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Yo, picked up a mk2 nova today :d 1.4 Luxe with 44k on the clock. pretty much solid apart from the doors :thumb: Will probably use the 1.4 in my mk1 but i think the water pumps gone in it :roll: Thanks to Stuart on here for the car :)
Anway the plan is to make it Rwd so i can use it for trackdays and such. maybe IVA it so its road legal but need to read up on it a bit more first. Shall be using a Sierra 4x4 for the floor pan. Seen a few novas/fiestas done like this and it seems like the best option to me. & i can get a 4x4 off a mate for £300 complete with rear LSD :p Not sure on engine yet, either Duratec or a cosworth if funds allow. Pictures..
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/?action=view¤t=45b46ac3.jpghttp://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/45b46ac3.jpg
Then got it home and started to strip it down a bit so i can take measurements for a jig:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0270.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0269.jpg
Back end shot reminds me of a lancia S4 lol
Hopefully shall have all the interior out tomorrow. which leaves the engine and box to be lifted out then all the drive train once i have made the jig to put the shell on :)
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/?action=view¤t=45b46ac3.jpg
very nice, I will be keeping an eye on this one!
Would the front window surrounds be for-sale?
very nice, I will be keeping an eye on this one!
Would the front window surrounds be for-sale?
Whole interior will be mate :)
Sounds a very interesting project :)
Good luck with it all
Sounds very interesting.
Nice spec duratec rwd would be good fun :thumb:
christurboo
25-06-11, 08:06 PM
double triple posts there lads
look good this mate get cracking, will it be wide arched or you going to try keep it looking like a nova? lol
The water pump is naffed on the 1.4? :( oops.... sorry.
Fast work on the stripping :)
Southie
25-06-11, 09:53 PM
Looking forward to reading your progress on this, I think iirc Taff on here has a rwd Nova but a 1.6, your other option is like chips I suppose.
Stuart, so your another non Nova owner on here like many of us lol
Had a nice little session on it tonight with myself and two mates. interior has been removed all the way to the front doors now :) Looks really tidy. Shame to cut it up.... (Pics tomorrow)
Doh, shame/pain the water pump was siezed :( I guess that comes from leaving her stood for so long.
sounds like she will come back to life with a bit of vigour :)
Not really bothered about the water pump mate, i bought it for the shell with the view of if everything else is usable, then its an added bonus :)
calibra-keith
26-06-11, 12:28 PM
looks a tidy motor you sure you want to cut up a firly good one with low miles ? sounds interesting good luck.
calibra-keith
26-06-11, 12:28 PM
looks a tidy motor you sure you want to cut up a firly good one with low miles ? sounds interesting good luck.
Yeah i did have second thoughts, but then i went out in my mates Ax VTR and it understeered like buggery in the wet so RWD is definately the way to go :thumb:
Pictures:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0271.jpg
Stripped out
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0277.jpg
Boot ready to be smoothed for my mk1
Cant really do alot more to it now untill i get the donor car, as it still has to be movable in and out of the workshop as i can only fit one car in :(
Well, finally got a donor car:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/271261_10150257736688701_617998700_7377836_5904299 _o.jpg
2.9 v6 4x4 Sierra :thumb: engine is only running on 5 atm but i got it bloody cheap so im not moaning :d goes well too. thinking of using the 12v 2.9 thats in it, or maybe a 24v 2.9 cossie v6 ? but with that much power i might aswell go 4wd...
Also decided that im not going to use the floor pan out of it but instead make my own wishbones and mount the diff in a carrier intergrated into the rollcage. will make it handle alot better, probably save a bit of weight and be alot stronger too
you could make use of the front & rear ends of the floorpan from the sierra. as scratch building front & rear suspension will be a stack of work. the lad in scotland who did the cossie powered nova van managed to use ford metal & it was pretty good.
It cant be that hard really, ive seen it done in other cars before + my dads mate has a kit car thing using sierra rear diff/shafts etc on wishbones so im sure i could take some measurements off that to help me a bit :) im going to keep the floor pan just incase anyway :)
most of these kits take std geometry & just mimic it with funky looking wishbones, but as you will be doing it to a proper bodyshell, you may as well use the ford stuff, its good for lots of power too.
