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Fatal road crash - reading/berkshire
involving a vauxhall nova - no one from here I hope
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2091628_appeal_for_witnesses_to_fatal_road_crash
update
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2091658_two_arrested_over_fatal_collision
General Baxter
24-04-11, 06:12 PM
just listened to the news, some other 18 year old's are in hospital up here in birmingham
im getting sick to death of pricks who cant even crontrol a car, age 17 to 20, you must have an adult (25+) must be with you all times, simple, it would all stop
sorry im having a mardy and a sugar rush
I would imagine if it substainally modified they probably are registered on here....
its just bad news... nova or not.... any young lad, whatever happened on this occasion, dying like this is a terrible waste.
I would imagine if it substainally modified they probably are registered on here....
I've seen a couple around reading before that looked like they wouldn't last 2 minutes on here and by the sounds of that news thing the 106 and nova were racing and took out someone in an astra imo. (purely speculation on my part mind)
please, can we have some respect for the dead & not speculate as to what happened
its just bad news... nova or not.... any young lad, whatever happened on this occasion, dying like this is a terrible waste.
well said mowgli,
The amount of roadside tributes around here is unreal..
Most involving young drivers..
It's just sad...
Baxter, what makes you think that he's a "prick who cant even crontrol a car"? there is nothing in that report to suggest they were messing about, for all you know, it might have been caused by some old codger leaning over for another werthers.
Would you say the same if it was your best mate/brother/son? A young lad has died, and whatever the circumstances, its a terrible waste. show some ****ing respect.
Thoughts are with the lads family, wouldn't want that on anyone
24sevenslacker
24-04-11, 07:47 PM
it depends, i wouldnt say that all 17-20 year old drivers are idiots, iv got some mates my age (20) who drive like absolute dicks, some who are 25-26 who drive like absolute dicks, but then theres others who dont, i choose not to drive like a tit because i really dont see the point in potentially losing your life just to go fast, but then you could say what if somebody comes round the corner out of control and hits you. its just luck.
NOV4_SPORT
24-04-11, 08:08 PM
Bad times no matter what happened its the family and friends I feel for sorry to hear about this
Iain
Baxter, what makes you think that he's a "prick who cant even crontrol a car"? there is nothing in that report to suggest they were messing about, for all you know, it might have been caused by some old codger leaning over for another werthers.
Would you say the same if it was your best mate/brother/son? A young lad has died, and whatever the circumstances, its a terrible waste. show some ****ing respect.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lewis. again.
He is Right Baxter, I know more unsafe older drivers than young ones! And with out any facts you have know wright to judge any anybody!
Age means feck all, I know of some uber 21 year olds that drive like saints, Yet I know a lot of over 25's that drive like noobs.
But this thread isn't about bitching, Its a loss of life and without knowing the facts, Its stupid to presume the young driver was a sterotypical noob.
Thoughts are with the family etc, Sad when anybody dies.
A friend of mine killed himself in a car accident
He was angry coz he had an argument with his gf and the Police reckoned he wasnt paying attention. His car went off the road, flipped over and burst into flames. I just hope he died instantly
This was nearly 8 years ago and I still think about it every time I drive past where it happened.
I moan like anyone else about the way some people drive but getting killed in an incident like that; well id never wish that on my worst enemy.
Just hope that people learn from others (possible) mistakes
Sad times when things like this happen, One of my mates was killed last year in car accident and as hayley said id never wish it on anyone.
nova_saloon
24-04-11, 09:34 PM
First of all, its a terrible waste of life and an utter shame. But saying all under 17-21 year olds are all idiots is just not the right words. more lacking in experience. i have a mate who 21 and has spun and crashed his car 5 times in a year and hes a pleb and doesnt want to learn from his mistakes clearly!. me on the other hand i drive my xe nova like a granny. i drive it in 5th at 30-40 everywhere and im 21 always have done.
Plus if someone has a crash you cant just say "couldnt control the car"
I had a crash few years back that i could do NOTHING about.........
TeddyThom
24-04-11, 09:45 PM
it depends, i wouldnt say that all 17-20 year old drivers are idiots, iv got some mates my age (20) who drive like absolute dicks, some who are 25-26 who drive like absolute dicks, but then theres others who dont, i choose not to drive like a tit because i really dont see the point in potentially losing your life just to go fast, but then you could say what if somebody comes round the corner out of control and hits you. its just luck.
Or the lack of luck...
