View Full Version : It was nice knowing F1, Thanks Bernie you money grabbing back stabber!
windfreek
29-07-11, 12:47 PM
for those who dont know, regardless the concord agreement states it must be free to air. F1 has been sold to SKY, so get your £50 a month out to continue watching it
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455
(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455)
What a joke! Lets hope bttc doesnt
autosport fail lol
F1 has to be on free tv, the FIA made this a rule
if you watch sky sports news it confirms that it will be on the BBC and Sky until 2016
windfreek
29-07-11, 01:01 PM
autosport fail lol
F1 has to be on free tv, the FIA made this a rule
if you watch sky sports news it confirms that it will be on the BBC and Sky until 2016
only half of the races will be on Freeview, and no doubt they will be the less than exciting ones, and you can guarantee that the end of season races will be a sky only deal... and how likely are we to find a pub that will show F1 on a saturday quail or a sunday over any football matches or finding a pub open at 5am to show it
Edit lol
Uh oh :mad:
It's been confirmed now on the F1 website
>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/7/12372.html<<<
That's pissed me right off tbh, but Sky with have paid alot for the rights and money talks
So your going to have to have the SkySports package to view £50 plus !!!
Wonder if viewing numbers will drop ???
windfreek
29-07-11, 02:24 PM
Wonder if viewing numbers will drop ???
according to the BBC, last weeks F1 on its own was watched by 9.6million
Compare that to...
The Champions League final between Barcelona and Manchester United - Sky got 1.5 million viewers, and that was a big match, or even the Super Sunday, Manchester United v Chelsea match which got 2.6 million on Sky
paul james
29-07-11, 02:48 PM
So I can watch half the races, oh great! You can bet which channel gets the last race of the season, Monaco etc. Since theres no way I'm paying for Sky TV, I guess I won't bother watching F1 any more. Hopefully they will have to do a u-turn on this due to mass complaints, but I suppose its unlikely if money has changed hands already. This won't do any favours to the popularity of the sport.
The first, British, Canadian, last and Monaco are on the BBC, plus others to make up half
Sky are fukking bastads.Id have it if i could just have the sports channels.
No way would i pay £42 a month for a load of repeats,fukkin garbage
Doesnt suprise me tbh, end of the day Sky are out there to make money like every other business. And you can guarantee a lot of new customers just to watch the F1 alone.....
Not that it causes me much grief, i hardly could be bothered watching f1 for "free" on bbc.
Never watch F1 so doesn't bother me.
Its so damn boring lol
Amen lol
Jason Plato having a moan about turbo's FTW lol
Sky are fukking bastads.Id have it if i could just have the sports channels.
No way would i pay £42 a month for a load of repeats,fukkin garbage
I just keep phoning up every year asking for discount or I'll leave lol currently have all channels minus sports and movies, phone and broadband for £32 a month
Iirc cheapest ATM with sports is £29
Wait for them to put F1 on box office in next few years tho lol
Bernie is in it for the money, BBC have no money, Sky do.... pretty obvious how that was going to come out.
Chances are people will flock for sky sports etc and then come the start of the 2012 season it will be on its own F1 channel which will need a £20 a month subby for regardless of the package you are on lol
Pirate feeds with 5live commentry will get popular.
craig green
29-07-11, 05:56 PM
Bummer all round IMO, I cant imagine BBC have opted out lightly, just makes the license fee even more annoying for anyone that has watched F1.
Imagine all the annoying ads you'll get on SKY coverage..
looks like Sky will be a must when we move.
Watching Sky Sports news, they confirmed there will be no adverts mid race like ITV a few years ago, that was crap
Sadly I have to upgrade as F1 is one of the few things I won't miss tbh
heard this on the radio :(
Just as i was getting back into F1 they go and chuck it on sky
Had a hunch this would happen, F1 wouldn't have been free for ever, everyone is out to make money.
