Vtec in a nova it can't be done.... Or can it?!?

[rallypvc]

*Update vid link now on page 10*


Hi right where do I start I began a project trying to fit a b16 Honda vtec into my nova about 18months ago during that time ive had some financial problems which brought the whole build to a totally stand still.

Now though I'm back on my feet and happy to report thing are flying along!

Early pics and reasons for this choice can be found in the link below these pic and comments were all befor money probs got bad

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143445&page=10

Since then a new better paid job resulting in a massive cash injection to the project have bought it along in leaps and bounds. I know people don't like these kinds of posts without "evidence" so I'll be back at the garage working on the Sunday and will take lots of up to date "evidential" photos lol

I know some people are vauxhall through and through and sorry if the pics of a Honda engine in a nova upset you but I also have a passion for vauxhalls but I also like pushing boundarys having said that I am open to criticism and don't mind the odd insult lol

Any hope you like what you see and I'll report back soon with up to date pics and info

Cheers for looking Ant

[Connor]

Glad to see thatr its back on track, i remember that thread, all those haters hating then once you put the pics up there was silence lol.
Amazing work so far, looking forward to seeing it finished ;)

[rallypvc]

Found a way to get the pics off my iPhone to photo bucket so here we go!!

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/1f698142.jpg

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[rallypvc]

Glad to see thatr its back on track, i remember that thread, all those haters hating then once you put the pics up there was silence lol.
Amazing work so far, looking forward to seeing it finished ;)


Looking forward to it myself :)

[shanemc]

Nice project, well done! What gearbox are you using?

[Mieran]

You've been Nova'vtec'taken lol

Interesting project :thumb:

[rallypvc]

This shows how much wider the front is standard gsi wing standard gsi wheel

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/c0f2f50f.jpg

[rallypvc]

Nice project, well done! What gearbox are you using?


Ek9 type r box with kaaz LSD and was 4.4 final drive then went with 4.7 final drive but changed to 4.928

[bainyboy sr]

i was very tempted to do this to mine as i have a 97 civic vti b16a lying in my garage , alot of hard work cant wait to see this finished

[shed-on-wheels]

that wiring looks um tastey

[shanemc]

This shows how much wider the front is standard gsi wing standard gsi wheel

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/c0f2f50f.jpg

Why is the track so wide, what suspension are you running?

[Derick-Sport]

Vtec just kicked in YO, that looks awesome dude will be a winner when its up and running

[Andy]

well done mate,fair play to you,i for one doubted this coyuld ever be done so nice one!
That will be some weapon when finished and opens a whole new avenue of tuning options which result in far better bhp per £££
will keep a close eye on this +rep

[rallypvc]

that wiring looks um tastey


Im no spark so I've just unraveled it ready for the auto electrician I prefer the fabricating side of things

[rallypvc]

Why is the track so wide, what suspension are you running?


To avoid the wheel hitting the gearbox on full lock
Running gaz gold coilovers with fabricated top mounts and all fabricated extended lower arms and rack ect.

[shanemc]

To avoid the wheel hitting the gearbox on full lock
Running gaz gold coilovers with fabricated top mounts and all fabricated extended lower arms and rack ect.

Cool. Did you make the engine mounts yourself? How did you manage with the driveshafts?

[rallypvc]

Cool. Did you make the engine mounts yourself? How did you manage with the driveshafts?

Gearbox and cam end engine mounts are modified Honda units the front and rear are fully fabed units

As for the shafts I made mock up ones by joining Honda and large vaux ones together and then when length was all sorted sent away and had some made same as the mock ones but from one solid piece of material

[rallypvc]

Myself and my dad do all the fab work between us we are both engineers and work on lathes and milling machines all day so comes as second nature

[Connor]

As much as i am interested in the engine bay have you
got anymore pictures of the rest of the car, its a lovely colour :)

[rallypvc]

As much as i am interested in the engine bay have you
got anymore pictures of the rest of the car, its a lovely colour :)

I'll get some sorted Sunday it's ford imperial blue (escort cossie blue)

[Connor]

Sweet cheers, is it going be used competitively once completed?

[rallypvc]

Yes mate rally car if it's done this year (which it will) it's still ok to be used under new rally rules

[rallypvc]

Going to use it on track days as well

[db_1.2]

I hate to burst your bubble, but it's been done, quite a few years ago too.

Looks good though

[rallypvc]

Couple more pics

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/39227c2d.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/8c2725e0.jpg

[rallypvc]

I hate to burst your bubble, but it's been done, quite a few years ago too.

Looks good though

There's been one with anon vtec d series twin cam that would only go in strait lines because of drivers wheel hitting gearbox

There was also one that was started with a 2 litre vtec out of a civic ep3 type r but was abandoned and never finish

Do you know of another??

[wwmnw]

Madness.

I like madness.