Sad times when someone dies in a crash, although I find it mildy amusing when people hear the age of said driver and automatically assume shizzle...
nova_saloon
24-04-11, 09:49 PM
Or the lack of luck...
Sad times when someone dies in a crash, although I find it mildy amusing when people hear the age of said driver and automatically assume shizzle...
discrimination against the younger.!! got pulled the other day. cop said well i pulled you because of your age and its a nova. usually people dont insure these things
TeddyThom
24-04-11, 09:52 PM
Agreed.
Surprisingly, I don't get pulled as often as I thought I would. Not like yesterday anyways. Copper pulled me over saying Iw as weaving all over the place a bit. Wasn't sure if I was DUI or the age of the car, spoke to me like a human and was actually quite pleasant to deal with. Checked the nova over, and was happy.
nova_saloon
24-04-11, 09:54 PM
see the thing is ive been pulled over a fair few times and every time the have always been quite nice to be fair one had a giggle with me as he said i thought i was in for a chase for you
TeddyThom
24-04-11, 10:00 PM
lol, one time I got pulled over he called in over the radio to check it out, and then turned round and said "I couldn't tell you what colour it is" seeing as it needs a respray!!
paddy quinn
24-04-11, 11:07 PM
Baxter, what makes you think that he's a "prick who cant even crontrol a car"? there is nothing in that report to suggest they were messing about, for all you know, it might have been caused by some old codger leaning over for another werthers.
Would you say the same if it was your best mate/brother/son? A young lad has died, and whatever the circumstances, its a terrible waste. show some ****ing respect.that shut him up for once
24sevenslacker
24-04-11, 11:11 PM
Or the lack of luck...
Sad times when someone dies in a crash, although I find it mildy amusing when people hear the age of said driver and automatically assume shizzle...
my mate ash, hes 27, i was in his car before and he started pulling the handbrake on roundabouts in traffic, its usually because the younger kids are excited that they have passed their test, but the novelty wears off after a while. for some anyway
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 09:56 AM
Yeah I heard the other day some young kid had passed his test and went flying up a road near me, it's quite bumpy in places with a bit of weird camber as well, and if you get it wrong at speed it's a nightmare, I hit that bit doing 55-60 and the nova bounced all over the place like it was gonna do something stupid. Luckily enough I just let off and let it ride it out, by the sounds of things, this kid didn't have a clue as he went through two brick walls. Not sure how injured he was if at all, but it goes to show swings and roundabouts... That's why young drivers get a bad name, it's the old "look at me I have a car now" and all the mates egg you on etc, and then you look like a right idiot because you have screwed it up. Nothing wrong with driving like a grandma for the first couple of weeks, til you know roughly what the car is like, then you can gradually speed things up. Then if you decide to go for it like a bat out of hell, you have a rough idea of what you are doing. Worked for me, I'm yet to have an accident due to speed, however I do kiss my St Christopher everytime I get in the bloody nova!!! lol
Another point to consider is that young & new drivers have access to more powerful cars at cheaper prices than (for instance) the mid-80s, when I passed my test..
I worked my way through two Mk2 1.1 Escorts before I got my 1.6 Ghia, a year after I passed mine..
It was four years before I got my first 'proper' hot hatch (XR2) and I like to think that by then I'd matured into a pretty sensible driver..
Being a mechanic, my job depended on having a licence, so there was some incentive..
That's not to say many of these accidents are caused by powerful or modded cars, some. are, some aren't, but it is something to think about..
actually given the insurance on a 1.2i nova for a lad that works at my local factors is just over £2000, I would say that restricts it rather than the price of the cars now, there are however some that will pay that. There's someone on the forum paying something like 5k for a GTE/GSi
Yeah, but back in the day (even when I first passed in the late 90s), it was a case of "we won't insure you on that car", not "ok we'll do it but for £5k" thing.
When you consider that the equivalent of that Corsa would have been around £6-800 to insure for a 17 year old back then, the GTE would no doubt have been in the £1500-2k range if the same price spread applied
The range of performance cars available was also far less back in the early/mid 80s too..
ah fair enough, I even got quotes for some ridiculous cars when I last tried at 25k+
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 12:12 PM
Yeah, but back in the day (even when I first passed in the late 90s), it was a case of "we won't insure you on that car", not "ok we'll do it but for £5k" thing.
