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As the old thread was full of me being skint and doing fcuk all apart from tidy up. I am now away from uni commitments for a year, and working at an engineering company where I have access to all manner of toys and full engine rebuilding kit. :)
For anyone that didn't follow it before:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/DSC_0039JPG.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/DSC_0044JPG.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/DSC_0046JPG.jpg
Picked up via Lynz and dougie :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/DSC01399.jpg
Washed off
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/DSC_0049JPG.jpg
And home :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/02042010037.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/02042010036.jpg
Got a bit of bay welding done before uni went crazy and money went through the floor
Then onto today/this weekend.
First off, tidy up. lol
Can see how much of a crap hole it was here: (night before billing, painting my bumper stripe)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/01072011450.jpg
To:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/25072011467.jpg
Next up, do sod all :d
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/25072011463.jpg
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Got underneath it to see what its like after 2 years sat in the garage, still pretty damn good to be fair, pics make it look bad but it's all surface rust, will be wire wheeled off etch primed for now in stages as I stitch weld it throughout, a good red oxide coat on that and then probably just a random top coat for now, until I get a cage sorted and welded in as it'll burn through in a couple of places obviously. May even leave it as red oxide and put a load of moisture traps under the car.
edit: Just noticed how sketchy the stands look lol They are solid as there's no weight to the car at all atm, and I did make sure I can push the car about a fair bit without it going anywhere before I got under it. :)
Plans are to get it road worthy on a good chassis which I can then bolt stuff to, next up will be the engine, which is a bit backwards but I currently have access to all manner of engine rebuilding toys so it makes sense to do it now. Basically it will be a monster with a working loom with pedals and gears, probably a solid bar to steer it, some random lethal suspension and not much else until I finish building it up lol
Chassis related goodies:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HjoufGK4SxQ/TjNAhQhQc-I/AAAAAAAAAEE/C-9HA0Zi5BM/s720/30072011469.jpg
Combe tomorrow for inspiration and then work on her on sunday :)
Rust gel is for anywhere I can't get to with wire wheels etc btw, or for soaking parts depending how well it works!
mk1nova_rich
30-07-11, 08:27 AM
Nice :) I can honestly say I've never seen axle stands placed there lol please report on the rust protection stuff
Normally go just under the beam but that's coming off, find a strong point on a Nova is a good game, can take hours sometimes :)
The box sections either side of the fuel tank are a good place for stands. Rust attack products look good, heard some of those highly recommended, get 'em from Frost/Holden?
The box sections either side of the fuel tank are a good place for stands. Rust attack products look good, heard some of those highly recommended, get 'em from Frost/Holden?
Think I'd have to get underneath to see what you mean but the chassis rails in a nova aren't really strong enough to take stands! It's not too bad on this partly because they're bugger already on the front and partly because there's nothing to it atm lol Rally design
Meant here, just to the right where the underseal is a bit darker:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/Mel/25072011463.jpg
Ah fair enough, I was going for height and it's all solid and not going anywhere :)
craig green
30-07-11, 05:13 PM
Crack on, shell looks pretty good underneath considering the age.
Lol at the stand location, now pull your finger out and get some work done :)
scott.parker
30-07-11, 11:32 PM
Rally design for the products?
Tbh i use the beam mounts to use as a stand position too, find it's solid, and give best hight gain from a low car, never had any issues with it.
Nice to see your getting into this again mate.
Scott
Rally design for the products?
Tbh i use the beam mounts to use as a stand position too, find it's solid, and give best hight gain from a low car, never had any issues with it.
Nice to see your getting into this again mate.
Scott
Yeah rally design have a chassis repair or something or other section with a load of the bilt hamber products in, get a good review in the retro mags etc
nova_saloon
31-07-11, 08:12 PM
i went to go view this one not to long ago, bit of rust in the standard places, but otherwise quite tidy. was quite near to me, thought id add it to my mustard to have a collection!
i went to go view this one not to long ago, bit of rust in the standard places, but otherwise quite tidy. was quite near to me, thought id add it to my mustard to have a collection!
I very much doubt that as it's been in my garage since November 08
edit: although it was quite near to you indeed, depends if you call 2 and a half years not long ago lol
NOV4_SPORT
31-07-11, 09:34 PM
Looking good buddy, i will be keeping an eye on your thread.
iain
nova_saloon
31-07-11, 11:02 PM
I very much doubt that as it's been in my garage since November 08
edit: although it was quite near to you indeed, depends if you call 2 and a half years not long ago lol
yeh it wasnt that long ago 2 an half years :P Lol it was in 2008, i went down there before i started uni, talked to the guy, had a carbon fibred up car in the garage! you see that? plus had a snow plough front bumper out back on in the shed he was trying to shift. but i deffo went to go to see it.
yeh it wasnt that long ago 2 an half years :P Lol it was in 2008, i went down there before i started uni, talked to the guy, had a carbon fibred up car in the garage! you see that? plus had a snow plough front bumper out back on in the shed he was trying to shift. but i deffo went to go to see it.
