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mikeoxford
25-07-03, 01:26 AM
well i did another post about whats gonna go wrong. people might not read it so i posted another one with diff heading.
my baby is SO MINT! the only thing you can hear is the carbs, exhaust and alternaotr whirring silently(ish)
the engine is DEAD QUIET like an ecotec vaux or something!!! NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im well chuffed
read all about it here
http://www.novaload.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=77675
woooooooooooooooo
might hit the track at trax :twisted:
superb Mike - had every faith in your engine building abilities!
:D
Just take it easy for a few weeks - give it time to bed in - keep checkling torques to make sure everything's nice and tight etc etc...
Hope it gives the performance youre looking for! Cant wait to see it!
Ade
:wink:
wisewood
25-07-03, 10:12 AM
Congratulations Mike.
can almost see the smile on your face from way up here in Sheffield. :D
C**T :twisted:
:lol: :wink:
Just kidding Mike. Glad to hear everythings going well.
I'm sure you'd give me a good match when you get it run in. Unfortunatley Dan's car has something in it to give it that extra kick :? Still, you might do better if you were to lose some weight...hmmm, now what weight do you have in your car that is of no use and is purely cosmetic? Hmmmm...;)
Jim
P.S. Glad to hear you've lost the plank of wood that you used as a spoiler ;) :lol:
wisewood
25-07-03, 10:25 AM
Jim dont forget that when dan did that really quick run not only is he a big lad anyway - he probably had a belly full of pies at the time lol.
ROFLMAO!
:lol:
So whats Dan's secret weapon? Nos? or Methane?
Rick Draper
25-07-03, 11:54 AM
Mike its very satisfying when you fire up your engine for the first time that you rebuilt yourself aint it! :lol: Just getting round to rebuilding mine again when i am feeling well enough. Rick
Dan's secret weapon is a number of things. Different Cam, 15's, larger chokes, Engine Management system. Other bits as well, just produces that little bit extra BHP than mine which in turn gave him a quicker time. Fair play to him. CP and MC set good times last year with their engines, I set a half decent time this year and now Dan's managed to get under 15 secs with a 1.6 8v on carbs, the gaunlet has been laid down as they say. It's now down to me, Mike and anyone else to try and beat that time (if their willing to put the time and effort into creating an car capable of it). Only rule is, the 1/4mile time must be run as the car is driven on a daily basis, i.e If you drive with a full interior then you must do the 1/4mile with a full interior, etc.
Jim
dan hansnt got an engine management unit lol
a 1.4 dizzy and coil.
bin the ice mike!!
Slatter
25-07-03, 06:59 PM
well ive been thinking aswell
once ive got my valver in and running i need another project
so .........................
im in need of a shell to strip
And i might challenge ya and build one aswell
But
With less weight than you all :lol: just a track day and quarter mile car :twisted:
as for me having little extra bits lol not really. No management just 1.4sr setup. With some engines u just find a package that suits your particular engine to the ground where as the same mods in another engine will give less. I have just tailored my engine to power the way i like it and it suits my driving style ( hence 3 cams and 2 yrs playing later lmfao), i do have some small tricks and gadgets left if i ever feel the urge to have another crack at the qtr mile which i didnt bother using before, but my job is done and have revived this little battle again.
Agree with the car should be driven as on road lol. no point running a car that wouldnt be that fast in true life, bit like reducing the drag on a r/r so u can have a higher figure, then leaving with a car that cant live up to its claims. Mine is stripped out but with cage and cavvy alloys etc it is actually about standard weight anyways.
krobinson
25-07-03, 09:15 PM
we want pics!!!
;), nice one mike, hopefully i'll have as much luck with my engine rebuild!
Keith
Dan's managed to get under 15 secs with a 1.6 8v on carbs, the gaunlet has been laid down as they say. Jim
Techie squares up for a run. Watch out next year boys.
Ben (lurk75)
26-07-03, 10:24 AM
watch your backs, im coming :!:
hmm I like this :)
THE BIG NOVA COMPETITION
watch your backs, im coming :!:
I didn't know you were that way inclined :D
lol @ ben, just one prob, we dont have to watch our backs cos we run the original 8v's, the 16v times you are chasing are gonna take some beating lmfao :wink:
Sorry Ben, remove 8 of your valves and we might let you into our club :P
Ross...We'll see you at the finish line ;)
Jim
can i compete with a 2.2 8v?
can i compete with a 2.2 8v?
Is it a 1.6 8v? Erm, no it's not, so surprisingly NO you can't compete :roll:
Jim
oh sorry, is it a 1.6 8v comp, didnt read it, sorry.