Good job I took out my SkySports pack last month :) £51 a month'a'hoy
I remember the days when the complete Sky channel package was like £28 per month lol
blue_peg_16v
29-07-11, 07:34 PM
Takes the piss why are we paying the licence fee for an antiquated system it's about time the government ditched it and made the BBC go commercial and compete with other tv stations
I remember when petrol was 90p a litre lol everything has gone up
I dont actually think sky is that dear if you have broadband and phone with them as well as the tv, works out cheaper as you get free line rental for the first year, then just threaten to leave after that lol and they'll offer the same deal
I hope their world falls apart
I remember when petrol was 90p a litre lol everything has gone up
I dont actually think sky is that dear if you have broadband and phone with them as well as the tv, works out cheaper as you get free line rental for the first year, then just threaten to leave after that lol and they'll offer the same deal
Why should you have to battle them every year to keep the price low..... why cant they just not fist you. We left sky completely after it was was costing £40 a month for their slowest BB, worst phone service and basic family package ( started out on £24 a month and just rose with no change of service). Fecks the lot of them.
I am considering going to NThelL as the tivo looks awesome and would let us watch TV how we want to, although that does require a lot of stuff to be watchable to be broadcast lol
Southie
29-07-11, 07:49 PM
It's a bloody joke, I'll just watch the repeats/highlights which will cut out all the boring parts of the race which is bound to be shown on the BBC.
I've got sky but won't be upgrading to watch only the F1 tbh.
blue_peg_16v
29-07-11, 08:40 PM
I remember when petrol was 90p a litre lol everything has gone up
I dont actually think sky is that dear if you have broadband and phone with them as well as the tv, works out cheaper as you get free line rental for the first year, then just threaten to leave after that lol and they'll offer the same deal
petrol was 76p / litre when i started driving
Southie
29-07-11, 08:48 PM
Petrol for me was 65p per litre when I started driving, I wonder how many on here were paying shillings and pence lol
lol I put 90p as I can't remember how much a litre it was 15 years ago when I passed lol
.....F1 practice was good earlier :) Hamilton quickest in both sessions
That's. Bloody joke,been on the BBC for years now,I just ain't laying out for skysports tho,bernie you old @@@@,all money money money with you,mind you don't choke while your eating
Southie
29-07-11, 09:56 PM
Tony, before a couple of seasons it was on ITV for some years and was so was full of adverts, you don't watch F1 do you lol
blue_peg_16v
29-07-11, 10:02 PM
last season was on bbc
Southie
29-07-11, 10:04 PM
I missed last season then, I don't watch it religiously anymore lol
Edit: how time goes, Murray Walker commentating the other day/race was a blast from the past though.
well, the [female] bbc head of sport was banging on about all the amazing sports that the bbc still covers, tennis, some golf, some horse racing etc... & still 10 races of the f1 calendar was an amazing deal .......
thats right bitch:
1. only the f1 was actually a real championship with seperate rounds......
2. the viewing figures for most of the other sports are truly pants.....
3. the beeb sell the tennis round the world & make tons of coin..... they used to do this with the f1 to australia/canada/ commonwealth countries etc....
also the concord agreement is about to be renegotiated.... 50p says the free to air bit disappears.....
whats the odds that sky will put jim rosenthal on the bit at the end that they are obliged to fill (in case of safety car bits etc) with some allegedly knowledgeable dolly bird that says every other line off the autocue & actually would have trouble identifying an f1 car, and thinks DRS are people who look after poorly people
Speaking of women on sports-theres an absolutely stunning blonde thats on channel 4 racing.....
i don't follow horses... you usually end up standing in horsemuck
Tbh I think Sky will do a good job of it, they've hardly done a crap job with the football
Wouldn't be at all suprised to see them poach some of the presenting team from the BBC
1. bullocks
2. at what point did people lose the ability to watch a particular sport, with a small amount of commentary, and enjoy it??
sky sports.... they analyse every last little thing on the footy to 'improve' the show....it really doesn't matter if the ref was wrong or the player was offside by 1/2" as the referees decision is final.
i love f1, there isn't much, apart from spanish race tracks, that puts me off. the fact of the matter is this: as soon as the warmup lap starts, the footage is the f1 official feed. they might have runners in the pits, or the girl who's job is to talk to every backmarker who breaks down etc... but there is no extra footage once the race is 'on'. jake is a decent presenter, eddie jordan talks crap, brundle's pit walk is usually crap.... its the race that we will watch... i don't want to watch a feature on the simulator at maranello, as you just know they won't show you anything current, in case another team works it out..
