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mowgli
07-09-11, 12:28 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55193000/jpg/_55193708_nasa.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14813043

there are finally photos that prove they went to the moon..

i wonder what they'd all do in the evening now??? probably claim these photos are fake too......lol

Southie
07-09-11, 12:34 PM
It's just a close up of a crusty bap lol

http://www.applepiepatispate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sourdough-italian-french-bread-crust-crumb.jpg

Saloony
07-09-11, 12:44 PM
Photoshop lol

mowgli
07-09-11, 12:50 PM
no, that does appear to be a real bread based product...

Jack
07-09-11, 01:05 PM
Was the astronaut pissed? lol

wwmnw
07-09-11, 01:48 PM
Was the astronaut pissed? lol

Someone was on Columbia.

Jus sayin!

ben doodar
07-09-11, 04:51 PM
No offence mowgli. But who's saying that pictures not a fake?

I still don't believe it.

Balley
07-09-11, 04:53 PM
C'mon Mowgli its a fackin Photoshop, get real! Americans can't make machines that go into space!

TeddyThom
07-09-11, 04:55 PM
Photoshop lol
What he said...

wwmnw
07-09-11, 06:50 PM
C'mon Mowgli its a fackin Photoshop, get real! Americans can't make machines that go into space!

Course they can, its just the re-entry they struggle with.

MK999
07-09-11, 06:52 PM
Course they can, its just the re-entry they struggle with.

It's because up into space is a straight line and you have to go round a corner on the way down to avoid spearing straight into land. Americans could never do corners.

Spudly
07-09-11, 06:54 PM
Lol i doubt that it was true, i mean hell, we cant even make a convertible car that doesnt leak in the rain, and they want us to believe that they can make something to go into space lol

nova_saloon
07-09-11, 07:00 PM
the astronaut book track is a bit suspicious! was he dragging his feet? thought he jumped around then went towards the flag that was blowing in the wind lol

paul james
07-09-11, 07:09 PM
Isn't the whole conspiracy based on the fact the flag is waving about a bit, when there is no wind in space? When really its just the continued movement after it had been placed down by the astronaut, because theres little resistance to slow down its movement. Anyone with any sense could work that one out. Or shall we just ignore the mass of evidence of moon landings and the people who saw it happen as a massive conspiracy with millions of people involved who have never since broken their vow of silence lol

Mike
07-09-11, 07:18 PM
I dont see no cow so it must be fake :(

Andy
07-09-11, 07:21 PM
wheres the 9 iron?

Bubba
07-09-11, 11:10 PM
conspiracy theories make some good reading, some do raise some very good points...and some are utter crap lol.

John
07-09-11, 11:12 PM
Course they can, its just the re-entry they struggle with.

Flol

Jack
07-09-11, 11:25 PM
Wonder what happens if they land on one of those bits of moon that you used to be able to 'buy' lol

Stuart
07-09-11, 11:33 PM
Charge rent :)

I believe they did make it to the moon, but not when they claimed they did.

I mean the chinese have the kit to look at the moon to see all the toot and tracks left so if there was ever a hint that the USA had lied the chinks would have been all over it like a rash!

therealnovaboy
08-09-11, 10:54 AM
how come there are no tracks to where they parked the buggy?

seems like a fake to me.

Jeff16v
08-09-11, 11:13 AM
looks like a face shot of one of my old girlfriends :lol

wwmnw
08-09-11, 11:45 AM
looks like a face shot of one of my old girlfriends :lol
How many you got like?

TeddyThom
08-09-11, 12:20 PM
Wonder what happens if they land on one of those bits of moon that you used to be able to 'buy' lol

Get them done for trespassing?? lollol

Jack
08-09-11, 04:42 PM
how come there are no tracks to where they parked the buggy?
There's a set of tracks running straight out to it. Faint, but visible.

L14MNP
08-09-11, 10:56 PM
I believe they did make it to the moon, but not when they claimed they did.


This.