Should still do that, especially if you get some spoilt brat who daddy loves dearly...
actually given the insurance on a 1.2i nova for a lad that works at my local factors is just over £2000, I would say that restricts it rather than the price of the cars now, there are however some that will pay that. There's someone on the forum paying something like 5k for a GTE/GSi
Thats me, and its not a GSI its a 1.0L Trip, il paying £4800 a year, its dayliught robbery! but i do have 3 points (LC20 Driving otherwise in accordance with licence) on my Licence at the age of 17
Should still do that, especially if you get some spoilt brat who daddy loves dearly...
But Parents should really know better when choosing a 1st car for their kids,when they taught them to ride their bikes would they have had stabilisers fitted to a CR500?? Exactly....
Thats me, and its not a GSI its a 1.0L Trip, il paying £4800 a year, its dayliught robbery! but i do have 3 points (LC20 Driving otherwise in accordance with licence) on my Licence at the age of 17
You pay £4800 to be insured on a Vauxhall Nova?
You want your head testing.
I'd never pay more than £8/900 out on insurance,no way.
£4800 thats £92.30 a WEEK!,plus tax/mot and fuel to drive a Nova!!
Thats dedication..........isnt it?!!:wtf: :tard:
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 12:27 PM
But Parents should really know better when choosing a 1st car for their kids,when they taught them to ride their bikes would they have had stabilisers fitted to a CR500?? Exactly....
But clearly you haven't realised the human race is doomed through stupidity lol
You pay £4800 to be insured on a Vauxhall Nova?
You want your head testing.
I'd never pay more than £8/900 out on insurance,no way.
£4800 thats £92.30 a WEEK!,plus tax/mot and fuel to drive a Nova!!
Thats dedication..........isnt it?!!:wtf: :tard:
Proper dedication...
You pay £4800 to be insured on a Vauxhall Nova?
You want your head testing.
I'd never pay more than £8/900 out on insurance,no way.
£4800 thats £92.30 a WEEK!,plus tax/mot and fuel to drive a Nova!!
Thats dedication..........isnt it?!!:wtf: :tard:
Andy that's part of being young, Dave isn't exactly in a great area either (In insurance eyes anyway).
A mate of mine paid £3,000 on a 94 1.2i Corsa, even with one of the best postcodes, feck all miles and having parents on it as named drivers.
MattBrown
25-04-11, 12:29 PM
Always sad to hear.
Astra GSI turbos seem to be young lads cars round here, at 18 a lads paying £2300 and another at 20 is paying £1100.
Also them 106 GTIs, theyre a quick car, granted not turbo nova quick, but at 18 thats a fair car to handle!
Its always a shame to hear of this, and a bigger shame for people to shout there mouths off about someone whos just died:(
Andy that's part of being young, Dave isn't exactly in a great area either (In insurance eyes anyway).
A mate of mine paid £3,000 on a 94 1.2i Corsa, even with one of the best postcodes, feck all miles and having parents on it as named drivers.
I just find it staggering that young people pay it,youngers dont NEED cars.
I managed just fine on a Honda 90 til i could afford to drive,£15 a year tax,£285 to insure, and next to fukk all to fill the tank which lasted forever.
Yeah your not cool but your cooler than your skint mates who are wearing snide aftershaves and smoking snide cigs,while driving around on fumes cos their insurance costs so much.
Curtoise
25-04-11, 12:39 PM
yeah andy you may say you wouldnt pay more than 800-900, but when your 17/18 or 19 a car is freedom to do what you want, and most people will pay alot for it, im paying 1800 on a corsa gsi, and i think thats dam reasonable seeing as when i was 18 i payed 3k for a corsa sport!
back to the point of rtc's they are always very very sad but nobody can really judge. everyone must of had a point in a car when they over cooked it and lost controll, and its just down to luck if you come out okay really.
i remember last summer when i had my 1.3sr and i just got more confident with it because it was just so fun to drive and i had never had a crash before, untill this one time i came round these s bends and there was tree sap all over the floor and the back end stepped out, i managed to conrtoll this and thought "jesus that could have been bad"
but then two weeks later i lost the back end again and rolled in 4 times down a bank and into the field, my mate was in the car egging me on down some back roads and i remember vividly the back end coming out on a narrow back road and then trees smashing the windscreen, was the most scared i have ever been and i just thought "im so stupid" to risk my life for abit of fun,
luckily me and my friend crawled out and were completely fine but now i cant get in anyone elses car only my good friends and when they start driving quick i get out and would rather walk.......