So you think Sky's coverage is going to be crap then ? lol
I'm just going by the way they cover other Sports, pretty good IMO, Football maybe wasn't the best example as we all know there overpaid coonts lol
i saw the monaco gp a couple of years back, sat in a bar in the south of france.... i don't understand much french, but when brundle is trying to get some supermodel to say at least one interesting word, the french commentators are birdwatching... and some of the birds were awesome..... then they used bernies std tv feed... i didn't need to understand french to see what was going on.... so, i will probably try to subscribe to a network that covers f1..on my virgin cable package... i've got a feeling that mr branson might just sort something out...
I'll want to watch all the races so I'll give the phone hacking ring leader a extra £15 per month, hope the mo-fo chokes on it mind lol
Yep i'm a big fan too.
Dissapointed, I think Jake will stay (he has too many other commitments to BBC) Brundle or Coults will go, not both though IMO.
The likes of Legard might come in to commentate, which would be no bad thing, I miss Legard big time this year - he was as good and as exciting as Walker IMO.
I'll pay it, **** it I like football too, it'll be a bonus to have both. it's gonna cost me £29.50 a month more though! CUNTS!
what are you on about??? legard was as interesting as a railway timetable.. he was good on the radio, where his little bits of info were useful to fill with, but it wasn't right on tv, where you have the pictures too
windfreek
10-08-11, 11:33 AM
Well to me this is the final straw with the BBC, so much so i decided to set up one of those "e-petition's" to abolish the TV licence fee, its got a year to collect the sigs needed and apparently if it gets 10,000 sigs it has to be lobbied to parliament... its only been on for 5 days and its already over 700 so feel free to sign it if you also agree that the beeb should stop its "tax" on the public, regardless if the public use its services or not...
grrr i need an angrydome... :mad:
E-PETITION LINK HERE (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/264)
Who cares, F1 is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Unless it rains when everyone is on slicks, or someone runs over some pit crew, or people crash into each other etc.
It would be nice if BBC made a move on WRC instead - they could make full weekends of it, and there's FAR more going on than your average donkey kong-esque circuit race. That would lead to more people watching rallying = more sponsors = more manufacturers coming back in.
Just don't get Tony Mason back on it lol
Pistol Pete
10-08-11, 01:22 PM
Double post. Ooops.
Pistol Pete
10-08-11, 01:23 PM
LMFAO at the "paint dry" comments and such like. Try actually watching a race once in a while, eh!
And on the subject of the WRC....Leob seems to be doing pretty much what he has done in other seasons.....WRC has gone downhill over the last few years. I used to be an avid follower, but it doesnt seem to have any appeal to me anymore. Hell, i stood about on a cold November day last year to watch it in Wales lol
I WILL NOT be paying extra for Sky sports, as the majority of it is football. A sport which i have not interest in whatsoever. I am hoping that as Mowgli says, Mr Branson sees an opportunity and sets up a Virgin deal. I will galdly move to Virgin then. Want a good excuse as my BB is with them!
EDIT: Jack, just noticed your sig lol MINT!
Jack, you watched this F1 season at all ? lol some awesome races IMO
Sky are considering a separate and apparently cheaper option to just have the F1 and not the sports package, details later in the year
id rather watch police interceptors as its more exciting than f1, and they get to race though the hoods of the uk!!
Back to your chicken merris lol
**** the chicken!! just got back from a 15 quid session down the cafe!!!
Get BTCC on the bbc instead!!!
