretty large companie with factories in denmark and india too

Jack

14-05-12, 06:56 PM

Fibre area isnt worth the paper its written on as its only fibre upto the node (green box to you normal people) from there to your house its just simple copper cored siamese CatV. And just like electricity cables you get dBmv loss per X metre length of cable.

I know, I used to install it for Fujitsu.
Yeah but surely FTTC is better than simply copper all the way to the exchange? I'd rather put up with 100m of copper and 4km of fibre than 4.1km of copper

...mainly as these days pikey b'stards would dig it all up and rob it lol

anyways, someone go and put fibre into the almondsbury exchange, I want faster internets lol

swedge

14-05-12, 07:00 PM

DAFTJOHN

14-05-12, 07:01 PM

There are a few niche companies doing fibre to the door but not sure on cost, they trailed it in Dundee. Yeah for sure FTTC is better than Copper PSTN.

There's EFM too which is symmetric and delivered over copper, some suppliers offering 18mb

Edd

14-05-12, 07:05 PM

For a simple person like me how do I find out if there is fibre/highspeed broadband in my area?

I thinking that it's no as bridgwater is still in the '70's

DAFTJOHN

14-05-12, 07:06 PM

For a simple person like me how do I find out if there is fibre/highspeed broadband in my area?

I thinking that it's no as bridgwater is still in the '70's

Try Sam knows, that'll tell you who supplies the exchange and the best speed on offer

Mike

14-05-12, 07:12 PM

Yeah but surely FTTC is better than simply copper all the way to the exchange? I'd rather put up with 100m of copper and 4km of fibre than 4.1km of copper

...mainly as these days pikey b'stards would dig it all up and rob it lol

anyways, someone go and put fibre into the almondsbury exchange, I want faster internets lol

Not necessarily, as it can only run the max speed for copper regardless of part fibre/part copper or all copper connection. IE, It can only run as fast as its slowest component. All copper connections just have loads of inline attenuators & amps in the cabs to up the signal power, where as all fibre doesnt necessarily need these.

Jack

14-05-12, 07:16 PM

Oh aye yeah, but my point was if you only had 100m of copper you'd be far more likely to get a better quality connection that someone who had 4000m of copper to contend with.

Mike

14-05-12, 07:23 PM

Oh aye yeah, but my point was if you only had 100m of copper you'd be far more likely to get a better quality connection that someone who had 4000m of copper to contend with.

This is where in line attentaution and/or amplification (sp?) is needed to raise or lower dBmv power over XYZ distance.

Also in the green cabs on the RHS theres loads of "tap ports" with varying power out puts. The top ports (IIRC, or could be the bottom ones?) are stupidly high power, waaaaaaaaay outta spec like +35dBmv, conections furthest away from the cab connect to these & by the time it hits your house/office/shop etc its "normally" in spec (-3dBmv to +2dBmv IIRC? Although I know for a fact this is BS specs as Ive got connections to work at +10 and more lol)

So with the above in mind you can kinda give almost all customers on say a 10mb setup, the sameish kinda speed regardless of wether next door to a cab or two miles away etc (which would never happen anyway as you tend to get a cab per street & a node to service a couple of streets).

EDIT: For anyone thats sad enough to care lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x

Although Virgin already have in place equipment for 500mb connections. Due to legal reason they have to wait for other providers to catch up before they can roll it out nationwide though :(

swedge

14-05-12, 07:57 PM

Same with the fibre we are trialling that is hung from the posts and not buried

It also has to have a copper cable installed in it just incase they can't actually receive the fibre signal for some reason

They are made at 500m lengths maximum, we can make 8000m drums of fibre cable inside a tube alone with some copper cable and some steel cable for strength

The drum would be waaaay to large for by to use though lol

TeddyThom

14-05-12, 09:29 PM

Has anyone got the infinty 2 that BT are now advertising??