Car wasn't carbon fibre it was wrapped, and I sold the snowplough recently lol
nova_saloon
01-08-11, 10:51 PM
yeh i know it was wrapped, he tried selling me some of the wrap lol! but it was just easier to describe as carbonned up! lol so you bought it.
New toys as I broke the old one :(
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t4H9eRP74Mc/TjnHXg2IrRI/AAAAAAAAAFY/rZr1FOlwjXI/s576/102_0758.JPG
Last one was closer to Mustard yellow too :( This has a pretty blue light near the cord to tell you when you plugged it in though, just In case you're a complete tard :)
Ends up in this though, looks like a lot more has disappeared than has tbh, and I only spent a couple hours on it, it's all the easy bit in the middle to be honest which hasn't got any stonechip on it.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GvllfIFQ8jQ/TjnHJhriNmI/AAAAAAAAAE4/pAZgKmbsDTI/s576/102_0747.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-sRGqUK60Dtw/TjnHJTPtkiI/AAAAAAAAAE0/4JFJTnPD07s/s576/102_0746.JPG
Clean transmission/exhaust tunnel
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uk_wNcgZJhQ/TjnHJPgrROI/AAAAAAAAAEw/3KuXFQL-mKo/s576/102_0745.JPG
And for anyone wondering the point/merit of doing all this:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h2xXPHPQJiM/TjnHTG2G6FI/AAAAAAAAAFI/DLLxt7lTYUY/s640/102_0751.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lsIMHu8Wu6A/TjnHUc9Lt8I/AAAAAAAAAFQ/3WDTC_4GZFU/s640/102_0752.JPG
Each of the little dots/circles is a stonechip and spreading surface rust, right on the underside of the car where all road salt crap etc gets sent.
Also found the first of my minor nasties:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tBG2poWDy3o/TjnHNzrFcCI/AAAAAAAAAE8/AlLblLrb2xM/s576/102_0748.JPG
Just a bit of rust on an edge where it's go in the lip.
Made a huge hole too.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-glOysaTwmuw/TjnHUCJAzoI/AAAAAAAAAFM/IiZle3ZCehE/s640/102_0753.JPG
I'm planning to keep the standard Vauxhall anti rust primer stuff as far as possible, as it seems to be doing a good enough job and it's hard enough to remove with a wire wheel so it's hardly gonna flake off lol I'll put a coat of etch primer over the lot, a light stonechip coating as I don't want to lash 10 kilo back on it tbh, and overpaint it engine bay/interior colour to keep water out of the stonechip as much as possible. Go for light coats as again I don't wanna lash 2 litres of paint on it, and also it should give it some more flexibility, and I don't exactly want/need to gloss up the underside.
Trying to get hold of some spot weld cutters too but paypal are being arses and have locked my account because I sent £3 to someone, apparently thats a suspicious transaction that could be a security threat.
Not much progress lately due to work commitments, but last weekend I went to see Mike for some wings:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-azA7x-pPQ-w/Tk2jVcV2YgI/AAAAAAAAAIs/FMGBJfQg_Ks/s1024/18082011489.jpg
Just a touch wider than expected:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ogcNO2bVBos/Tk2jXx2WWyI/AAAAAAAAAIw/-wT6zePbMlY/s1024/18082011490.jpg
lol
They're light as anything and will provide LOTS of clearance for semi slicks though. Not sure what to do about the rears now though.
Also got some spot weld cutters:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jkhNTs9N_iA/Tk2jYRcTsjI/AAAAAAAAAI0/j3NK4Acc5ck/s1024/18082011491.jpg
Tried using one earlier and it just skips all over the place, so I'm going to get a centre punch tomorrow (should have one really!) and see if that helps the little point stay where it should be.
scott.parker
19-08-11, 10:32 AM
lol lol lol
No going back now, you need some wide rears mate!
Oli D always ran his as skinny rears. Tbh, they're mainly for light weight. Thing is my wheels are 6.5J, which is just that touch wider than most.