My thoughts exactly. I have been having a similar discussion on another forum about this, and 9/11. Apparently I am a tin hat wearing conspiracy nut, just cos I make my own mind up from information available in the public domain! lol

Hayley
08-09-11, 11:19 PM
Your not one of these people that has issues with 9/11 are you?

Stuart
08-09-11, 11:24 PM
Your not one of these people that has issues with 9/11 are you?


Some people think its 'cool' to try and work out if it was a conspiracy.... or all the tedious date/number crunchings to make patterns etc

Hayley
08-09-11, 11:26 PM
Yeah I watched the program recently with conspiracy ideas. I must admit, some things nearly had me suckered. Then I did a comedy shake of my head and my senses came back to me.

L14MNP
08-09-11, 11:34 PM
Your not one of these people that has issues with 9/11 are you?

Yeah. My personal take on it falls somewhere between the official explanation and the theories.

There is far far too many anomalies surrounding the events of that day that just do not tally with what we are told to believe.

On the subject, I want a magic fireproof passport or plastic ID card like a hijacker. It also seems they should be making the 'black boxes' from paper or plastic too seeing as the current materials cannot survive these incidents despite being engineered to endure much, much more...

No you're right. It all makes sense. :roll:

Bubba
08-09-11, 11:36 PM
^^ what he said.

bazil
09-09-11, 12:13 AM
Let's face it about 9/11, it's very suspect, plus why did the hijacker crash a plane into a outer ring of the pentagon when they could have easily hit further in ?

Even the designers of the twin towers said the planes impact would not have caused it to collapse,

As for the moon, I do believe the yanks did get there when they said they did, let's not forget it was actually Hitlers german scientists who developed the V rockets in WW2 who were taken by Americans to work at NASA and excused of any war crimes !!!

There are NO limits to what the American goverment will do/have done in order to get what they want.

mowgli
09-09-11, 04:29 AM
Yeah. My personal take on it falls somewhere between the official explanation and the theories.

There is far far too many anomalies surrounding the events of that day that just do not tally with what we are told to believe.

On the subject, I want a magic fireproof passport or plastic ID card like a hijacker. It also seems they should be making the 'black boxes' from paper or plastic too seeing as the current materials cannot survive these incidents despite being engineered to endure much, much more...

No you're right. It all makes sense. :roll:

think where the hijackers were in the planes.... yes, in the front. think where the fuel was.. in the belly & wings. then think what happens to lightweight stuff in a plane crash, it gets scattered all over the place...

just ask yourself this.. why would somebody go to the trouble of attempting to fake something this massive.. it would have taken months to rig the buildings & people would have noticed the structur being deliberately weakened. i visited the towers in the 90's they were truly massive....

bin laden's lot got really lucky, and it was the fires, not the impact that did all the damage.

mowgli
09-09-11, 04:43 AM
1.Let's face it about 9/11, it's very suspect, plus why did the hijacker crash a plane into a outer ring of the pentagon when they could have easily hit further in ?

2.Even the designers of the twin towers said the planes impact would not have caused it to collapse,

3.As for the moon, I do believe the yanks did get there when they said they did, let's not forget it was actually Hitlers german scientists who developed the V rockets in WW2 who were taken by Americans to work at NASA and excused of any war crimes !!!

4.There are NO limits to what the American goverment will do/have done in order to get what they want.

1. the hijackers used gps readers to get the co-ordinates to set the autopilots. and the public can only get to the outer areas of the pentagon without needing security clearance.. just imagine what would happen to an arab with a gps reader if found inside the pentagon.. the pentagon plane actually hit the ground just outside the outer ring, and bounced into the wall.

2. the designers of the towers were probably covering their ar$es by saying that, because they never had large planes full of fuel fly into test structures to see if they would withstand the impact...it was the fires weakening the steel that caused them to go. think if all the flammable stuff in an office, then add jet fuel, and put it 500 feet up so the wind gets it, and you have an inferno.

3. the germans working on the moon stuff, also invented the cruise missile... they called it the v1 & bombed london with it.. the science of getting to the moon was actually quite easy for them, they just needed to make a big enough rocket, which they did.
they didn't commit any war crimes.. they build the weapons, they didn't use them.