Angus Closier
25-04-11, 05:35 PM
Should still do that, especially if you get some spoilt brat who daddy loves dearly...
Jealous much??
Lets not judge people for what car the old dears buy them....Thats just childish. At the end of the day If I had the money, My children would be in the newest car possible. NOT somthing thats going to fold around them into a tiny ball like most 80's rot box's do.
I know 99% of people would dream to be given a nice car by daddy, dont pretend you wouldnt and also dont judge others who do get given the chance!
mk1nova_rich
25-04-11, 05:43 PM
You pay £4800 to be insured on a Vauxhall Nova?
You want your head testing.
I'd never pay more than £8/900 out on insurance,no way.
£4800 thats £92.30 a WEEK!,plus tax/mot and fuel to drive a Nova!!
Thats dedication..........isnt it?!!:wtf: :tard:
+1
I could never justify paying that sort of money for insuring any car, never mind a Nova :wtf: as much as I hate public transport and walking lol
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 06:01 PM
Jealous much??
Lets not judge people for what car the old dears buy them....Thats just childish. At the end of the day If I had the money, My children would be in the newest car possible. NOT somthing thats going to fold around them into a tiny ball like most 80's rot box's do.
I know 99% of people would dream to be given a nice car by daddy, dont pretend you wouldnt and also dont judge others who do get given the chance!
Major lol.
No I'm not jealous. Not by a long shot. I'd prefer to have my own car, paid for by me, worked hard to get it by me. It's appreciated a lot more. And I know how to treat it, if I break I have to fix it. And find out how much it will hurt the wallet. Then I'll (in theory lol) go more careful next time... If daddy was to buy me one, it will simply be a case of daddy will get it fixed. Not good parenting in my opinion, won't teach you the value of things. I certainly wouldn't want my dad to buy me a car, he hasn't a clue what I like and don't like. Even if I went with him, I still wouldn't do it. I prefer to work on my own independant, from my parents. Granted they help when I ask for it, but generally, I'm a free spirit.
And I wasn't judging people by what cars mummy/daddy buy them, a considerable portion just don't appreciate it, like I would if I went and bought it myself with my hard earned cash. If someone gets the chance and looks after it like they bought it themselves, fair play.
And the comment was mainly aimed at insurance, not at who crashes or not to be fair.
Angus Closier
25-04-11, 06:16 PM
Major lol.
No I'm not jealous. Not by a long shot. I'd prefer to have my own car, paid for by me, worked hard to get it by me. It's appreciated a lot more. And I know how to treat it, if I break I have to fix it. And find out how much it will hurt the wallet. Then I'll (in theory lol) go more careful next time... If daddy was to buy me one, it will simply be a case of daddy will get it fixed. Not good parenting in my opinion, won't teach you the value of things. I certainly wouldn't want my dad to buy me a car, he hasn't a clue what I like and don't like. Even if I went with him, I still wouldn't do it. I prefer to work on my own independant, from my parents. Granted they help when I ask for it, but generally, I'm a free spirit.
And I wasn't judging people by what cars mummy/daddy buy them, a considerable portion just don't appreciate it, like I would if I went and bought it myself with my hard earned cash. If someone gets the chance and looks after it like they bought it themselves, fair play.
And the comment was mainly aimed at insurance, not at who crashes or not to be fair.
My dad gave me a 04 polo......I didnt ask for it nor really wanted it, but He did so I was thankful for this and treat it with respect, he wont fix it etc but it was safer than any other car I could get my hands on. This also gave me the ablility to buy a second car of my own which I paid for built/etc etc etc so I have might respect for both....However I pay for insurance as he to him that is somthing that if he gives me It wont pretect/teach me anything.
Just a heads up not to jump to conclusions about people etc.
However I know where your coming from and I do know lots of very spoilt children but not all people who get given stuff take them for granted/ruin them.
My parents bought my first car..
It was £175...
brainsnova
25-04-11, 06:28 PM
I bought my first car lucky it was a 1.3 sr lol
Thats me, and its not a GSI its a 1.0L Trip, il paying £4800 a year, its dayliught robbery! but i do have 3 points (LC20 Driving otherwise in accordance with licence) on my Licence at the age of 17
Actually it was someone else, on a GTE/GSi and over 5k like I said http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1836709&postcount=3
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 07:20 PM
My dad gave me a 04 polo......I didnt ask for it nor really wanted it, but He did so I was thankful for this and treat it with respect, he wont fix it etc but it was safer than any other car I could get my hands on. This also gave me the ablility to buy a second car of my own which I paid for built/etc etc etc so I have might respect for both....However I pay for insurance as he to him that is somthing that if he gives me It wont pretect/teach me anything.