First up was stage 2 on the diet, Banish this gruesome thing;
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DnvhheLmFVQ/ToeV9fSwUgI/AAAAAAAAAMg/CyZNJmxWyF4/s640/01102011528.jpg
For this one, which is roughly 2 tonnes lighter.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Jhzwk88-ARw/ToeV9nfCBgI/AAAAAAAAAMk/OPVDS0-UdX0/s576/01102011529.jpg
Sharpened this thing up as it went blunt on me :( (And does work Limplamp you northern mincer, learn how to use a centre punch)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YnBDXxYcBPU/ToeV8XlvZbI/AAAAAAAAAMc/IgxcdwTpH0g/s576/01102011530.jpg
Then welded up a few holes and little circles it made, probably gonna use a grinder/ flap disc on the rest tbh as it's far easier/neater to clean up and rips through it fast enough. Few welds look like bird poo too as I haven't used the thing in too long! Soon got used to it though and discovered a slightly darker shading on the mask works a lot better :)
Tommorows plan is to clean up the rest of the underside and get it welded, started on that last night but then realised I'd just accidently welded in the drivers seat rail to the chassis leg a bit better than it was before lol
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0HT5xPP3Oj4/ToeV-l5UWLI/AAAAAAAAAMo/z6ydN-Nu6KA/s576/01102011531.jpg
I'd compliment your Nova progress but I hate you too much to do so.
scott.parker
01-10-11, 11:57 PM
What you doing with that old boot spoiler?
Iain linked me this, cos he said he was trying to buy your wheels. Nice pic. lol
As for the spotweld cutters, I did centre punch. Wait until you have one over two panels or on a less than flat surface/dodgy angle. Happy drilling! :P
worked fine on the curved bits at weird angles in the middle of the brace thing :)
Scott it's yours if you wanna come scrape it off of the offending tailgate, and then straighten it and repaint it. It's tigersealed on on the p!ss.
scott.parker
02-10-11, 12:15 AM
Well i wont be traveling down any time soon dude, not much cash for long drives! lol
You did read the bit where I said it was tigersealed on on the piss? It's a brave man that tries rescuing that lol
scott.parker
02-10-11, 12:39 AM
Bit of fine fishing wire under it, bobs your uncle!
Bit of fine fishing wire under it, bobs your uncle!
I can keep it here for you if you want but I might have to cut the bottom section off or something as the garage is a touch crowded atm
Don't have any fine fishing line in atm lol
Not much progress yesterday on the car, but lots in terms of space/tidyness.
Actually have a clear walkway down here and space for the welder to tidy away now :)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Nv65UH7wRNs/Tonnmss0jKI/AAAAAAAAANQ/fbumXK15zhw/s720/02102011535.jpg
Just need to clear this:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4esmZIDsD_k/TonnmfzCOKI/AAAAAAAAANM/VTnd7L8UOYA/s912/02102011536.jpg
To under here when all the boards etc are gone:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A2-jXBeOHwQ/Tonnl9uTXOI/AAAAAAAAANI/jwMTsCkL4-Y/s912/02102011537.jpg
And find some space for this so I can work on the whole car:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1VtfgPMYBwQ/TonnqS-oD3I/AAAAAAAAANU/gFi8vxsPMDQ/s912/02102011538.jpg
Main space comes from my new wheel and tyre store being:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mUCrrA-BG5Q/Tonnsvd2aTI/AAAAAAAAANc/CbgcN3Rsu6w/s720/02102011533.jpg
And one just for Iaiaiaiaiainol of my wheel collection:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DstplTeadvE/TonntUyWovI/AAAAAAAAANg/Hcu5E8e19Eg/s912/02102011534.jpg
Scott might notice I got that spoiler off as well btw, want me to keep hold of it for you?
I'm gonna find out where you live.
Looks like it'd be a reasonable size area to work if you cleared your crap out
Mostly not my crap unfortunately :( If it was my choice I'd bin all the ancient wood and electrical/plumbing ****e that we never use etc and 90% of that racking up the back would be free. Might have to wait until the parents decide to holiday abroad again lol
The entire bench underneath the boards etc is pretty much unused/full of stuff to bin though, so lots of stuff can be hidden away there.
scott.parker
03-10-11, 06:48 PM
Silk violet grill... when did you steal that out my shed? lol
Yes mate, if you can keep it till some time next when i see you, maybe Karting? or if not just hold it for me till i next see you.
Cheers.
Was bought legitimately from whoever stole it out of your shed. I'll have to find somewhere to hide it for now then lol
scott.parker
03-10-11, 07:00 PM
What the spoiler? strap it to the ceiling! lol
scott.parker
03-10-11, 07:09 PM
of the nova lol
OMG an update.