[rallypvc]

Pic of the top mounts these are not the finished job they are made so the they are adjustable at the mo so we can move them out to suit the wider track and keep the the standard kpi

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/ab052d01.jpg

[Lewis.]

awesome project mate, i'll be following this one :thumb:

[shed-on-wheels]

Im no spark so I've just unraveled it ready for the auto electrician I prefer the fabricating side of things


ah fair play i dont mind wiring but i found it hard enoguh to do when i put a b16a into a 1.3 civic lol

[rallypvc]

Engine specs

* integra type r head ported polished skimmed tri-angle valve seats
* omnipower high compression flat face valves
* supertech double valve springs and retainers
* skunk2 pro series stage 2 cams and adjustable pullies
* 45mm itb's
* inlet manifold ported to suit head exhaust manifold ported to suit head and heat wrapped
* ek9 type r high compression pistons
* arp bolts used throughout
* light weight rods
* knife edge crank shaft
* light weight billet steel flywheel

Might be more that's all I can remember at the min

[rallypvc]

ah fair play i dont mind wiring but i found it hard enoguh to do when i put a b16a into a 1.3 civic lol

I'm colour blind so double confusing to me! Lol

[shed-on-wheels]

in a nova nice

[bainyboy sr]

really want to rip mine apart now i take it the standerd inlet wouldnt fit ?

[rallypvc]

really want to rip mine apart now i take it the standerd inlet wouldnt fit ?


No mate far to much bulk

[bainyboy sr]

great work mate

[db_1.2]

There's been one with anon vtec d series twin cam that would only go in strait lines because of drivers wheel hitting gearbox

There was also one that was started with a 2 litre vtec out of a civic ep3 type r but was abandoned and never finish

Do you know of another??

Dunno, a White one lol

[rallypvc]

Dunno, a White one lol

That had a none vtec d series engine and wouldn't turn corners

[MK1_Ben]

This is awesome buddy :) +rep

[Balley]

Is it me or does that Nova have Vtec yoo ? :D

I like muchly.

9000rpm and Change :D lol

[rallypvc]

Is it me or does that Nova have Vtec yoo ? :D

I like muchly.

9000rpm and Change :D lol

9500rpm and change! lol

[Dayle_]

I'm liking it mate! What events are you hoping to get out too once done?

[rallypvc]

Any that aren't too far away mate mostly Tarmac events though might be going to watch the AGBO stages on Sunday never seen it before.

Done a few rallys at manby, twyford, blyton, and swinderby back in the day in my dads old sunbeam. Did a couple of two day events at cadwell many moons ago!

[rallypvc]

Also been looking into maybe doing the Tarmac rounds of the ANCC championship

[rallypvc]

I'm liking it mate! What events are you hoping to get out too once done?


What car you in at Weston park? might come over and say hi

[rallypvc]

I'm liking it mate! What events are you hoping to get out too once done?

Are you co-droning in the 1300 Peugeot? Just checked the entry list

[jonn]

great work, what bhp is the engine?

[rallypvc]

great work, what bhp is the engine?

Not sure till it's wired up so I can get it tuned but would like to see 190-200bhp @ wheels seen engines of a similar spec hit the mid 190's

[Dayle_]

Are you co-droning in the 1300 Peugeot? Just checked the entry list

Yes mate im out in a 205 Rallye, 3rd year out at Weston Park we came first in class last year so need to be on it again from the start!

Engines only standard but Simon can fair peddle it and we work well together as a team, Last year we put a 180bhp Bowyer Nova to shame with 100hp less but we may not be so lucky this year!

Its a cracking event especially the end of the stage its similar to IOM lanes and really varied.

If you go come over and say hi!

[rallypvc]

Yes mate im out in a 205 Rallye, 3rd year out at Weston Park we came first in class last year so need to be on it again from the start!

Engines only standard but Simon can fair peddle it and we work well together as a team, Last year we put a 180bhp Bowyer Nova to shame with 100hp less but we may not be so lucky this year!

Its a cracking event especially the end of the stage its similar to IOM lanes and really varied.

If you go come over and say hi!

That's excellent i love to see the guys running nothing more than standard power giving the big boys a thumping!

If we make it I'll defo come say hello!

Fair bit of nut and bolt work to get done over the weekend though so not sure if we'll get there or not

[rallypvc]

Engine specs

* integra type r head ported polished skimmed tri-angle valve seats
* omnipower high compression flat face valves
* supertech double valve springs and retainers
* skunk2 pro series stage 2 cams and adjustable pullies
* 45mm itb's
* inlet manifold ported to suit head exhaust manifold ported to suit head and heat wrapped
* ek9 type r high compression pistons
* arp bolts used throughout
* light weight rods
* knife edge crank shaft
* light weight billet steel flywheel

Might be more that's all I can remember at the min

**edit**

* RC 310cc injectors
* Baffled sump
* Air con and pas pumps removed
* Custom alloy pullies
* Nova C20let alloy rad with 10" fan
* Honda p28 (integra type r) ecu socketed and fitted with hondata s300 tunning chip

[g111mds]

nice to see something a bit different. I did toy with the idea of going vtec for my Mk1 at one stage.

[Southie]

Nice to see a decent conversion making people talk on here, what drive shafts are you running then?