I agree with the boring comment, F1 bores the fook out of me. The Clio Cup is much more interesting. lol
And i cant see Sky being able offer some kind of deal because its set to be broadcast on the generic Sky Sports, unless they put F1 on a specific channel (box office for example, and pay per F1 weekend)
Oh and Sky sports is more expensive through Virgin than it is through Sky.
Oh and Sky sports is more expensive through Virgin than it is through Sky.
Because Virgin have buy the franchise (ie, Sky Sports brand) off Sky for £xyz so pass that onto the customers lol But Sky is pretty shÃ*t anyway lol (biased opinion as I get Virgin virtually FOC lol )
Yup lol
Personally i think SKY is better, they just need sort themselves out and get cable broadband on the go for the complete package.
SKYs boxes are nicer, the epg's are better, as is the picture and sound.
lol yes I have tried watching F1
lol yes I have tried watching F1
But the overwhelming desire to watch the bloke across the road's 2nd coat of gloss on his front door dry won??
I have given a few races a go this year, and Ive been lucky to get the exciting ones (Monaco and Canada, and about 50% of the Deutsch one)... but the rest have sounded dull as feck. Anyway BTCC cant really come to the BBC as although there is nothing on TV on a sunday, I bet the couldnt let 7-8hrs of one channel be taken up by it, granted there is a lot of chaff in that 7-8hrs lol.
WRC is about the only tangible 'cheap' motorsport worth covering on the Beeb.
Mike, any way to find out what postcodes/streets in towns are covered by Vergin fiber? Their website method means I'd have to track down postcodes for all the houses we are looking at and find out if the are connectable lol
Mike, any way to find out what postcodes/streets in towns are covered by Vergin fiber? Their website method means I'd have to track down postcodes for all the houses we are looking at and find out if the are connectable lol
Erm, I dont actually know to be honest lol most high populated estates adjacent to or near major towns etc are though. If your moving or living out the in the sticks in a rinky dinky village its a definte no no lol
dont bother me i pay my subscriptions lol
There are quite a few built up main areas that aint in VM cable areas, so search wisely Stu.
Our 'estate' isnt on VM, some of stortford is though.... I just want all options so want to find where it is :)
I did have a map of the UK showing me what parts of it Virgin Head Ends cover, its not all of it, but a decent sized proportion, dont know what I did with that though :S
Snippet of info here, doesnt include 100 or 500mb an dont know how upto date it is either :S
http://www.broadbandanalyst.co.uk/broadband-information/cable-broadband/
I can remote acess work stuff from home but cant find the part that detiails network coverage.
You're all whining like kids. They have not as yet released all the details IIRC.
from what I've read the teams are committed to having the full races shown on free to air even if that mans the races run a few hours later. So maybe BBC will have all the races shown in full just not live.
Also bear in mind the Concorde agreement is up very soon and the teams do not want to re sign they want to go it alone.
Pistol Pete
11-08-11, 10:06 AM
You're all whining like kids. They have not as yet released all the details IIRC.
from what I've read the teams are committed to having the full races shown on free to air even if that mans the races run a few hours later. So maybe BBC will have all the races shown in full just not live.
Also bear in mind the Concorde agreement is up very soon and the teams do not want to re sign they want to go it alone.
Erm...
Sky Sports will show every race, qualifying and practice session live and uninterrupted, whilst the BBC will broadcast half the races, and qualifying sessions for those events, live.
Full article here: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/7/12372.html
So that to me says the Beeb will show the remaining races at 7pm the same eve (depending on time difference) probably condensed down into a 1 hour highlights show lol
Yeah, the concorde agreement is up soon as is the current BBC contract. Whats to stop Sky getting sole rights?
Nothing is stopping them at all
But like everything nowadays it costs
Sky have money the BBC don't so the end lol
Tbh it's a bit of a piss take but either watch it on the BBC or pay to watch it on Sky
Just get Sky with broadband, phone and sports/f1, it's hardly a bank breaker if you get it all from them
Our 'estate' isnt on VM, some of stortford is though.... I just want all options so want to find where it is :)
Does the samknows website cover VM fibre? Can't view it at work so can't check at the mo.