Just a heads up not to jump to conclusions about people etc.
However I know where your coming from and I do know lots of very spoilt children but not all people who get given stuff take them for granted/ruin them.
If you treat it like you bought it etc then all is well :thumb:
I did say a majority, not everyone.
MK1_Ben
25-04-11, 07:21 PM
I just find it staggering that young people pay it,youngers dont NEED cars.
I'm 19, live in the Countryside, about 20 miles from the nearest proper town (also where I work), 7ish from the nearest shop. I NEED my car.
I have a clean license, mother as named driver etc and I'm paying £2.2k a year fully comp with the extras (legal, breakdown cover etc) for a G Reg, 1.2 Carb Merit...
I have several friends in Corsa C's in which the lowest quote they can get is about 2.5k a year...
mk1nova_rich
25-04-11, 07:25 PM
My dad gave me a 04 polo......I didnt ask for it nor really wanted it, but He did so I was thankful for this and treat it with respect, he wont fix it etc but it was safer than any other car I could get my hands on. This also gave me the ablility to buy a second car of my own which I paid for built/etc etc etc so I have might respect for both....However I pay for insurance as he to him that is somthing that if he gives me It wont pretect/teach me anything.
Just a heads up not to jump to conclusions about people etc.
However I know where your coming from and I do know lots of very spoilt children but not all people who get given stuff take them for granted/ruin them.
I sort of see what you're saying...BUT if I was a parent I would never buy my offspring a car. Maybe its the way I've been brought up, but I've always believed if you want something you should work for it
Angus Closier
25-04-11, 07:35 PM
I sort of see what you're saying...BUT if I was a parent I would never buy my offspring a car. Maybe its the way I've been brought up, but I've always believed if you want something you should work for it
I would say yes its how your brought up but just because you might get given somthing doesnt mean you wont treat it as your own? The need for me to have a car is huge, where i live there are no bus's it would would take 45 min minimum to get to the nearest town on a ped so a car is a must for work......anyway i was just saying you dont have to be stuckup/unthankful/uncareing etc just because you got given somthing of worth
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 08:04 PM
I sort of see what you're saying...BUT if I was a parent I would never buy my offspring a car. Maybe its the way I've been brought up, but I've always believed if you want something you should work for it
+rep.
I have been brought up the same way. I'm not knocking it if someone gets given a car, imo they won't treat it the same way as if they worked hard for it, and bought it themselves...
Very sad for anyone to lose a life in a road accident, I always think it must be one of the worst ways to go, and it is always premature, sympathy for any friends or family this has ever happened too, regardless of whoose fault.
Now, some opinions on why this all happens..........
I once lost control of a Nova on a roundabout, at fairly low speed, spun 180. Later in the afternoon there was a warning on the radio thta a petrol lorry had had a spill on the roundabout. Not always the drivers fault....
We all rememeber being young, lack of experience, not quite knwoing where the limits are on cars/roadsurfaces/tyres etc and also, always after a bit of fun and excitement.
Modern cars i think are worse, some are actually faster than you realise because you sit high, power steering does not give you proper feedback for the limit on steering and people have a mentality that because they have ABS they can go faster and brake later. 50 mph in a mini feels like 80 mph in Corsa.
Why don't they make cars young people are attracted too feel faster and have the gears closer so they can rev without actually going at too fast a speed? The fact is far too many young people are killed so should the manufacturers not have a responsibility in the cars they market to these people?
I did the iAM 6 months after my test, I advise it to everyone also....I advise anyone who likes fast driving to have a go on an 8 track etc where they can go a bit wild, get it out your system in the sfaest way (although I have never really gotten it out of my system)
Truth be told we are all guilty the odd time of chancing it a bit or that uncertain overtake etc, sadly accidents happen but there is no need to be blaming/speculating on dead people (somebody's broither/sister/child) untill the fact are known. Would you like people to be doing that if it were a relative of yours? Don't mean to be harsh but it is tragic.
Angus Closier
25-04-11, 09:09 PM
+rep.
I have been brought up the same way. I'm not knocking it if someone gets given a car, imo they won't treat it the same way as if they worked hard for it, and bought it themselves...