I tidied up again:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gBVNZERzXIE/TwtlQljWZCI/AAAAAAAAASo/2sLyUu455T4/s1280/IMAG0037.jpg
To make room for this heap of turd:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1gq84W_MjHM/TwtlWqzutqI/AAAAAAAAATA/4_ouqJ6ZbDE/s1280/IMAG0041.jpg
And all these little heaps of turd:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_2CO0JdichA/TwtlYwcHI_I/AAAAAAAAATI/yizwfMMq6iI/s1280/IMAG0042.jpg
Also meet my christmas cracker treasure, creepy, my new curl around anything welding lamp.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V1ehbWpl0m0/TwtlVvkHzhI/AAAAAAAAAS4/VxDX1kSu98g/s1280/IMAG0040.jpg
Also, I cut all of this crap out:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6aJH8AF8M58/TwtlQZmeWKI/AAAAAAAAASk/R7wCrDgbfDE/s1280/IMAG0038.jpg
But the spot welds remain and grinding them out is a right chore, so I think it's spot weld drill bits, hours of fun, and welding/flap discing back to flat later. :(
editing edits: Pics now bigger, although still a bit crap.
1) You SUCK at tidying up!
2) Buy a Powerfile!
You didn't see the state of it before! Entire bootful of crap+ 2 bags of leaves came out of there lol
christurboo
09-01-12, 10:39 PM
3 ) get it finished
Money money money :( But hopefully soon! ish, maybe.
scott.parker
09-01-12, 11:09 PM
Sell this to the scrap man and buy mine, hey presto no need to spend money building one! lol
Paint it yellow and take that fat heavy thing out the front and I'll consider it lol
If I could get 4k scrap for mine I probably would though lol
Engine Inspection time:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jR-NMVq3mSE/Twy955f3sVI/AAAAAAAAATo/kulA3w5aTQA/s1280/IMAG0043.jpg
Oil was filthy and smelled like it had been roasted, which isn't a good sign, but the bores looked decent at first glance.
This one was a little fecker, overtightened as usual I expect!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0gMc81ICehg/Twy96UJDJFI/AAAAAAAAATw/87ura9OnuuI/s800/IMAG0044.jpg
Pistons out, nice lightweight looking things, hell of a lot less beefy than 20XE ones. Although filthy in crapped up oil
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vSq9nhyEcx0/Twy9_BSUrhI/AAAAAAAAAT8/iU2179U7dFk/s1280/IMAG0045.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CbgIfmHhZ-w/Twy9_TyJvqI/AAAAAAAAAUA/j0uflBsXtjA/s1280/IMAG0046.jpg
and crank out:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Fog53gWM39E/Twy-BCH8ovI/AAAAAAAAAUM/uh_yqJEqRzM/s800/IMAG0047.jpg
Journals look good:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m7x0ckYeFU8/Twy-DYJ4akI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/wNSZsGMmm68/s800/IMAG0048.jpg
However I checked the end float before I pulled the crank out, and didn't need a dial gauge to measure it, more like a torch and a stopwatch.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jTHOAP-_vP4/Twy-E4vWrNI/AAAAAAAAAUc/dhVUQmy_caU/s720/IMAG0051.jpg
Oh dear:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9VQw7d7_BuI/Twy-FieVQFI/AAAAAAAAAU8/Bx4ilS4Wigc/s400/IMAG0052.jpg
Nommed a bearing good and proper:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VVS-3xBREoU/Twy-Id56dkI/AAAAAAAAAUw/zeavcny7vWQ/s720/IMAG0053.jpg
And bores look fairly good:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Yz1a6lZJbyA/Twy-ID_DmtI/AAAAAAAAAUs/D4YO3Q3f3Ws/s720/IMAG0054.jpg
Apart from :(:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g5ebBLDlhpg/Twy95OteAHI/AAAAAAAAATk/CJius9bW6i8/s1280/IMAG0056.jpg
Probably needs a new crank although I'll check what bearing oversizes are available, they're normally available in increments of thou not metres so I expect the crank is scrap, Bore wise I expect they are out of tolerance and I was really hoping to keep standard bottom end for now, as I'd like to go high comp forged pistons and rods eventually but can't afford it atm.
Might be new bottom end time. :(
gary_126
10-01-12, 11:12 PM
Had totally forgot about this car, good to see work has resumed!
Crank is well beyond dead, thrusts go nowhere near 2-3mm oversize and grinding thrust faces is expensive anyway, so on the lookout for a new bottom end.
Thinking about management too as we can get good discounts on DTA at group buy quantities through work, and that would make it a lot simpler to wire in, as well as free up a lot of horses and possibilities with a proper inlet etc.