It will handle like utter turd unless you know how to analyse the geometry properly, taking a few rough measurements off a totally different car won't even come close. You're better off going with something that's known, especially being ford stuff as there will be plenty of references for what works and what doesn't.
It will handle like utter turd unless you know how to analyse the geometry properly, taking a few rough measurements off a totally different car won't even come close.
Obviously, hence im doing alot research and reading up on it before Designing/making them. Never done anything like this before so im gonna take my time :thumb:
BRoadGhost
10-07-11, 09:46 PM
DON'T make it wide arch
It will handle like utter turd unless you know how to analyse the geometry properly, taking a few rough measurements off a totally different car won't even come close. You're better off going with something that's known, especially being ford stuff as there will be plenty of references for what works and what doesn't.
you cant possibly say that, he could quite easily luck out and get it cock on
DON'T make it wide arch
+1.
If you do though, let me know, Ive got some rather funky Mk1 wide arch moulds here lol
you cant possibly say that, he could quite easily luck out and get it cock on
He could also win the lottery, but I feel quite safe in saying he's not going to win the lottery this week too.
DON'T make it wide arch
Gonna have to, sierras track is a hell of a lot wider than a novas
+1.
If you do though, let me know, Ive got some rather funky Mk1 wide arch moulds here lol
How wide are they mate?
He could also win the lottery, but I feel quite safe in saying he's not going to win the lottery this week too.
Not gonna win, never buy a ticket :P
Made a start on stripping the sierra over the past few evenings,
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/266222_10150260664723701_617998700_7408707_8332811 _o.jpg
V6 Power :thumb:
Got rad & pipes/bonnet/lights/general crap thats in the way off ready to pull the engine out
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0281.jpg
Just leaves the loom to come out which i will do later as im having 5 at the moment lol
Also went too see my dads friend who has a kit car based on sierra/ford stuff. as personally i find it alot easier to get my head around things when there right infront of me rather than staring at a computer screen for hours haha. Took measurements of the wishbones/diff cage to give me a general idea of things. Took a few pics too:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSC01198.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSC01193.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSC01194.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSC01196.jpg
Linkage will be slightly different, rather than using polybushes at the cage end i will use heavy duty rose joints as it think there a hell of a lot better.
Any comments/Suggestions appreciated :)
How wide are they mate?
About 3 or 4 inch wider then normal lol
In regards to measurements don't forget the angles of the wishbones (both, they are unlikely to be equal), ride heights, upright dimensions and the size of wheels incl tyre, all will make a difference if you're copying it like for like.
In regards to measurements don't forget the angles of the wishbones (both, they are unlikely to be equal), ride heights, upright dimensions and the size of wheels incl tyre, all will make a difference if you're copying it like for like.
Im not copying it like for like, but i took the exact dimension E.G lengths, hieght, spaceing of mounts. Regarding ride hieght, im going to measure the hieght of the sierra from the bottom of the sills to the floor, then likewise with the diff. then set the nova sills to the same hieght & same with the diff Which should sort all the angles and that out and go from there with how im going to mount everything :)
BRoadGhost
16-07-11, 10:48 PM
Cut everything down.
What as in to keep it standard track?
The Simps
17-07-11, 12:59 AM
Good luck with it mate. Building a rwd nova myself (for about 3yrs now!). You're doing the right thing by doing lots of research etc. I spent ages looking at kit cars and kit car uprights, wishbone kits etc. In the end MK999 and his possie designed me a complete custome danglies rear end based around using mx5 uprights which are 4x100 so can use vauxhall wheels ;). For the fronts I was gonna to be using manta/chevette uprights and double wishbone the front too. I've now gone a slightly different route for personal reasons so I'm sure if you spoke to Mark (MK999) nicely he might let you look at his designs? It would be easy to alter it for a ford diff.
Good luck.