Yes due to you never being in the situation.....I can tell you Id have my pants down if i didnt treat it properly....I personally have enough self respect and respect for my father that I treat it like my own? Is that so hard to belive? Its no different to them giving you a birthday present, You wouldnt go and distroy that just because somone else gave it to you? (unless your a baby or somthing like that then these things happenlol )
Sad to hear life was lost :(
here's my 2p worth.
If i can afford, when my daughter is 17, she will be getting in the safest car i can afford for her. When you are a parent your outlook on life changes completely :) When i was 17 i saved hard for my first car (nova) only to crash it anyway.
Angus Closier
25-04-11, 10:22 PM
Sad to hear life was lost :(
here's my 2p worth.
If i can afford, when my daughter is 17, she will be getting in the safest car i can afford for her. When you are a parent your outlook on life changes completely :) When i was 17 i saved hard for my first car (nova) only to crash it anyway.
Rep added.
People who treat the road like race track deserve what's coming to them tbh its a shame people who respect the roads end up getting hurt.
TeddyThom
25-04-11, 11:11 PM
Yes due to you never being in the situation.....I can tell you Id have my pants down if i didnt treat it properly....I personally have enough self respect and respect for my father that I treat it like my own? Is that so hard to belive? Its no different to them giving you a birthday present, You wouldnt go and distroy that just because somone else gave it to you? (unless your a baby or somthing like that then these things happenlol )
To be fair, I didn't want to be in that situation, I've been brought up to think that if you want something that badly, work hard for it, and you will get it, then you will appreciate it a lot more than if someone else bought it for you, obviously there will be exceptions to the rule, always is.
I didn't say everyone is the same, I said IMO that most people who have something like a car bought for them (at a young age like 17/18) wouldn't appreciate it like they would if they bought it themselves. You can look at your car and say to yourself "I got this, I worked for it, this is one of my achievements in life" ok granted it might not be a fantastic change the world kind of achievement, but you get that sort of mentality in your head then you'll have it for life, if you treat what you get given with respect then fair play, I'm not trying to tar everyone with the same brush. So no it's not that hard to believe. If your dad has been good enough to sort you out a car then fair play, if you treat it with the same respect that you would as if you bought it yourself, then you set a trend that others in the same boat should follow.
24sevenslacker
25-04-11, 11:22 PM
sometimes the whole save for it you respect it thing fails as well, one of my mates has a newish fiesta what he paid 5k, he spent 2k on a new paint job and probably another 1500 on mods and bodywork, yet he has already been banned 1nce, he has regained his licence, he has a further 3 points and he has had his car taken off of him twice, all for racing other cars and generally driving like a div. i think he recently had a feature in a mag too.
My parents bought my first car..
It was £175...
What does that equate to in todays money? lol :p
Modern cars i think are worse, some are actually faster than you realise because you sit high, power steering does not give you proper feedback for the limit on steering and people have a mentality that because they have ABS they can go faster and brake later. 50 mph in a mini feels like 80 mph in Corsa.
Very true; my GT4 always felt a lot slower than the Nova purely for the fact it could be doing 70 (and possibly above) without you even realising it. Where as the Nova felt like it was going fast at anything above 30 lol
I sort of see what you're saying...BUT if I was a parent I would never buy my offspring a car. Maybe its the way I've been brought up, but I've always believed if you want something you should work for it
You expect a 17 year old to have £5k to spend on insurance? When I was 17, I was working part time whilst at college. The only people who could have stretched to that kinda money were the ones who scragged college off in favour of working full time in Asda or wherever. Guess what, 12 years later, they're still working full time in Asda lol
Having your parents assist you with a car purchase isn't wrong, especially with the costs of car ownership these days - you can't work a saturday job for £200 a month and run a car. Its how blasé some people can be about it thats the problem, and its not just car ownership that they demonstrate that (although, its probably one of the better examples). I have a fair share of acquantances who get mummy and daddy to throw everything at them on a plate, but I also have a load of friends who make do and get by as best they can with what they have, or were given.
This is going wildly off topic, and no gay references yet either. Or does that count lol
C0ck in hairy a$$
Is that gay enough for you ? :d
mk1nova_rich
26-04-11, 09:22 AM
No I don't expect a 17 year old to be able to afford £5k insurance...I expect them to use other means of transport til they can lol my parents couldn't have afforded that for me either. A car is not a necessity for the majority of people, just makes life easier. I had to work for nearly 2 years full time before I could afford a car. If I'd chosen to stay in education then not having a car would have been a sacrifice I'd have had to make.