Thats thrust marks in them bores,you wont hone them out.You will have to go oversize
Yeah that block will be put to one side for now. On the lookout for a full good condition bottom end, but I may just have to whore myself out around town see if I can stretch to management and pistons/rods etc now.
Bite the bullet and do it :)
Not sure I can afford the bullet let alone the dental work though lol Got a load of crap to stick on ebay, see what happens with that and other financial crap first.
Bo wikkedy management and carlos vandango pistons and rods without a decent block to put them in,and a fukked crank to attach them to?!
I love your prioritisation lol
Bo wikkedy management and carlos vandango pistons and rods without a decent block to put them in,and a fukked crank to attach them to?!
I love your prioritisation lol
Using this current bottom end would mean an overbore, which means pistons (and also makes it a decent block, nothing wrong with it besides the bores) Pistons means rods at the same time as the pins are press fit and 9 times out of 10 you will destroy the pistons removing the rods, so it makes it a nonsense activity to buy fancy pistons with the mindset of doing rods later. Crank would obviously be replaced, as said it's beyond dead.
Finding a new good bottom end circumvents the necessity for pistons/rods and this one can then be put to one side to work on as a complete swap at a later date.
Either way management is a good option for both power and ease.
SimonTW
19-01-12, 09:30 PM
I have a bare block from the engine I was looking to rebuild for my project. I am buying a fully built working engine now so got a full c16xe in bits in the garage. I have, but in bits, block, crank, pistons, end caps if you need any bits. Not sure if its in a suitable condition but can photograph any bits you need me too.
That's not a C16XE :p X18XE1, Z18XE bottom end is what I'm trying to source atm :)
Small update, not had any time to do anything on the car recently and no cash to buy up another engine but spent some time designing some bits this evening. Want to do away with the standard shifter and all the nonsense gubbings that does with it, and I don't fancy spending the cost of an engine rebuild on a quaife job, so came up with this:
Works a bit like this, actuating an arm at the bottom to get the required rotation on the shaft. No bolts in it as my solidworks toolbox has hidden itself somewhere.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BwOmQ0rcBuw/T1PaCb9khjI/AAAAAAAAAVs/UpyS_rK4gUY/s871/Shifter+2.jpg
Should look a bit like this when complete:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Krtp4pzpwjQ/T1PdVznlWzI/AAAAAAAAAV4/n_iLHwVKZQ8/s778/SHifter+1.jpg
Couple of universal joints quaife style to get around the rack and it should end up with a pretty short positive shift and bring the gearknob up towards steering wheel height. Will measure up the displacements to get into gears/rotation required and fettle the distances on the design before it's made up.
With ally rods in the shifter and ally output shaft, with a carbon rod bonded onto ally ends and a nylon gearknob, the whole assembly comes in about 1.7kg including rosejoints.
Hoping before the end of the month to have the underside and bay full stripped down and at least primered but depends how busy work is, currently we have about 10-12 project cars/engine builds in though. Also still need to finish bushing the BMW as I've not chance to get onto that either lol
Won't the throw of that comedy length shifter stick be enormous?
Not with the throw of the comedy length actuator arm set to compsenate, may end up making it a tad taller if needs be, just a basic idea to work from.
You will need to open teh sunroof to change gear! lol
Good idea in principle though - get one made and start selling them! (if they work of course!)
Look at Peester's, his looks similar
NOV4_SPORT
05-03-12, 11:49 AM
Looking good buddy keep up the good work hope you get the time to work on the nova with all the other projects taking up your time.
You will need to open teh sunroof to change gear! lol
Good idea in principle though - get one made and start selling them! (if they work of course!)
Cheeky lol
I was aiming for it to sit next to the steering wheel but admittedly just made an educated guess on the length at the moment :d Luckily it's a sunroof'd shell though so all will be fine. lol
As for selling them a full kit would be rather pricy I think, not finding many sources for good quality cheap UJ's, which unfortunately are needed to avoid the silly place Vauxhall put the rack!
I did look at Peester's as well tbh, but it's mainly based on a converted cav shifter that Iain showed me.
Look at SADev shifters for ultimate inspiration ;)
As far as I can tell they only seem to be suitable for sequential stuff? Unless there's some secret to how they twist the output shaft that I'm missing lol
As far as I can tell they only seem to be suitable for sequential stuff? Unless there's some secret to how they twist the output shaft that I'm missing lol
Sequentail yes, but also inspritanional to your theory too in the similiar "style" to what your after like.
Fair play, thought you'd bought me a sequential box though :(
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