4. just look at a simple public construction project.. they never get done on time, within budget & without loads of people milling around sticking their oar in to mess things up.. before 911, only one person had been killed on the american mainland by an enemy weapon for about a century was a kid who found one of those japanese helium balloon bombs.. the yanks were complacent that they were the safest place on the planet.. they were sloppy with security, and these arabs managed to get really lucky. get used to it please.

bazil
09-09-11, 05:43 AM
No lol

Just one thing, you say they created the V1 and it was used to bomb London, so they created weapons of mass destruction? Which may not be a war crime but a good enough reason to go to war?

I take it you don't believe in conspiracy theories then, or that sometimes things are not what they seem?


Edit, the yanks do some crazy sh!t that we all see, imagine WTF goes on behind closed doors?

paul james
09-09-11, 07:35 AM
Of course the space programme was real, how else did JFK, Elvis, Diana, Marilyn Monroe, and Hitler manage to fake their deaths and go live on the moon? They certainly didn't get there by a giant invisible staircase, because the secret society that rules the earth only finished building that five years ago.

Jack
09-09-11, 08:17 AM
Just one thing, you say they created the V1 and it was used to bomb London, so they created weapons of mass destruction? Which may not be a war crime but a good enough reason to go to war?
England was already at war with Germany at the time, so not sure what you're getting at there lol As mowgli pointed out, the people who make the weapons aren't necessarily war criminals (otherwise Oppenheimer would be top of the list, as well as pretty much every big tech company in the world. Heck, even Domestos can be used to kill lots of people if you get enough of it lol)

Other things to remember as well are that the buildings were designed to withstand small aircraft hits or glances, not a direct head-on intentional attack with a jetliner filled with aviation fuel (they chose the best available flights - all leaving roughly the same time, and covering long distances, i.e. having as much fuel as possible, in the right direction whilst staying domestic).

As for the Pentangleon, yes they could have just nose dived the aircraft but its pretty tough to ensure they hit the target spot on. Any small deviation at even just 10,000 feet and you'll miss - and its pretty hard to make an adjustment when you're hurtling towards the ground at 500+mph. Much easier to go in as low as possible and aim for the side.

Plus, as Mowgli pointed out, the Americans were complacent - security authorities always expected an attack to come from external-US, so they weren't looking at domestic flights.


The moon; yeah I believe they went there and at the time they said so too. Americans had 20+ years of experience with pressurized airframes, plus with all the rocket tech from WW2 and rise in computer tech - so they had the ability to do it. They couldn't be seen to fall behind the Soviets, who had already pretty much beaten them into space to begin with, so threw all they had at getting on the moon.

wwmnw
09-09-11, 08:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk

Don't just click the link and turn it off because you don't believe it, watch it, I'm on the fence with this one as I'm no structural engineer or whatever.

Jack
09-09-11, 08:32 AM
I can't view youchoob vids at work. I demand a shot-by-shot transcription lol

wwmnw
09-09-11, 08:43 AM
I can't view youchoob vids at work. I demand a shot-by-shot transcription lol


Bombs going off before the collapse, fire brigade and police all agree it was an inside job but wont speak out as they're not allowed to/fear for their jobs. Its an old vid but you can clearly see "explosions" before the collapse, some people claim its the floors collapsing as the building comes down but some people that were there say the explosions happened before the collapse.

Good enough?

Stuart
09-09-11, 09:23 AM
The whole 'taking tech from the nazis that was acquired from war crimes' thing has meant that a large number of people didnt die for no reason at all.

Airline travel in pressurised atmospheres has come about from Nazi testing.
Most rocket tech has come from Nazi testing.
Lots of poison and 'cures' have some about from Nazi testing.

The scientists were simply doing what they were told to do, and probably had their families at risk of being killed if they didnt do the work.... While that dosent make it right, its not their fault explicitly.