Just browsed through this thread breifly, many a comical comment. I have just a few questions, does anyone actually know of the wall of silence from the bbc etc and to what degree they have gone to, to sweep this under the carpet (it is quite shocking considering). And also are you actually aware of the deal that ch4 proposed, that alone shows what a scam and a side step the bbc has created.
Thats just 2 simple questions which flip this on its head to a degree and thats just a scratch on the surface of all thats been going on in the background. Alot of it has nothing to do with cost cutting or who can afford what. Those that read into that side of things are proof that manipulation is still a strong force in the press and generally aimed at the weak lol lol lol
Yup lol
Personally i think SKY is better, they just need sort themselves out and get cable broadband on the go for the complete package.
SKYs boxes are nicer, the epg's are better, as is the picture and sound.
Hardly lol
BskyB are slowly getting reamed by Virgin in the internet stakes. Once Virgin are happily streaming 500meg broadband (which won't be long) and sky are still attempting to push the interwebs down the UK's aging phone network, the telly you actually get from your 'box' will be irrelevant as by then most TV will probably be internet based anyway. Not even taking into account Virgin can now give you three telly feeds at once as opposed to sky's two.
Why Sky don't work on getting the internet from the dish instead is beyond me. I mean all of virgins TV, phone and lower speed internet stuff comes down on one measly bit of 2 core coax and thats still a better internet speed than you can get down a phone line! Once you go fiberoptic it smokes Sky's package into the weeds!
If they offered internet via the dish I would pay for sky tomorrow, and so would so many other people who live in the middle of nowhere and don't have a phone line! If they don't do it, I predict they will lose business to nearly every home that has access to virgin within the next 5 years.
Just a quick view on the VM forums just shows how many people dislike them and want to switch BACK to Sky. lol
95% of people only have VM because of there unbeatable broadband speed, which dont forget IS throttled at peak times, and for p2p/torrent users (which the majority of users are) You tried hosting a xbox live game on VMs broadband??? lol
There are also a lot of people who are already saying VM are trying to get too much from there cable network, ever increasing internet speeds, more tv channels etc etc, already pushing towards some kind of network limit. Also explaining the lack of quality of some of VMs tv channels, to try and save some bandwidth.
Admittedly SKY also have there issues, but coming from my personal experience of both company's the ONLY thing that holds back Skys customer numbers is there phoneline broadband.
Pistol Pete
13-08-11, 03:13 PM
I have the best of both IMO. Sky telly and Virgin for my BB and phone. Skys BB (well BT actually lol) is ****e. As i am in a cabled area i took advantage of that and switched. Never had any issues or noticed any throttling either.
If they offered internet via the dish I would pay for sky tomorrow, and so would so many other people who live in the middle of nowhere and don't have a phone line! If they don't do it, I predict they will lose business to nearly every home that has access to virgin within the next 5 years.
They don't do internet via the dish as it's prohibitively expensive, the speeds are not earth shattering and it's only one way. The 'request' traffic has to go via some other means i.e the phone line, either dial up or some sort of broadband. The latency this introduces means that satellite services suck at web browsing.
Saloony
13-08-11, 05:04 PM
Boy at work has suggested that Btcc will come to bbc in place of F1. Good, proper racing to be watched.
I think everyone wants to be on the 'other' supplier lol.
Skys SD picture quality is dire, worse than Freeview. Purely to get the number of +1/2/3/4 channels on there and to try and push you onto the HD stream which imho is no better than it used to be.
I think everyone wants to be on the 'other' supplier lol.
Skys SD picture quality is dire, worse than Freeview. Purely to get the number of +1/2/3/4 channels on there and to try and push you onto the HD stream which imho is no better than it used to be.
Virgin Media SD picture is worse than Sky on the Tivo and V+ boxes.
Freeview picture quality is better than both on SD signals.