The Simps
17-07-11, 01:01 AM
Oh, happy to sell you my mx5 and manta uprights too! lol
What as in to keep it standard track?
and there is the single biggest impediment in your project..... the rear track of a nova is tiny, and if it is rwd, there is a risk that it will actually be very twitchy
How about fitting the rear subframe from a VX/Elise to get the rear suspension and then mount the diff in there :)
Rear track isnt 'huge' on them
i think the 3 series bmw is still a viable donor too
The Simps
17-07-11, 12:08 PM
There's only a couple of inches in an mx5 subframe.
Due to being Farmist & its harvest at work now ive had little time to do anything, but it rained today so me and my mate did this:
One front Xmember/Steering/struts removed:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/287236_10150282668178701_617998700_7620246_7795959 _o.jpg
&
One big hole in the engine bay:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/287377_10150282670858701_617998700_7620313_4759679 _o.jpg
Quite surprised how quickly we did it to be honest, Hopefully will be able to get the gearbox out and rear axle off next weekend & nick some relevant bits off the fuel tank. Then the fun starts with the nova shell :d
Forgot to say i picked up a 24v Cosworth v6 for it last weekend too :)
Bit of a wee update, got everything off the Ford POS that i wanted as and when as its been manic at work since july 24th :( Got the afternoon off today so i decided to clear the workshop up and play musical car parts between the workshop/garage :tard: so my dad can get his landrover in the workshop to do what needs doing to get it running :mad: shouldnt complain as its very useful for when i need to go pick parts up. anyway a few pictures, didnt take many as i was more interested in getting it done lol.
One slightly tidier workshop
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0313.jpg
Everything bar the two engines and rear beam in the new garage
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0314.jpg
And one Cosworth 24v BOB V6 :d
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0315.jpg
Starting to gather pieces for the roll cage now, ordered the main hoop/front legs/roof cross bracing from Roll center as its MSA spec material. Everythings going to be as MSA spec as possible now as my goal is to have it ready for the 2014 Knockalla hill climb. Hopefully should be another update before christmas with the roll cage welded in and a roll over jig made as i still have four weeks holiday to use at work :tard:
Cheers, jake. :)
Forgot to say i picked up a 24v Cosworth v6 for it last weekend too :)
Dire engine choice mate.
There lower power out put then GM 2.6 V6 with less torque also.
Dire engine choice mate.
There lower power out put then GM 2.6 V6 with less torque also.
Was cheap mate, also i dont think i will use this as the final engine. Would rather use a BOA with the BOB cams with some form of forced induction, been toying with the idea of a supercharger.. lots of money though :(
steviegsi
09-10-11, 09:06 AM
Does the bob not have a few more horses in the stable over the boa? What is the difference between the 2? ( sorry to clutter up your wip)
SimonTW
09-10-11, 09:06 AM
Might be worth picking up a copy of this. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-Own-Sports-Car/dp/1844253910/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318147376&sr=8-1
Gives all detailed plans for building the wishbones, hub carriers, diff mounts etc specifically for Sierra based builds. I used it to help with my kit car build. Also, if you just wanted to buy ready made parts just do a google search for haynes roadster parts.
Might be worth picking up a copy of this. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-Own-Sports-Car/dp/1844253910/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318147376&sr=8-1
Gives all detailed plans for building the wishbones, hub carriers, diff mounts etc specifically for Sierra based builds. I used it to help with my kit car build. Also, if you just wanted to buy ready made parts just do a google search for haynes roadster parts.
unfortunately that is pretty much the most terrible kitcar build going though :( it was the foundations for a lot of things but they all moved on lol
SimonTW
09-10-11, 09:28 AM
The pictures of that kit car posted a few pages back were all haynes roadster based hence the posting of the link.
Also were you on about the original book by Ron Champion? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-Sports-Little-Pounds/dp/1859606369) or the totally rewritten/redesigned one in the link i posted? As far as I knew MK/MNR and other locost spawned companies all used similar setups to the Haynes Roadster plans. My MK Indy only a few years ago most definately was. Granted, things might have changed in the last few years.