Jack
09-09-11, 09:58 AM
Bombs going off before the collapse, fire brigade and police all agree it was an inside job but wont speak out as they're not allowed to/fear for their jobs. Its an old vid but you can clearly see "explosions" before the collapse, some people claim its the floors collapsing as the building comes down but some people that were there say the explosions happened before the collapse.

Good enough?
Arr. Thats been covered by air pressure as the floors above collapsed downwards. Video footage shows it happening as the floors fell, not before.

If it was explosions, where are the flashes? If a floor can survive a direct hit from a jetliner, it would need a fcuk load of explosives to bring it down surely - that would mean a large bunch of kablooies, not just a few small puffs of smoke/air?

The service personnel at the scene are normal people like you and me. There's bound to be a few who believe in the odd conspiracy theory; if they believe that to be true, they'd probably also believe Big Brother will make them 'disappear' if they spoke out about it.

I see they've already had a supposed terrorist threat about targetting the memorial services this weekend.

wwmnw
09-09-11, 10:07 AM
Very true Jack, I must admit I love a conspiracy theory and I do think there is more to the 9/11 incident than most will ever know.

Taking it away from 9/11 slightly there is/was a mental asylum local to me called Winterton, there is a 100 year ban on former employee's talking about what went on it there and when they were knocking it down the workmen found hidden tunnels and rooms with, apparently, some grizzly remains in jars.

Not sure on the last bit but the 100 year ban is true.

L14MNP
09-09-11, 10:34 AM
think where the hijackers were in the planes.... yes, in the front. think where the fuel was.. in the belly & wings. then think what happens to lightweight stuff in a plane crash, it gets scattered all over the place...

just ask yourself this.. why would somebody go to the trouble of attempting to fake something this massive.. it would have taken months to rig the buildings & people would have noticed the structur being deliberately weakened. i visited the towers in the 90's they were truly massive....

bin laden's lot got really lucky, and it was the fires, not the impact that did all the damage.

So the passport and some personal effects were blown out of the plane, yet no bodies? Passports tend to be on the person they belong to.

Steel framed buildings have never collapsed due to fire in history ever - until three happened to on one day.

No way was this orchestrated by an American allie from a cave in Afghanistan.

There's so much that doesn't add up. I know it and you know it. Admitting that things may not be what they seem is the hard part for the majority of people.

This was done for oil and to establish a new world order. Just look at America now. All the new laws that have been passed etc.

L14MNP
09-09-11, 10:41 AM
I'll read all of this later when I have time.

Every time I see the supposed hijacker pilot the supposed plane into the Pentagon - from the five frames of grainy footage they were kind enough to release - the more suspicious it appears. Then you see the CGI models. Amazing, awesome, brilliant piloting from a guy that couldn't even handle a Cessna to come in so low, not even scraping the belly of the plane until he reaches the White House lawn.

If it was a 757 that struck the Pentagon then why not release footage that actually shows this?

Flight 93 brought down in the field that 'atomized' the bodies of all on board is also very convenient.

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Regardless of who you think is responsible for this, you are a blinkered fool if you think all of what we have been told is possible. Don't let the fact they won't explain a lot of it get in the way of blindly following Uncle Sam's every word. Afterall, it's not like the USA would ever commit unspeakable acts and betray it's on people just to further itself now is it?

L14MNP
09-09-11, 11:30 AM
the designers of the towers were probably covering their ar$es by saying that, because they never had large planes full of fuel fly into test structures to see if they would withstand the impact...it was the fires weakening the steel that caused them to go. think if all the flammable stuff in an office, then add jet fuel, and put it 500 feet up so the wind gets it, and you have an inferno.



these arabs managed to get really lucky. get used to it please.

What about WTC 7 then? No jet fuel inside that steel framed building, yet it came down in exactly the same manner. Yes, I do know who occupied it. Say jet fuel could weaken the steel enough so it could not support the above floors and bring 1 and 2 crashing down, WTC 7 only had a hole inside of it. ZERO fuel inside. Heat is meant to have brought this one down too...