Picture qaulity is just down to RF signal strength (Low, Mid & High freqs) if there all working in harmony you get crystal picture, if the installer is a bodging mofo an is getting really low freq on whats known as a forward path, but hasnt bothered to put an attenuator into a cable feed then you can end up with low/**** qaulity picture.
Its all down to the installer really.
I can garantee you this though, VM are getting very very close to rolling out 500mb internet across there cabled areas of the UK, BT's old **** wiring network cannot physically take that kinda speed what so ever (proven fact aswell :thumb: )
Picture qaulity is just down to RF signal strength (Low, Mid & High freqs) if there all working in harmony you get crystal picture, if the installer is a bodging mofo an is getting really low freq on whats known as a forward path, but hasnt bothered to put an attenuator into a cable feed then you can end up with low/**** qaulity picture.
Its all down to the installer really.
I can garantee you this though, VM are getting very very close to rolling out 500mb internet across there cabled areas of the UK, BT's old **** wiring network cannot physically take that kinda speed what so ever (proven fact aswell :thumb: )
tbh I only 'want'/need 10Meg lol Using 4.4meg with O2 and its enough to watch iplayer/4od/obtain things fast enough for our needs lol
tbh I only 'want'/need 10Meg lol Using 4.4meg with O2 and its enough to watch iplayer/4od/obtain things fast enough for our needs lol
10meg is more then enough for any normal house, unless your running like 2 XBox Live, iPad + desktop etc all at once. Its all about the RF levels though lol 0 to -10bdmv with a +/-6.
TiVo has its own 10meg connection for in built apps :thumb: (Twitter, Faceache, eBay etc).
computer/pad browsing uses shag all bandwidth unless you are streaming/downloading.
So then most folks would need a max of 20-25meg.... and then no need to throttle that so a 500meg backbone for a street would be all thats needed.
They don't do internet via the dish as it's prohibitively expensive, the speeds are not earth shattering and it's only one way. The 'request' traffic has to go via some other means i.e the phone line, either dial up or some sort of broadband. The latency this introduces means that satellite services suck at web browsing.
2 way satellite internet has existed for years. It may well be expensive upgrading their current network due to it being one way, but not nearly as expensive as losing their business.
As I said in my previous post, as it stands you get most if not all of your TV from a sky dish or a virgin cable, or a freeview digital signal. I assure you in the next 5 to 10 years, it will slowly move towards internet streaming. TV scheduling is already starting to become a thing of the past due to recordable boxes and TV on demand, but give it another decade and a schedule just wont exist. You'll pop onto the net on your internet TV and watch what you want when you want. Period. Its not going to happen overnight, but sky need to seriously start thinking about upgrading their system if they want to stay in the market in the future, because it will be about who has the strongest internet package.
They have the 'anytime+' crap but given some places have dire internets then it can take upto an hour to get a half hour program in on that lol
We tend to watch one episode of a TV series on TV at its scheduled time then accidentally find that the USA is 2-3 series ahead and that all the episodes can be watched when we want.... This will be killing TV/advertisers very soon as more and more 'normal' people clock onto it
2 way satellite internet has existed for years. It may well be expensive upgrading their current network due to it being one way, but not nearly as expensive as losing their business.
As I said in my previous post, as it stands you get most if not all of your TV from a sky dish or a virgin cable, or a freeview digital signal. I assure you in the next 5 to 10 years, it will slowly move towards internet streaming. TV scheduling is already starting to become a thing of the past due to recordable boxes and TV on demand, but give it another decade and a schedule just wont exist. You'll pop onto the net on your internet TV and watch what you want when you want. Period. Its not going to happen overnight, but sky need to seriously start thinking about upgrading their system if they want to stay in the market in the future, because it will be about who has the strongest internet package.
That is true, 2 way has been around but again it's much much more expensive than 1 way sat, let alone 'broadband'. That's before you even get to the practical limitations of the the technology. You need a large dish for reliable, high bandwidth applications - can't see mass market appeal here. It was BSB that introduced the smaller consumer dish in the first place. Dish placement has to be precise, and can still be subject to interference from other satellite services. Finally, satellite services as susceptible to rain interference, doesn't cause much in the way of problems for TV but it will if you're using the data element for your TV.