Mazz

15-05-12, 11:30 AM

Virgin, simple :)

Their BB rocks imo, i'm only on 10mb buts its a full 10mb, plenty quick enough for gaming

turbojolt

15-05-12, 11:41 AM

Virgin, simple :)

Their BB rocks imo, i'm only on 10mb buts its a full 10mb, plenty quick enough for gaming

that's the kinda post I was looking for lol cheers mate

turbojolt

15-05-12, 11:41 AM

Virgin, simple :)

Their BB rocks imo, i'm only on 10mb buts its a full 10mb, plenty quick enough for gaming

that's the kinda post I was looking for lol cheers mate

Mazz

15-05-12, 12:10 PM

I really can't fault any of their service's, we have TiVo, phone and BB for £39 pm

TiVo is absolutle brilliant tbh

To UK gaming server i get about 25-35ping, euro ones are 40-50ping

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1951962334.png

turbojolt

15-05-12, 12:37 PM

What's so good about tivo?

Jon_nova1

15-05-12, 01:32 PM

Don't get Sky, when playing online you will get constant dropouts.

I'm with O2 upto 16MB, if you have something else O2 you get a discount and get 20MB and phone line for £20 and 12 months half price broadband

http://www.o2.co.uk/broadband

I've can get upto 16MB on my connection and about 30MS ping, although i must say Mazz's specs look promising, decent ping rate and upload means he'd be host quite often with online gaming

Mazz

16-05-12, 11:40 AM

What's so good about tivo?

Where do i start..

500g/1TB HDD
Its has its own internet connection so you can watch ITV player, BBC i player etc on the tele
free SkyGO
thumbs up/down rating system (it learns what you like and records similar)
3 TV tuners

Basically everything Sky+ has got and more..

turbojolt

16-05-12, 12:29 PM

I'm going to have a look at virgin and see what kind of deal they can do for me I like my birds parents virgin tv set up being able to record pause and rewind and not having to pay thru the nose for it is appealing

Tony M

16-05-12, 10:44 PM

Virgin media 30mb for £30 P/M soon to be doubled to 60mb. no lag, no buffering and not a big influtuation in peak times. It usually runs at 29mb on peak and 31mb off peak. My friends pay a little cheaper for sky 20mb but at best they get 6mb.

brownbear

16-05-12, 10:55 PM

Sky TV vs Virgin Media

I'd go with sky personally, Tivo box is overrated and all that virgin have in their ammunition
(even though sky had tivo boxes 10 years ago and fcuked them off due to how quickly they fail after 12 months+)

Other thing is why pay more to virgin to get channels they get from sky anyway, Third party fail?
And sky anytime+ is awesome!!

Also Hd with Sky, You get a sky+ HD box with the HD subscriptions for 10.25p/m.

Multiroom is £10.25 and mirrors your existing subscription including HD.

HD with Virgin £7p/m per box, then an additional £5p/m per box to have the recording feature activated on the box. £1.75 saving per box if you go with Sky for the same features.

Virgin Multiroom, £11.50 a month per box, £49.95 one-off fee then the £5 per tivo and £7 per HD subscription. So for a multi room with Virgin it's £23.50 to have a second box running HD with recording. £13.25 saving PER BOX if you go with sky.

Also Virgin's current 6 month's 1/2 price offer does not include sports and movies, with virgin your in a 18 month contract whereas sky is only a 12, when you change your subscription with virgin you are re contracted whereas with sky you are not.

Sky BB vs Virgin Media BB

Worst thing about virgin is being constantly traffic managed...

Here is the info from their website, Traffic Management operates from 4pm to 9pm and 10am to 3pm to ensure a consistent user experience.
They reduce your speed by up to 75%!!!

So when do you hactually get the speed you are paying for???? 9pm till 10am

Sky unlimited bb £7.50pm, Line Rental £12.25, Unlimited Call Package £5 pm. All inclusive of vat. With a properly good Wireless N router
(Big update to the G router that had loads of issues, I advise anybody with a G router to call sky and get a N router sent out ASAP)

Also at the moment you only pay your line rental for the first 6 months! What are you waiting for?!
£12.25 for 6 months of bb phone and line rental!