Don't tell me what to believe. There are questions that cannot be answered, and the people that made this happen do not appreciate the digging. Some of the general public believe what they are told, some don't give a **** and lucklily there is a handfull that want to see an actual official enquiry into the parts that do not add up.

I for one am thankful that there is still some good left in this oil gredy world. Just a shame it's not the people in charge.

joshy
09-09-11, 11:55 AM
So the passport and some personal effects were blown out of the plane, yet no bodies? Passports tend to be on the person they belong to.

[1] Steel framed buildings have never collapsed due to fire in history ever - until three happened to on one day.

[2] No way was this orchestrated by an American allie from a cave in Afghanistan.

There's so much that doesn't add up. I know it and you know it. Admitting that things may not be what they seem is the hard part for the majority of people.

[3] This was done for oil and to establish a new world order. Just look at America now. All the new laws that have been passed etc.

1. yes they have, stand by for examples

2. your right, it was orchestrated by a cell operating in the USA with the blessing of osama bin-laden.

3. the loss of the twin towers cost the US around 2 trillion dollers, why would they give themselves that level of deficit, all for going to war in the middle east?

joshy
09-09-11, 12:01 PM
[1] What about WTC 7 then? No jet fuel inside that steel framed building, yet it came down in exactly the same manner. Yes, I do know who occupied it. Say jet fuel could weaken the steel enough so it could not support the above floors and bring 1 and 2 crashing down, WTC 7 only had a hole inside of it. ZERO fuel inside. Heat is meant to have brought this one down too...

[2] Don't tell me what to believe. There are questions that cannot be answered, and the people that made this happen do not appreciate the digging. Some of the general public believe what they are told, some don't give a **** and lucklily there is a handfull that want to see an actual official enquiry into the parts that do not add up.

[3] I for one am thankful that there is still some good left in this oil gredy world. Just a shame it's not the people in charge.

1. if you actually did some "digging", you would know that WT7 was powered by 3 diesel generators, and that it held the fuel internally in 3 massive tanks. in total it held 91,000L of deisel fuel

2. im not telling you what to believe, you said there were questions not answered, so im telling you the proven facts, answering your quiestions

3. as above, if it was puerly about oil, for the money the war has cost, they could have started drilling in the north pacific and the artic circle for more oil than the middle east has and without the problems of mad dictators to worry about

joshy
09-09-11, 12:06 PM
Contrary to popular belief September 11, 2001 was not the first time a steel framed building collapsed due to fire. Though the examples below are not high rise buildings, they make the point that fire alone can collapse a steel structure.

The McCormick Center in Chicago and the Sight and Sound Theater in Pennsylvania are examples of steel structures collapsing. The theater was fire protected using drywall and spray on material. A high rise in Philly didn't collapse after a long fire but firefighters evacuated the building when a pancake structural collapse was considered likely. Other steel-framed buildings partially collapsed due fires one after only 20 minutes.

The steel framed McCormick Center was at the time the World's largest exhibition center. It like the WTC used long steel trusses to create a large open space without columns. Those trusses were unprotected but of course much of the WTC lost it's fire protection due to the impacts.

"As an example of the damaging effect of fire on steel, in 1967, the original heavy steel-constructed McCormick Place exhibition hall in Chicago collapsed only 30 minutes after the start of a small electrical fire."



examples of steel buildings being weakend by fire

Alex J
09-09-11, 12:14 PM
http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129171239266344050.jpg

mowgli
09-09-11, 01:08 PM
So the passport and some personal effects were blown out of the plane, yet no bodies? Passports tend to be on the person they belong to.

Steel framed buildings have never collapsed due to fire in history ever - until three happened to on one day.

No way was this orchestrated by an American allie from a cave in Afghanistan.

There's so much that doesn't add up. I know it and you know it. Admitting that things may not be what they seem is the hard part for the majority of people.