A company targetting the mass market are not going to invest heavily in a technology that only a few (mainly rural folk) would pay for, let alone pay for the support costs of countless users moaning that the data isn't working because the weather is bad again or a pidgeon has moved the dish a mm or two.
I do agree that internet services are the way forward but they won't become 'standard issue' or as highly developed as I'd like to see until even those out in the sticks can get a few meg download speed.
If only BT had been allowed to fibre the country in the 90's when the wanted to...we could all have 100mb+ internet access by now :(
If only BT had been allowed to fibre the country in the 90's when the wanted to...we could all have 100mb+ internet access by now :(
BT still can now though, but they wont invest that much money to upgrade there network that, at present, does work. You know the saying, if it aint broke, dont fix it etc.
Hell even the Virgin network isn't fully fibre optic. Its only fibre upto the Node in the DP (green box in the street).
BT still can now though, but they wont invest that much money to upgrade there network that, at present, does work. You know the saying, if it aint broke, dont fix it etc.
Hell even the Virgin network isn't fully fibre optic. Its only fibre upto the Node in the DP (green box in the street).
BT wanted originally to fibre the whole country, but the powers that be decided that it would be unfair to the competition and told BT if they did it they would have to give up lots of it. Pretty much what happened with the unbundling, only this would have included BT equipment not just access to the exchange.
No company in their right mind would spend billions to not be able to make any money back from it. BT are now rolling FTTC and FTTP in areas where it is viable (i.e. ducting in the road to houses to avoid costly roadworks) or where a return can be made quickly. This isn't the same as a country wide rollout of a technology.
If you knew what hoops BT had to jump through due to the regulator (mainly due to it being ex Government) you would laugh.
dj_wudgey
16-08-11, 12:09 AM
its bollocks any way no one cares!! go watch a real motor sport go watch some rallying preferably historical!!!
I'm not sure, but I think Mike just spoke interwebs technical speak... Who the hell taught him that? lol
That is true, 2 way has been around but again it's much much more expensive than 1 way sat, let alone 'broadband'. That's before you even get to the practical limitations of the the technology. You need a large dish for reliable, high bandwidth applications - can't see mass market appeal here. It was BSB that introduced the smaller consumer dish in the first place. Dish placement has to be precise, and can still be subject to interference from other satellite services. Finally, satellite services as susceptible to rain interference, doesn't cause much in the way of problems for TV but it will if you're using the data element for your TV.
A company targetting the mass market are not going to invest heavily in a technology that only a few (mainly rural folk) would pay for, let alone pay for the support costs of countless users moaning that the data isn't working because the weather is bad again or a pidgeon has moved the dish a mm or two.
I do agree that internet services are the way forward but they won't become 'standard issue' or as highly developed as I'd like to see until even those out in the sticks can get a few meg download speed.
If only BT had been allowed to fibre the country in the 90's when the wanted to...we could all have 100mb+ internet access by now :(
I agree with everything you just said.
Thats kind of my point, if they don't pursue a satellite based internet system that is better than the current 2 way setup thats availiable, AND the phone lines are upgraded to cope with a reasonable bandwidth, AND virgin have their cable, AND most TV becomes internet based, what is bskyb's niche? They will just become another talk talk, selling internet off the back of a BT network.
Save this post for posterity if you want, I'm pretty sure sky will be in trouble within the next decade UNLESS they do something to overhaul their sattelite network.
I'm not sure, but I think Mike just spoke interwebs technical speak... Who the hell taught him that? lol
Who ever did, removed the bit of his brain that says dont expose undeveloped camera film to light lol
I'm not sure, but I think Mike just spoke interwebs technical speak...
This is true....
Who ever did, removed the bit of his brain that says dont expose undeveloped camera film to light lol
But sadly this is also :(
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