PDA

View Full Version : Rear arch Filler options?


Vinny-NOVA
08-03-12, 06:15 PM
Hey all, when I bought my car the prevoius owner had put new rear arches in, however the inside's were not finished. So there's a gap where the old arch has been cut away and the new one overlaps it (if that makes sense lol). Whats the best filler to use, flexy? :confused:
Your input is always appreciated.
mowen
08-03-12, 09:04 PM
Any pics mate?
Nova_Tek
08-03-12, 09:09 PM
Fiber glass filler normally has flexy properties.
Benn
08-03-12, 09:46 PM
If you can get it, get black fiberglass. Normally used on boats and stuff, it's flexible.
Vinny-NOVA
09-03-12, 06:56 AM
Thanks for info guys, will try and upload some pics this weekend.
BRoadGhost
09-03-12, 10:45 PM
SMC is a carbon based filler which allows a bit of flex before cracking.
TonySR
10-03-12, 10:13 AM
Is it only me that thinks this is a bodge?

My understanding is that the inner arch has been cut away for repair, the new outer arch was welded on and the inner was never finished? Get it welded if so...
Vinny-NOVA
10-03-12, 12:29 PM
http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/innerarch.jpg

Hi TonySR, you well may be right as for it being a bodge, just how I received car. The black line is the depth that needs filling.....
pie
10-03-12, 12:31 PM
weld it buddy

itl be better in the long run tbh
Vinny-NOVA
10-03-12, 12:38 PM
ok thanks pie....
Nova_Tek
10-03-12, 10:53 PM
Weld it up and then some seam sealer for it to stop any water ingress then some underseal. Don't go nuts on the welding though as you don't wanna distort the metal
fastcar1cars
11-03-12, 02:29 PM
Weld that and the rear 1/4 will need painting again! Lol!
Benn
11-03-12, 08:11 PM
Is it only me that thinks this is a bodge?

My understanding is that the inner arch has been cut away for repair, the new outer arch was welded on and the inner was never finished? Get it welded if so...

Tbh most are done this way as you cant buy inner arches so most are glued on then fiber glassed.



SMC is the stuffi was on about, is very good.
Vinny-NOVA
11-03-12, 09:33 PM
Was gonna go down the route of SMC, then as suggested seam sealer. Thanks to all lads for comments....
GRUNT 16V
12-03-12, 10:37 AM
To be honest whoever fitted those needs a good funking slap to be honest !! theres still rust bubbles in there !!!!!!!!!
if it was me i would not weld it as it will distort all over the place ! then you have got a good afternoons work skimming them with filler then paint etc ! go get some sikaflex 221 seal it up let it go off job done !
TonySR
12-03-12, 01:48 PM
His rebuilding the car so I doubt a bit of filling will bother him. Worth doing properly whilst it being rebuilt imo...
16v Nova Kev
12-03-12, 01:55 PM
just my opinion but thats crap if its a keeper i would take it all off and start again.
Vinny-NOVA
17-04-12, 10:05 PM
Update lads, decided to cut rust away from inner arches ready for re welding. Just wanna make sure I've done right thing, here's some pics-

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpic1.jpg

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpic3.jpg

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpic2.jpg

so reckon plating over the inside will now be ok? Then filler outside....

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpic4.jpg

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpuc6.jpg
Vinny-NOVA
17-04-12, 10:11 PM
Here's what the otherside looks like -

http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/badpic5.jpg
burgo
17-04-12, 10:13 PM
Tbh most are done this way as you cant buy inner arches so most are glued on then fiber glassed.



readily available on ebay actually.

that repair is shocking, i would cut off the outer, fit new inners then new outer. total cost of panels is only £80 and will out live the rest of the car, if you bodge it you will be re-doing it next year anyway
Benn
17-04-12, 10:18 PM
Ah that's good. I've never seen it any where bar the place the bodyshop get it from... Well worth buying some.

On the inner you want all clean metal. Weld from that to the outer.