This was done for oil and to establish a new world order. Just look at America now. All the new laws that have been passed etc.

please join the real world.

every factory fire since the victorian age proves you wrong....the fire warms the steel. the steel gets hot, expands, bends & the rest falls down.
skyscrapers have concrete floors.. if one steel gives way, you will get a domino effect and it will build momentum at a huge rate...

the pentagon one is already proven...
the gps was taken at ground level in front of the building... the pilot went to a multi engine jet training centre for 6 months....

the 'war on terror' was hijacked by business interests..... but anyone who really believes that this was done by a conspiracy to make money etc... has been watching too much davinci code or similar movies......

wt7 fell down for a very obvious reason... the wtc complex of buildings had huge underground tunnels under the basement ares which went down maybe 100', when the structure of the others failed, the foundations of no. 7 gave way..

as for the 'vapourized' people on 93, the plane hit the field at maybe 700mph... i've seen test footage of a plane hitting a solid object at 500mph & there was nothing above a couple of mm left..... planes are not designed as a crash into something structure, or they wouldn't take off........

Hayley
09-09-11, 05:57 PM
^^ Agree!

I think also that all these conspiracy's are also belittling the thousands of people that died that day. It was just a horrid sad event that was planned and executed by people hell bent on causing as many deaths as possible. no secret plan by the Government

Calamity Josh
09-09-11, 06:11 PM
Help!!!! I got lost at the first post :)

wwmnw
09-09-11, 06:15 PM
Some bodies were thrown out of the plane, who watched that thing on channel 4 the other week? The fireman was saying bodies from a plane were scattered X amount of blocks away.

Edd
09-09-11, 06:38 PM
A big massive fcuking lol lol lol lol at the 'new world order' dribble

Seriously people make up these stories after every event

No goverment is going to do that

Your only going to do that if your a deluded turban wearing cavecluving terrorist...........oh wait lol

No oil in Afgan only smack

Time people stopped with the storries/lies imo

mowgli
09-09-11, 06:58 PM
WHAT ABOUT AREA 51?????
OR JFK???
OR THE MOON LANDINGS NOT REALLY HAPPENING...???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZRrzfMF3o&feature=related

Calamity Josh
09-09-11, 07:57 PM
How does the boat get in the bottle? lol

bazil
09-09-11, 09:11 PM
Area 51 is actually a USAF base north of Las Vegas, search google maps and you'll see it and by F**k it's got a big runway lol

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/random3/4e10899e.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/random3/3ea57057.jpg

Bubba
09-09-11, 09:33 PM
OR JFK???




Red Dwarf proved that it was himself from the future...on the grassy knoll lol

and how are conspiracy theories any different to religion? if people want to believe in it, thats their choice.

steviegsi
09-09-11, 09:52 PM
I'd say there is a million secrets the public will never know about the worlds shady governments, so all these opinions are pretty pointless, the U.S are hardly going to admit to these things being true because a lot of people on the interwebz "demand" "the truth".

Although I still find most of the conspiracies fascinating, I would not be surprised if none or all of them were true.

Judging by the books I've read about 'the troubles' here in the 70's 80's and 90's, the stuff the our government got up to then is unbelievable, so 30 years later the Americans must be up to some crazy shlt.

Mike
09-09-11, 10:11 PM
If youve got a spare hour or two, search YouTube for "Petro Dollar Documentary".

Theres a massive of a lot of things that point to a conspiracy theory. Mainly unexplanned explosion in the basements of both the TT's seconds before plane impact, and a series of small explosion within several floors about half a second pre impact, akin to demolition charges & the building insurance policy took out days before covering "impact by plane" of all things.

mowgli
09-09-11, 10:12 PM
bazil, i know where groom lake is.... its the alien spacecraft stuff that is cobblers

mowgli
09-09-11, 10:16 PM
If youve got a spare hour or two, search YouTube for "Petro Dollar Documentary".

