E16se ecu

[matt_vaughan]

I've read that if you have a Bosch Loom/AFM, you need a Siemens ECU?

Is this right or a wild goose chase?

Desparate to get mine on road now and I've lost the ECU.

[bazil]

Do you have an octane plug on your loom at the bulkhead?

[mowgli]

The ecu is actually on the afm, you are asking about the ign controller

mine is a bosch / siemens setup it was from a 1988 model. i think the bosch was fitted to the later ones.

[bazil]

Matt if you have an octane plug ( either A+B or 95+96 ) you'll need the siemans ecu if you don't have the octane plug you need the bosch ecu

Both use the Bosch AFM

[matt_vaughan]

The engine is GTE and I'm pretty sure its a 1988 engine. So Im after a Siemens ignition controller?

The stuff I know (im at work atm so not in garage to assess the situation, but need to order something today to get car on road in time)

- It has a flap type AFM
- 95% sure its an '88 E16SE

Think I'll just order a Siemens ignition controller and hope for the best.

[bazil]

Did you actully read my post?

You get a Bosch AFM with a BOSCH ignition controller
you also get a BOSCH AFM with a SIEMANS ignition controller

You need to know what loom you have, so read my previous post,

My E16SE 1989 GTE has a Bosch one
My E16SE 1991 GSI has a siemans one

BOTH HAVE A BOSCH AFM

[bazil]

I give up

[matt_vaughan]

Ah right Ok Bazil I understand now. I'll check for the octane plug when I get in tonight.

Just made an offer on a Sieman's one on eBay, its the only one on there. Hopefully it'll be right. If not, its not a massive outlay.

Thanks for the help mate.

[bazil]

Cool there are 2 units as I said,

The plug on your loom should be about the middle of the bulkhead for a Bosch unit and is smaller than the AFM plug

The plug for the siemans ecu is near the drivers side strutt and is about the same size as the AFM plug,

[bazil]

This is the siemans ecu on my 91 gsi

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/a21.jpg

[matt_vaughan]

The ignition controller is in the same position as yours on there (and physically looks identical), and I have the plug with the red wires near the middle of the bulkhead. Is that the octane plug?

( this is going from an old picture i have of the car the engine came out of)

[bazil]

The black box clipped onto the bulkhead is the fuel pump relay
If you see the blue plug next to it that's where the octane plug sits,

[matt_vaughan]

DEFINATELY got that blue plug.

[bazil]

This is a Bosch one

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/gsi/c76e9c0d.jpg

[matt_vaughan]

LEGEND. Its definately not that one! Looks exactly like the one in your car. Massive rep man. Thanks so much for the help. Its people like you that make this forum rise above the rest of the dross on the net. Cheers mate

[bazil]

Now I need to see why my 1989 gte has a Bosch one if folk say it shouldn't have lol

Out of interest what colour of dizzy cap does your engine have and what shape is the top of the cam cover ( round or square ) ?

[mowgli]

my siemens one. it has a huge connector.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/mowglinova/004.jpg

[bazil]

Does your have a octane plug mowgli?

And it seems to be sitting where the bosch one goes?

The thing I don't understand it why the siemans one would have an octane plug in 1988?
I remember using 4* in my GTE during the fuel protests lol

[mowgli]

i have an octane plug.

the siemens box actually has a mounting plate too. i think it was designed to fit over the factory soundproofing, as it is a bit odd for a plain bulkhead

there really isn't anywhere else to put it apart from just behind the inlet manifold & to the left a few inches.

ps. my loom has been in 4 else 5 cars, so i can't vouch for the position of a few bits.

[matt_vaughan]

Well Im starting to think that the engine isnt all completely original. It's from an '88 car, and being a Non cat and described as an E16SE i assumed it was correct. Judging by this, its probably been changed or had ignition changed or something in past.

[bazil]

In this pic the black mounting plate near the drivers side strutt is what mine clips into, the siemans box has a lug on each side for it to clip in, your right about the sound deadening but I don't think I have a picture of my gte bracket,

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/gsi/Picture008.jpg

[bazil]

Don't worry matt, just check the block for E16SE next to the engine number, it is a non cat engine and siemans, bosch and Lucas parts seamed to be uses at random on this engine lol

[matt_vaughan]

One thing i have noticed is there's a non original cam cover on (doesnt have the 1.6 injection stamped into it). But that could be just the fact someone wanted a non rotten one.

[bazil]

The later E16 didn't have the same cover as the earlier engine. Only the early E16 engines had the stamped covers, this is how my bay looked in 1999 totaly standard

Look at the picture on page 1, same cover just painted

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/me%20novas/Picture012.jpg

[matt_vaughan]

mine looks same, it must be a C16SE then. Ill have to check when I get in.

EDIT: the coil is the same as above, and also the distributor. Thinking it must be a C16SE engine then. One way to make sure I suppose. Silly billy.

[bazil]

Nope, C16 have no AFM or siemans box, also they have a cat and NO dizzy, that engine in my gsi is a E16
only the last gsi's had C16 engines

[bazil]

Here is stu's C16SE gsi, note the coilpack instead of dizzy, no coil, no EGR, no emission control valve and no Bosch AFM,

The actual engine looks the same but the stuff around it isn't

I beleive you have a late E16SE exactly the same as my gsi

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/random3/61e3f74c.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/Bazil_2468/random3/00831a9e.jpg

[wwmnw]

This Siemens controller thing, I have one, in my bedroom, waiting to be plugged into an engine...

Edit: If this is what you're on about, I didn't really read the thread all the way through

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/lostboy_014/SDC10653.jpg

[moffat]

now im confused, got an e16, i bought it as a bare engine, then bought a loom, dont have and ecu or afm, so how do i know which afm and ecu to get?

sorry for hijacking the thread matt.....

[bazil]

Post us up a picture of the loom mate,
The telltale is the siemans loom has an octane plug,

[pingu-turbo]

Not meaning to hi jack this post, but what are the two little bottles next to the washer bottle? Is that a gsi thing, cos Ive never seen them before? Are they something to do with the master cylinder (cylinders? looks like two), I cant quite see?

[MK999]

It's a pedal box setup.

[bazil]

It's a pedal box mate,

[MK999]

It's a pedal box mate,

That's what I said! :p

(Thought he meant pics on the previous page lol)