Chris_W
27-07-03, 04:56 PM
Yeah and it has to be N/A not turbo, because the fastest 1.6 8V is turbo'd :P
Chris
Snowface
27-07-03, 04:59 PM
what about a 1.4 or 1.38v? can they join in?
Would a Sport beat a GSI/GTE in a 1/4 mile?
Yeah and it has to be N/A not turbo, because the fastest 1.6 8V is turbo'd :P
Chris
Is It? Where and when was this?
Snowface
27-07-03, 05:14 PM
think he's reffering to his car slim he has for sale in sig.
Chris_W
27-07-03, 05:27 PM
Yeah and it has to be N/A not turbo, because the fastest 1.6 8V is turbo'd :P
Chris
Is It? Where and when was this?
PV2003 - The yellow nova with the pearl paint over the top, ran a mid 14 from memory.
Chris
Chris_W
27-07-03, 05:30 PM
This one:
http://www.novaload.net/features/viewfeature.php?ref=874
Chris
Ross...We'll see you at the finish line ;)
OK mate i'll wait for you there. :wink:
PV2003 - The yellow nova with the pearl paint over the top, ran a mid 14 from memory.
Chris
Hmmmm, Intresting.
OK mate i'll wait for you there. :wink:
Thats fightin' talk where I come from ;)
Jim
lol.
Starts to think of an excuse now.........oh bother.
Can a 1.2 8v come and play with you "big 1.6 men" if it promises to be good? :wink: :lol:
Can a 1.2 8v come and play with you "big 1.6 men" if it promises to be good? :wink: :lol:
Definatley not! :P :lol: lol
Jim
Ben (lurk75)
29-07-03, 09:57 AM
Mines only a 1600 :o
Mines only a 1600 :o
yes, but with 16v. Dan, Mike and myself are all running 1.6 8v's.
Jim
Ben (lurk75)
29-07-03, 10:08 AM
Wimps, scared of a bit of competition :P
LMAO, just to let you know guys, it's not what is under your car, it's how you drive your car! 1.2 vs. 1.6 ok we all know who should win BUT 8v vs. 16v well ...
Ben should be in ;)
can i come play aswell plzzzzzzzzz :D
Ben (lurk75)
29-07-03, 10:19 AM
1.2 vs. 1.6 ok we all know who should win
Its no normal 1.2 that CP wants to race with :!:
Fenix_2k1
29-07-03, 10:31 AM
Whats CP done to this 1.2? haven't heard about this.
Hmmm, this could get intresting. 1.6 8v's v's the 1.6 16v's.
Jim
Ben (lurk75)
29-07-03, 10:41 AM
me and Dicko will win :lol:
Slatter
29-07-03, 07:03 PM
Right then ladies and gents........
Wot are the stipulations on the engines then
1.6 8v overbores ????????//
Im just designing a new car :roll: for serious playing with :lol:
will be road legal but wont be much of it there
can i join in with ya ???????//
Slatter: i think the rules are you have to start with a 1600 8v, after that it's up to you and how deep your pockets are, i cant see how you can build a competitive engine for less than ?1000, more than that if you start looking at things like a lsd
Cp: how's the 1200 coming on?
Slatter
29-07-03, 07:53 PM
nahh my snap on dealler who used to build engines full time and now still does a few wants a project
Im giving him engine next week hopefully :lol:
Fenix_2k1
29-07-03, 07:56 PM
Someone might wanna stipulate no nitrous or it might become a bit easy.
:lol: :lol: :lol: of course the modified 16v's would win as different engine with more tuning potential thats why they can be taken to 250 rather than the old skool 8v with its 180bhp :roll: . My veiw on this was starting with the engine the top nova was graced with during its production which just happened to be a 1.6 8v. If engine conversions were included then all and sundry could join in :P Why not get the 16v's chasing the times set before them in similar cars and actually have a target worth chasing :?:
just out of interest how much has everyone spent on building an engine to this spec
well to get mine how i liked it, including 3 cam kits and one old and one new set of forties etc etc etc etc my engine alone goes past the 3k mark and climbing. Although this has been spread over 6yrs with money becoming more available as i got older to do what i wanted. If i had to start all over again i would prob do the same as it has been far more fun building the engine bit by bit and seeing how different things behave rather than just slamming an engine in and drive away
Ben (lurk75)
29-07-03, 11:24 PM
Got to agree with Dan there, i know that if i stuck TB's straight on my car it would take it way over what i am doing, but whats left to do after you do that? Not a great deal, you have to have less to apreciate it when you have more.