Theres a massive of a lot of things that point to a conspiracy theory. Mainly unexplanned explosion in the basements of both the TT's seconds before plane impact, and a series of small explosion within several floors about half a second pre impact, akin to demolition charges & the building insurance policy took out days before covering "impact by plane" of all things.

what if al quaeda planted explosives too, as a belt & brace measure?? bin laden was a trained structural engineer & had tried once before to do it that way...

bazil
09-09-11, 10:19 PM
I must admit sometimes the alien thing can ruin things, like the last Indiana jones film lol

Mike
09-09-11, 10:22 PM
what if al quaeda planted explosives too, as a belt & brace measure?? bin laden was a trained structural engineer & had tried once before to do it that way...

But what if they didnt though. Why go to all the trouble of stealing planes etc when you could have just demolished the entire building using demolition charges killing more people in the process?? After all, they wanted to make a point, so what better way to do it?

But, that still leaves an insurance policy that would & did make the buildings owners multi billionaires within a few minutes though. And it just so happens the buildings owners are very close family friends to the Bush coperation who ALSO had his hands in Twin Towers assets..... AND was also related to several well off familys who deal in crude oil.....

Just food for though, but my opinion is entirely 110% it was a setup to gain public trust for use a leverage to get into Iraq & Afghanistan & surrounding areas to cleanse it of all its oil due to a failing American econmic climate in a vain hope to resell it as US Oil to up the price of the dollar, which in turns makes the US richer over night. Which, amazingly is exactly what the US did & it very nearly got them out the **** back then, but has now back fired like most things American.

I dont know if you were aware, but Saddam was marketing oil in the Euro, undercutting the dollar, making US stock markets crash. Obviously, the worlds biggest super power couldnt let that happen but needed enormous leverage as an excuse to get into the country & surrounding oil fields.

Theres a saying, "you cant blag a blagger" and to me, its ****ing obvious whats gone on. If I was put in a position where I stood to make millions, have the entire world adore me & become a famous for ever type person, this is a kinda blag I'd definetly pull.

mowgli
09-09-11, 10:32 PM
the problem with the explosive charge thing is that a 15 storey hotel in vegas that the mafia paid for is about the biggest thing to be explosively demolished. and they would have spent 8 weeks stripping the building supports out to weaken it..

now a reinforced concrete structure is one thing, but a gigantic steel tower is a totally different matter. if an aeroplane couldn't drop it until 20 mins of inferno had ripped the strength out of its centre core, just imagine how much explosive would have been needed to take down such a huge structure..

Mike
09-09-11, 10:36 PM
the problem with the explosive charge thing is that a 15 storey hotel in vegas that the mafia paid for is about the biggest thing to be explosively demolished. and they would have spent 8 weeks stripping the building supports out to weaken it..

now a reinforced concrete structure is one thing, but a gigantic steel tower is a totally different matter. if an aeroplane couldn't drop it until 20 mins of inferno had ripped the strength out of its centre core, just imagine how much explosive would have been needed to take down such a huge structure..

Pre 9/11 there is copias amounts of paper work detailing defects in the steel used in the TT structure however the planning was passed off. That is 110% FACTUAL proof. The twin towers were never as strong as they were originally designed to be, that is documented proof. Instead of the steels giving way a XYZ temperature, the reality is they were giving at more a long the lines of DEF temperature.

The IRA nearly bought one tower crashing to the floor in the 90's with nothing more then homemade explosives using potassium phospate (readily avaliable), an accerlerant (petrol) & a detonator.

Bubba
10-09-11, 12:16 AM
bazil, i know where groom lake is.... its the alien spacecraft stuff that is cobblers
its the classic, i want you to prove theres no spacecraft there, and you would want me to prove there was.

Jack
10-09-11, 12:48 AM
I dont know if you were aware, but Saddam was marketing oil in the Euro
He tried, but made very little inroads into the US market. It wasn't until the Iranian Oil Bourse came along that things started looking a bit more peaky for the Euro (although a lot is traded in the Rial) but that was years after he was ousted from power. And lets be honest it still hasn't made that much of an impact into things.