I'm not criticising anyone, just pointing out that sometimes in life you can't afford everything you want so you learn to do without :thumb:
Jack: £175 in today's money?
Got the car in '85 (1985; I know I'm getting on a bit, but by then the wheel had been invented, etc)..
So, £175 in 85?
Must be an economics expert on here could convert it to the penny for 2011..
I couldn't of had a job at 17 if I didn't have a car, I deffo wouldn't be in my current job if I didn't have a car at 17, I'd be working in a supermarket working for 50p's, or being a jobless bum.
i think i'm going to look at a little daewoo for my eldest daughter for when she passes her test.... there is just no way to get it to go fast....... either that or a moggie minor... cool, fun to drive, slow as a slow thing..... yup.... and also cheap as chips to insure..... & mend
Hoochie
26-04-11, 02:03 PM
No I don't expect a 17 year old to be able to afford £5k insurance...I expect them to use other means of transport til they can lol my parents couldn't have afforded that for me either. A car is not a necessity for the majority of people, just makes life easier. I had to work for nearly 2 years full time before I could afford a car. If I'd chosen to stay in education then not having a car would have been a sacrifice I'd have had to make.
I'm not criticising anyone, just pointing out that sometimes in life you can't afford everything you want so you learn to do without :thumb:
I agree 100% with this^^^^, my son is 13 and car mad, but he is a prize chav in the making and recons he could drive better than me or Sturge, i have told him point blank i will not help in any way to get him on the road, if he wants a car then he finds the funds to do so, he does have an account with almost 4k in it but he cannot touch it till he is 16, and then i think i'm going to invest it into an ISA till he's 19 and hopefully a bit more sensible..... My parents were exactly the same with me and this is how i was brought up, i'm aware i'm a lot older than most on here but i genuinely think youngsters these days just get too much and life made easy by parents... :0)
i won't help my kids much financially with cars.. there are such things as jobs.. the missus will probably saddle me with even more debt to get some shiny thing.. but public transport & bikes got me thru till i had a real job & bought a car & insured it.
i think i'm going to look at a little daewoo for my eldest daughter for when she passes her test.... there is just no way to get it to go fast....... either that or a moggie minor... cool, fun to drive, slow as a slow thing..... yup.... and also cheap as chips to insure..... & mend
There are some pretty funky Matizs out there with some way out BHP...
Southie
26-04-11, 04:18 PM
There are some pretty funky Matizs out there with some way out BHP...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/slideshow/corvette_matiz/corvette_matiz_2.jpg
update.
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2091658_two_arrested_over_fatal_collision
strange the road where it happened is a dead end, i can only think they were racing.
MattBrown
26-04-11, 08:00 PM
I agree 100% with this^^^^, my son is 13 and car mad, but he is a prize chav in the making and recons he could drive better than me or Sturge, i have told him point blank i will not help in any way to get him on the road, if he wants a car then he finds the funds to do so, he does have an account with almost 4k in it but he cannot touch it till he is 16, and then i think i'm going to invest it into an ISA till he's 19 and hopefully a bit more sensible..... My parents were exactly the same with me and this is how i was brought up, i'm aware i'm a lot older than most on here but i genuinely think youngsters these days just get too much and life made easy by parents... :0)
Take him karting.
Also take an 11 year old kadet racing girl down.
Laugh brutally in his face when he gets beaten by an 11 year old girl!
I do however understand what your going through with your son, a friends brother is exactly the same:(
MattBrown
26-04-11, 08:02 PM
i think i'm going to look at a little daewoo for my eldest daughter for when she passes her test.... there is just no way to get it to go fast....... either that or a moggie minor... cool, fun to drive, slow as a slow thing..... yup.... and also cheap as chips to insure..... & mend
Its not your daughter you have to worry about, its some tosser hitting her.
Id go for as big a car as possible, 5 door mk4 astra?
Volvo? etc
problem is though, learner/new driver in a big car = ding central
MattBrown
26-04-11, 09:51 PM
problem is though, learner/new driver in a big car = ding central
I dunno? After 3 weeks of having a liscence I drove works flat bed sprinter?
But personally I don't feel safe in the gfs mums matiz.
But personally I don't feel safe in the gfs mums matiz.
Do you feel cold and unconscious in a Nova then? Because it's probably about 6 NCAP stars above that lol
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