Not even bt can do line rental at £12.25!!

brownbear

16-05-12, 10:58 PM

This is my speediest, Non fibre and through sky with their £7.50 Unlimited Broadband.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1955181112.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

burgo

16-05-12, 10:58 PM

im with virgin for broadband and sky for errr sky lol. was with sky for broadband but was only getting 3 meg, so i rang them and they said hold on we'll turn it up!!!!! hold the **** on! if im paying up to 20 meg why am i not already on as fast as it can be? ****s so i left them as the internet is crap and that pissed me off

*edit. just done a speed test and this is for a 10 meg connection

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1955187115.png

Novasport

16-05-12, 11:01 PM

Another recommendation for Virgin, I am on 30Mb and get a very reliable connection. Getting what I pay for aswell :)....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/NovaSport/speed.png

Novasport

16-05-12, 11:08 PM

Another thing with Sky, not sure if it has been mentioned but do you not have have a BT phone line aswell? I dont want a land line as I never use it due to having free calls on my moblie so I am reluctant to pay line rental for something I would never make use of. Virgin does not need a land line :)

turbojolt

16-05-12, 11:13 PM

So I font have to pay line rental if I'm with virgin?? I have no need for a landline I have two mobiles and my bird has hers

Novasport

16-05-12, 11:15 PM

No landline or line rental required ;). Virgin install there own cable.

brownbear

16-05-12, 11:24 PM

You only don't pay line rental if you have a massively expensive standalone bb service, If you want the virgin fibre you have to be in a fibre area. (50% of the uk Isn't)......

Still works out cheaper with Sky either with or without the line rental...

brownbear

16-05-12, 11:25 PM

Another recommendation for Virgin, I am on 30Mb and get a very reliable connection. Getting what I pay for aswell :)....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/NovaSport/speed.png

You'll be getting you speed now as it's not during the hours of "traffic management"

Nova_Tek

16-05-12, 11:28 PM

I use BT Infinity via Plus Net. I got all of the 40Mb speed all is good. Go fibre optic. The same line from the same exchange before Imoved to fibre was only 1Mb!

brownbear

16-05-12, 11:31 PM

So I font have to pay line rental if I'm with virgin?? I have no need for a landline I have two mobiles and my bird has hers

For example, Virgin's 30Mb broadband package costs £18.50 when you take a landline, plus £13.90 for line rental - giving you a total of £32.40.
The same broadband package costs £28.50 a month on its own - a saving of just £3.90 a month.

OR You can have a landline and broadband bundle with sky and pay £24.75 (saving you £3.75 a month over the broadband standalone with virgin, and for the first 6 month's you'll be saving £16.25 over the virgin standalone!)

Novasport

16-05-12, 11:40 PM

You'll be getting you speed now as it's not during the hours of "traffic management"

Well I always have the speed when I need it so I am happy. Sky and other BB suppliers will have the same 'traffic management' as you say so it makes no odds.

brownbear

16-05-12, 11:41 PM

Well I always have the speed when I need it so I am happy. Sky and other BB suppliers will have the same 'traffic management' as you say so it makes no odds.

Hactually sky are one of the only broadband providers in the uk that don't traffic manage on all package tiers..... ;)
Unless your connect, Which means they provide your broadband through BT whom traffic manage for them... and it's £17 p/m as they don't really want to supply it....

Don't believe me? Check here :) http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/network-management-policy

Tony M

16-05-12, 11:58 PM

Ive been with Virgjn internet for 5yrs and not once experienced 'traffic management'. I play cod quite alot with friends on sky and every night there internet drops out.

brownbear

16-05-12, 11:59 PM

Ive been with Virgjn internet for 5yrs and not once experienced 'traffic management'. I play cod quite alot with friends on sky and every night there internet drops out.