Does the bob not have a few more horses in the stable over the boa? What is the difference between the 2? ( sorry to clutter up your wip)
BOB has 210, not sure about the BOA but i know the wiring is simpler on it. BOB is the new engine, has the same cams as the YB engines (so im told anyway) and better heads on it i think. http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/24valve.htm
Might be worth picking up a copy of this. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-Own-Sports-Car/dp/1844253910/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318147376&sr=8-1
Gives all detailed plans for building the wishbones, hub carriers, diff mounts etc specifically for Sierra based builds. I used it to help with my kit car build. Also, if you just wanted to buy ready made parts just do a google search for haynes roadster parts.
Thought about buying that but as stuart said its a bit old, probably will buy it anyway. Been playing round a with a few different ford front hubs also. borrowed a mondeo one off a mate to see if the splines match up to the rear drive shaft ones, which they do. so im going to try my sierra front hubs on the rear shafts today, if they match up ill source another set and run front hubs all round meaning on the rear i can have top and bottom ball joints mounted off the wishbone which will make things a little easier to do :)
SimonTW
09-10-11, 11:53 AM
The book I'm refering to was only written/published in 2007. The older one which was the Escort based book was written back when you could buy a Ford Escort Mk2 for £50 is useless though.
If you use a front hub carrier on the rear end and have a fixed tie bar connect to where the steering rod was connected too. Won't this then create bump steer on the rear end?
No not really as the hub will be fixed wont it
EDIT: right been and checked to see if the sierra front hub will match with the rear drive shaft which it wont as the hub is too small. So going to need to find what fwd/4wd fords have 30mm 28spline front hubs, which will then match up properly to my shafts.
Slight update but not really.
This turned up today:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0350.jpg
And on the suspension front ive decided not to Use front hubs/Lobros on the rear i will just use the rear hubs and make my own carrier, Seems to be the best way to go Performance/Money wise.
just explain what it is you are doing with different rear hubs please... surely the stock sierra back axle, possibly narrowed if needed will be a good enough way to put the power down. there will be an hgv propshaft company in your area that would shorten stuff cheaply
Theyre staying standard length mate, after measuring the track then Emailing a few companys about theyre Widearch kits, so long as i use FWD offset rims the wheels wont stick out of the arches. Wheels shouldnt be a problem as ive decided to get some Wellers made up :) and this is what i mean by my own backing plate for the hubs: http://www.mnrltd.co.uk/std-rear-uprights.jpg
Hubs bolt to them four holes & then the wishbones are mounted off the Top/Bottom brackets if you get me?
i will watch with interest. i have a morris marina axle in my shed that has a 3.74 diff, it is just about right for a rwd nova, if i ever managed one... the pcd would also be a doddle to alter... before anyone says they are crap... a lot of sevens have them fitted.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0365.jpg
Getting rather empty now, next job is to get all the heater matrix out & Rollcage in, put the hoop in tonight to see what its like & its a bloody tight fit, perfect!
The Simps
05-11-11, 11:08 PM
I looked into those uprights but decided it against it in the end as I was advised the design is ultimately crap. PM MK999 he might be able to tell you more. I looked into so many different ways of doing and I still think using mazda mx5 stuff is a good way to go. The stuff is really cheap and same offset as vaux so can keep vauxhall wheels. Both front and rear are on subframes that are almost perfect size for a nova with only a little shortening needed which is quite simple. MX5s handle very well too. So all you would have to do is custom engine mounts and either make the ford diff fit or use the mazda and mate the 2 halts of the prop.
You're not actually that far from me either. I think I still have some rear uprights, lower wishbones and driveshafts in my shed that are now surplus if you wanted to take a look at them?
Front subframe...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/22.gif
Rear Subframe...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/23.gif
Rear with measurements...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/MX5top.jpg
I hope you don't see my words as criticism, I'm just trying to help as I done all the research you're now doing around 2-3yrs ago.
:thumb:
actually went near it today!
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/bodmin344/DSCF0390.jpg
Ready for engine out tomorrow :d then onto making a roll over jig..
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