Well regarding regular NL users, and as much as I hate to say this, Dan has the quickest 1.6 Nova to date. I know Dec Burke has done a quicker time and there was the 1.6 Turbo at PV03 this year, but regarding regular users to this site, hes the quickest - only cos someone had a pie at the end of the strip ;)
All the 1.6 owners who are intrested in a friendly competition know what time you have to beat - it's in Dan's footer.
Slatter, just before you go mental with the overbore...overboreing to anything over 1650cc will be classed as a 1.7, so no 1699cc :P
Jim
shame i cant get my car in for mapping this week cuz i wanted go pod on sunday :(
mikeoxford
30-07-03, 10:09 AM
only cos someone had a pie at the end of the strip ;) - Jim
mate you got it all wrong! it was at the start line!!!! and pulles down the strip using fishing line :D like coaxing an animal with a carrot or summat :twisted:
nova---chris
30-07-03, 11:55 AM
Hmm. Id like to go to pod this sunday. but to busy.
Plus no point just yet anyhow . Giving it a week or 2. then ill be up for it.
Once a few bits have been added :twisted:
same here chris
isnt there a meet at the end of august?
mind u i might be on holiday then :s
Slatter
30-07-03, 07:10 PM
hmmm
so 1650 = +1mm pistopns ???
ollster
30-07-03, 11:42 PM
cant i play in this game with my ickle 1400 next year :twisted:
I can see where you guys are coming from with the 8v etc,but surely equal power 8v vs 16v would be very intersting.
I'm going 16v power soon hopefully. To keep the handling tidy. BTW I run mine stripped too. Those who say they couldn't deal with it everyday are lightweights. Not a prob at all-easier to keep clean-ice is cheap(ain't walkmans great!) and its soo much better handling/braking and performing.
I rest my case your honur(tis getting a bit heavy see..............)
Pete
cant i play in this game with my ickle 1400 next year :twisted:
You mean in your 1.4 with throttle bodies :roll:
Sure you can, we'll just go to the strip on a weekend when it looks like it might rain in on the way home so that you don't bring your car out of the garage :P
Jim
ollster
31-07-03, 10:36 PM
lol, youve foiled my plan. Ill be down to the strip in the rover if it rains, and you do want to worry when i put that beast on the strip :lol:.
how would a group A based engine compare to these times
not sticking to the reg's e.g. big valve head, over bore. But using xe injectors instead of twin 40's
the 'group a' build should make a quoted 140-150bhp with the 11.4 CR
i would say 150-170 would not be out of the question with a cost no object build, but uless you have to for competition regs etc it gets too costly for the results gained IMO
i was just wondering about sticking with injection rather than carbs/throttle bodies. from what i have seen the only price difference between this and the carbs route is the price of engine management, everything else is the same.
what sort of money would i be looking at for this sort of engine, is there any websites that sell used rally engines?
the 'group a' build includes the injection system with XE (2.0) injectors etc etc
Fenix_2k1
31-07-03, 11:54 PM
Or you could buy a ready built one.
VAUXHALL NOVA 1650 HILL CLIMBER,
T&T, road legal, far too much to list, 170bhp, ring for full spec, well maintained regardless of cost. ?3,500.
On autotrader
The fastest shud be a 1.6 plus over bore. Would be interested to see the difference between one with 40's, one with 45's and one on TB's.... anyone??
The reason a 1.6 will win is cos it has the torque. Torque gets you off the line plus you can carry some extra weight in the front to increase ground pressure and hence traction.
Horsepower is OK but doesnt get you off the line without torque cos it either falls away when load is applied or it breaks traction. Horsepower comes into play when you are up and running
As regds my 1.2 plans for those who asked it still part of the ongoing idea MC had. Hoping to pull it altogether this autumn so shud be up and running for next season.
Cambridge very kindly did some bench flow development work on the head for me which confirmed 1 or 2 things. Subsequently I've had the equivalent of a set of 1.6 valves installed. I have a Piper 290 cam ready and a set of T40's for it. The block is due to go to Velos this autumn principally to get it safe to rev its nuts off and also to increase the CR.
I dont expect I will get near the 1.6 times cos with a small bore, short stroke high revving engine torque isnt exactly gonna be its strong point but i will be interested to see what terminal speeds I can pull.
Ben (lurk75)
01-08-03, 11:23 AM
BTW I run mine stripped too. Those who say they couldn't deal with it everyday are lightweights.
When they mean as an every day car, they mean as a road legal car. Dan's car is stripped with a cage etc, but when he says h ran it as an everyday car, he meant he never took hi spare out, left the headlight and indicator in etc etc...
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