What bb pack are you on?

Novasport

17-05-12, 12:00 AM

If there is management I have not experienced it, I always have a good connection and upload speeds.

Tony M

17-05-12, 12:03 AM

What bb pack are you on?

30MB - Current internet speed.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/Daywalker84/BB.png

brownbear

17-05-12, 12:22 AM

Very cool. :)

turbojolt

17-05-12, 11:39 AM

Got virgin coming round next Saturday to install it got the bundle deal 30meg bb, tivo box and homeline

£26.40 a month for 6 months the £38.90 when that kicks in I will be calling for a discount lol

Mazz

17-05-12, 11:51 AM

Good call :)

I've never once been throttled by VM, and i download quite a lot!

turbojolt

17-05-12, 11:58 AM

I'm looking forward to it lol

I'm going to get a computer tower pluged into the tv with a wireless mouse and keyboard so I can use the tv as a monitor lol

Mazz

17-05-12, 12:10 PM

shweet, you'll love TiVo, MUCH better than crappy Sky with its 2 tuners.. :p

'hey Sky user, wanna record 2 shows while watching another?' TOUGH!

but tbh, the TiVo box is quite big!

turbojolt

17-05-12, 12:12 PM

How many hd channels do you get mate? I'm on the basic one

Mazz

17-05-12, 12:15 PM

I'm on the same, and not many tbh: BBC, ITV, Film4, Ch4, E4 + few more iirc - but i very rarely watch them...

turbojolt

17-05-12, 12:25 PM

When I think about it its not a lot of money to pay out as now I won't be putting money on the internet stick and I can get a cheaper mobile contract

As for the whole tivo being better then sky I wouldn't have a clue to the difference as I've only had free veiw for 3 nearly 4 years lol

Tanya.

17-05-12, 12:40 PM

shweet, you'll love TiVo, MUCH better than crappy Sky with its 2 tuners.. :p

'hey Sky user, wanna record 2 shows while watching another?' TOUGH!

That bugs me about sky. Mine and Lukes shows we want to watch are always on around the same time so it's annoying having to miss out on something.

I do like Virgin Media though. I had them when I lived in Coventry and they were always quite good. The only problem I ever had with them was my internet would randomly go off once a month for a day.

richz_nova

17-05-12, 12:53 PM

vm was the first to get band from the pirate bay im with o2 and think they have done the same :mad:
tj you cant go wrong with vm i no a few people with them :thumb:

ps anyone having trouble getting on tpb pm me :thumb:

Jack

17-05-12, 05:55 PM

You mean VM were the first to implement the ban lol

Adam

17-05-12, 06:43 PM

Im on Sky TV and Virgin phone/net (due to tied into contract)

Had vm net and tv at my old house and it was spot on (apart from the buttons are all backwards for a former sky user... lol)
Was on 30meg bb and never saw less than 31meg speed, so no complaints.

Mike

17-05-12, 06:45 PM

Ive been on Virgin since the days of Telewest lol never ever had any issues with to much usage etc etc.

novalew

17-05-12, 08:11 PM

i'm lost with all the tech talk but i have 30mb fibre with Virgin and i get 25 - 29 mb download speed and 10 - 25 ping

i have xbox live, sky player and 2 androids and i have no issues

turbojolt

17-05-12, 08:19 PM

Just realised I have the connection point behind my sofa for virgin lol the guy said on the phone that they quote 30 but to expect between 28 and 29 as that's the average in my area I'm happy with that lol

novalew

17-05-12, 08:22 PM

turbojolt

17-05-12, 08:24 PM

Would you not need to pay more for that?