But what if they didnt though. Why go to all the trouble of stealing planes etc when you could have just demolished the entire building using demolition charges killing more people in the process?? After all, they wanted to make a point, so what better way to do it?
Because demo charges would be a damn sight harder to get into the building, since after the 1993 bombing they were hot on security. Domestic airport security was slack enough to make a hijacking work

mowgli
10-09-11, 07:52 AM
the saddam oil deal in euros was all about the official sanctions... they set a quota of x number of barrels, when the oil price went up, he actually made a great profit.....

why is everyone meant to be shocked that he was dealing in the euro... all the footage of saddam era iraq seemed to show a huge number of renault trucks, european cars etc.....

Alex J
10-09-11, 07:57 AM
your all wrong!!!! this is what happened.............................


planes going well fast flew into towers, they burned and fell down, the end!!!

mowgli
10-09-11, 08:03 AM
thankyou merris... you put it exactly right...

jfk... someone shot him.. does it matter who??? not really

aliens at roswell?? of course there weren't any, the sheer distances involved to get from another star system make it impossible that they would choose this ****hole of a planet......

the loch ness monster??? 1 single dinosaur survives from 65 million years back.....please

next, somebody will be trying to tell us that women all like having it up the gary glitter

Alex J
10-09-11, 08:05 AM
^^^the loch ness monster is not real, ah your joking!!!!!!

Edd
10-09-11, 08:08 AM
Well said mr merris :)

Mike, sorry but your seriously deluded if you think that is true!

Next your going to be telling us the story/bollox about Freemasons and how your one of them lol

Andy
10-09-11, 08:25 AM
I watched a conspiracy theory docu last night on bbc3 about 9/11 and they seem very very paranoid people,verging on schizo one of them was.They waste so much of their lives wondering "what if" etc.
Its absolutely ridiculous to think that the us committed such a barbaric act in order to make money.Wake up FFS

Alex J
10-09-11, 08:37 AM
I watched a conspiracy theory docu last night on bbc3 about 9/11 and they seem very very paranoid people,verging on schizo one of them was.They waste so much of their lives wondering "what if" etc.
Its absolutely ridiculous to think that the us committed such a barbaric act in order to make money.Wake up FFS
i watched it aswell, i wanted to punch that dumb **** bird in the face!

Andy
10-09-11, 08:41 AM
i watched it aswell, i wanted to punch that dumb **** bird in the face!

Her with the stupid sunglasses? God she needed her jaw snapping.
They just questioned absolutely EVERYTHING.
They looked like such dull people,that American woman summed it up perfectly with her comments about people from the internet (Mark Binghams mam-the "fake" voice recording) lol

Alex J
10-09-11, 08:55 AM
i wanted to rip the tv of the wall and smash itlol

mowgli
10-09-11, 09:38 AM
I saw that too.... What they seemed to be missing was the point that of course its possible to fake pretty much anything, but it just didn't actually happen.......

These conspiracy theorists also seem to have missed that the yanks really aren't the worlds greatest friends......there really are people who hate them for everything they have done in, for example israel....

I saw a documentary a few years back where they were talking to hollywood people to come up with possible ideas as to what the terrorists were up to next, because a movie had been made in 1998 ish about a plane being flown into a tower block....what an amazing profecy that was...... Would you believe it that the arabs went and did it, what are the chances of that etc....... Maybe bin laden watched the bloody film & said..'hold on lads, i've got a great idea'

John
10-09-11, 10:24 AM
Argh! i missed the bbc3 programme, i wanted to see it, i'm a sucker for a good 911 conspiracy! lol

mowgli
10-09-11, 10:48 AM
oh no... it wasn't worth the effort... they went to see a sound expert, who said, yes, you can manipulate a piece of someones recorded speech patterns, and then showed them it was possible... then said it took him ages to do & it simply wasn't possible to do it live... then they visited the mother of the bloke on flight 93 who's phone conversation with him from the plane was allegedly faked, and she was utterly believeable and convinced totally that it was him.... then on the bus, one of them said.... 'i still think it was faked'

Andy
10-09-11, 11:01 AM
Thats because they are stupid reprobates......

Alex J
10-09-11, 03:08 PM
they got a free hoilday to new york dont forgetlol