The drivers side looks warped to funk... Remember you don't have to constantly weld it too, sports are fine. And they make less heat and warp less.
burgo
17-04-12, 10:19 PM
Ah that's good. I've never seen it any where bar the place the bodyshop get it from... Well worth buying some.

i was on about the inner arches
Benn
17-04-12, 10:22 PM
Oh haha sorry. Don't think i've ever seen an inner any where...
Vinny-NOVA
17-04-12, 10:22 PM
All I have done is stripped filler and cut rot from inside, the rest was done by previous owner....
burgo
17-04-12, 10:24 PM
All I have done is stripped filler and cut rot from inside, the rest was done very badly by the previous owner....;)
Balley
17-04-12, 10:24 PM
use tiger seal
Vinny-NOVA
17-04-12, 10:25 PM
back to drawing board then, thanks info
burgo
17-04-12, 10:29 PM
back to drawing board then, thanks infoif you can weld then do as i suggested
Vinny-NOVA
17-04-12, 10:34 PM
Will do, am looking on ebay now, gonna buy inner arch kits and outer. My mate will have to weld though, I will prep. Appreciate your input.
Curtoise
21-04-12, 03:08 PM
One of the things i dont understand is if you spot weld it how do u fill in the gaps?
burgo
21-04-12, 03:42 PM
with errr filler?
Pistol Pete
21-04-12, 03:48 PM
One of the things i dont understand is if you spot weld it how do u fill in the gaps?

Spot sealer!
Curtoise
21-04-12, 05:16 PM
with errr filler?

i would have thought you would need to seal it first. with spot sealer i guess as pete said
Benn
21-04-12, 05:38 PM
Pete, spot seal =weld thru primer?
Lewis.
21-04-12, 07:14 PM
readily available on ebay actually.

that repair is shocking, i would cut off the outer, fit new inners then new outer. total cost of panels is only £80 and will out live the rest of the car, if you bodge it you will be re-doing it next year anyway


really!? I've never ever seen a set of inner arches. wasn't aware they were ever made?

got a link?
swedge
21-04-12, 07:15 PM
really!? I've never ever seen a set of inner arches. wasn't aware they were ever made?

got a link?

ive never seen a set either
Vinny-NOVA
21-04-12, 07:34 PM
Guy selling them on ebay swedge, I have ordered a set. Although I can't see anymore listings, heres his seller id

Member ID retro_power (http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/retro_power/&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2754)
Pistol Pete
21-04-12, 07:37 PM
Pete, spot seal =weld thru primer?

No. Spot sealer. It's like tiger seal. Bead of sealer, align panels then spot weld. Joint sealed correctly.
Vinny-NOVA
23-04-12, 06:19 PM
errrrr ment to update this thread not projects, blonde moment.....

Hey guys, just a quick update, as I was told my rear arches were "shocking" and quite right they were, I have ordered a set of these bad boys -http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii501/vinny-jones/arches.jpg

Am also considering going the whole hog and getting sills replaced, but, struggling to find panel welders in my area, reason being the whole car is stripped in my garage unable to roll. offplot is kindly helping but just in case does anyone else know or could recommend someone in north wales? Also are the sills a big job?

Your input is also appreciated lads......
Benn
23-04-12, 07:59 PM
No. Spot sealer. It's like tiger seal. Bead of sealer, align panels then spot weld. Joint sealed correctly.

Ah, ok i haven't seen that.

Vin, very impressed you got the inner tbh.
Vinny-NOVA
23-04-12, 08:31 PM
Ah, ok i haven't seen that.

Vin, very impressed you got the inner tbh.

Cheers benn, am trying to see if supplier has more for anyone else who needs em!! Will keep you all posted :d
burgo
23-04-12, 10:33 PM
if you get a full sill and not a skin sill then it is a pretty easy job imo
Vinny-NOVA
24-04-12, 07:20 AM
Cheers burgo... gonna order two full sills this weekend aswell. Just need a panel welder now!!!