Adam

17-05-12, 08:32 PM

Nope they are doubling it for no extra cost.

turbojolt

17-05-12, 08:35 PM

Sounds good to me lol

There is a limit to just how fast you need porn if they keep upping the speed every bloke in England will be lob sided

Novasport

17-05-12, 08:53 PM

also TJ they will be doubling up soon so 60 mb heading soon

They are doubling the speed in July for Derby iirc

richz_nova

17-05-12, 08:55 PM

You mean VM were the first to implement the ban lol

yeah thats the one lol :thumb: lol

turbojolt

26-05-12, 05:31 PM

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr119/turbojolt/IMAG0401.jpg

Was installed today by the guy across the road lol

Tivo is flapping amazing I can watch stuff that I never had the chance to before like all the idiot abroad episodes or anything else that takes my fancy, thanks to everyone that recommend it I'm really really cuffed with it and I will be recommending it to everyone I know lol

Mazz

29-05-12, 11:39 AM

Happy days, told you TiVo rocked :P

swedge

29-05-12, 12:00 PM

turbojolt

29-05-12, 12:11 PM

Nope just coke

swedge

29-05-12, 12:14 PM

Nope just coke

i was taking the michael, looks like you have loads of cups of tea beside your tv lol

turbojolt

29-05-12, 12:28 PM

I gave up with her buys random tat to put everywhere ages ago lol there candle holders but she refuses to ever light them??

Iain

29-05-12, 12:47 PM

Light them for her.

turbojolt

29-05-12, 12:51 PM

I'm not allowed I need a adult to help me use matches

Jack

29-05-12, 02:09 PM

I want TiVo but can't get it here :(

turbojolt

29-05-12, 02:28 PM

I want TiVo but can't get it here :(

How come?

Southie

29-05-12, 02:44 PM

TJ which package did you end up going with then?

turbojolt

29-05-12, 02:56 PM

The essential collection. Package

30meg bb 75 channels and tivo

Southie

29-05-12, 03:13 PM

That's the one I was looking at, £12.50 for 6 months then £25 from then on + £13.90 on top for the phone line. It works out dearer than my current Sky package though :( by £3 lol

turbojolt

29-05-12, 03:48 PM

You got sky plus?

Southie

29-05-12, 03:54 PM

You got sky plus?
Yes, I don't own a decent telly though... still a CRT one lol so no HD needed just yet lol

turbojolt

29-05-12, 04:06 PM

Them tvs will be sold on eBay as retro soon for a billionmillion pounds. Keep hold of it

Southie

29-05-12, 05:19 PM

Tbh the picture quality is still good enough for me but the weight of the damn thing must be the weight of a Nova lol

Edit: here's my 36" beautie lol

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/158eccf3.jpg

Jack

29-05-12, 09:00 PM

That cat looks photoshopped lol

How come?
Because I live in a broadband black hole :( everywhere round me is served by the filton exchange which has fibre connections and all sorts of wizardry, but I'm stuck on the almondsbury exchange which has nothing better than plastic cups and string. Looking at info from BT and Virgin etc, there's no plans in the next 1-2 years to upgrade it either :(

Hurrah for 1mbps broadband. LOL

Benn

29-05-12, 09:23 PM

We've just upgraded to 20gig... Knew we wouldnt get close too that.. Till today, getting 11gig thru my phone over the wifi... Main comps getting 25gig which is nice...

Jeff16v

29-05-12, 09:34 PM

Good old cheap talktalk free broadband here. Why pay for it.
10.mb down 0.8 up

I only browse web and view 6 minute video clips, lol

Tiger13

29-05-12, 09:35 PM

That cat looks photoshopped lol

Because I live in a broadband black hole :( everywhere round me is served by the filton exchange which has fibre connections and all sorts of wizardry, but I'm stuck on the almondsbury exchange which has nothing better than plastic cups and string. Looking at info from BT and Virgin etc, there's no plans in the next 1-2 years to upgrade it either :(

Hurrah for 1mbps broadband. LOL

Thats gutting! Im from Stoke Gifford orignally (Born and raised) and we got 50mg virgn before we left, Im suprised they arent up in almondsbury yet though, I think you can 'express interest' on their site but I would have thought unless a few thousand do the same your just gonna have to wait :-(