[Mike]

get your ass on the funkypower website for some serious hp upgrades chap.

[rallypvc]

Nice to see a decent conversion making people talk on here, what drive shafts are you running then?

Made my own using welded together Honda and vaux shafts then once the design was perfected sent them off and had some made up

[rallypvc]

Just a quick update made some progress this weekend got new fuel pump in finished off all the fuel lines got it pressured up with no leaks! Design of the exhaust is now complete will be getting fully built out of stainless and fitted on the 26th.
I'll try and get some progress pics up asap

[rallypvc]

Pic of one of the two new steel wings that I've made the other is buried at the back of the garage and couldn't be arsed to dig it out lol

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/484320d7.jpg

[rallypvc]

Update car has just come back from having exhaust built couple of poor pics here I'll try and get some better ones up Friday

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/bb81486f.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/cc19ad0f.jpg

[Mazz]

Very cool project, not sure if i've missed it, but does it run?

[rallypvc]

Not yet mate just getting the money together now to get it off to the spark to be wired up then just tune and play!

[Mazz]

Shweeet, what sort of power you expecting?

[rallypvc]

Should be 190 to 200bhp @ wheels seen similar set ups make mid 190s so here's hoping!

[16xe_chris]

very very nice project there matey :thumb:

[Connor]

Havent checked back on this in a while.
Top work mate keep it up, loving the wings, will look awesome all painted up

[rallypvc]

Cheers for the comments guys feel free to subscribe to my thread I try to update as offen as I can only prob is I'm not a big picture taker like to just get on with the job and finish it normally forget to take pics during so they usually end up being before and after shots lol

[rallypvc]

very very nice project there matey :thumb:

Is cmcoposites you company mate? If so do you make mk2 gsi bumpers??

[zeifer33]

Fantastic, simply impressive:eek: you have a video? i like to see in action.

[rallypvc]

Fantastic, simply impressive:eek: you have a video? i like to see in action.

Gracias! No vids yet got the wiring and tuning still to do

[The Simps]

Very interesting build indeed. Looks like a high quality of workmanship. How is the flow effected with the trumpets up against the bulkhead like that? No room for a filter either?

[rallypvc]

Very interesting build indeed. Looks like a high quality of workmanship. How is the flow effected with the trumpets up against the bulkhead like that? No room for a filter either?

Flow shouldn't be effected to much they look closer in the pic than they actually are. And yeah I can slip filter socks onto the trumpets so no probs there

[rallypvc]

If the tuner say air flow is being restricted enough to bother the engine I'll cut a small section of the bulkhead and put a 90degree inswept panel in to let the air flow easier but I don't forsee a prob with it

[The Simps]

:thumb:

[Edd]

Awesome stuff !

Never thought anybody would do it :)

[rallypvc]

Another quick update fuel system totally finished now
Pics of ATL fuel cell set up

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/79f4b803.jpg

Cover for fuel cell

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/e38a69b5.jpg

Drivers front wing finished ready for top coat

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/ab32dfd8.jpg

Passenger wing 90% completed

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/fbf75393.jpg

Quick inside shot

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/1bd24f07.jpg

Rear end new repackable silencer

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz201/rallymann123/0d77ffeb.jpg

I'll be back with more news soon just got to finish painting front wings and tidy up and paint wheels while I save the cash for wiring

[yellowsrnova]

very interesting project
vtec nova
sir nova :)

[rallypvc]

very interesting project
vtec nova
sir nova :)

lol I was thinking hondall novic sir

[Adam]

Cool project :cool:

[NathanSRi]

Nova Type R :)

[boyd_1989]

nice project mate, i like it :thumb:
i like nova's and i like honda's you pretty much have both in 1, im jealous lol
keep up the good work

[Nobby]

vteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccc yoooooooooooo

[rallypvc]

Sorry to all following this thread I've neglected it a bit huge up date finally found an auto electrician willing and cleaver enough to take on the task of wiring the engine up had him round a few times and on Sunday got the engine fired up! Very exciting fired instant huge sigh of relief all round got a little clip of it starting and running I'll get it up asap bit up in the air at the mo as I'm moving house as well.

Just thort I'd let people know the project is progressing and not stopped

Next step is finish all wiring off, buy a tuneable ecu, get it tuned and enjoy lol

[zeifer33]

Fantastic mate, Honda engine in a small nova has to be really worth to seeing.lol

I hope to see a video soon.:thumb:

[fossit85]

well done bud just been looking at you project really impressed!! im in the middle o restoring an old f reg nova to e16se spec.

[fossit85]

:thumb:

[g111mds]

any videos of it running?

[scott.parker]

Wow not seen this before, looks a dam good conversion, will be a one of a kind once finished.

[zeifer33]

How it goes mate? You already have running the nova?:thumb:

[rallypvc]

I have a video of the car running taken with my iPhone can't upload it to photobucket using there iPhone app and have no Internet access other than on my phone at the mo anyone know an app or website I can upload it to direct from iPhone?

[Nova-nation]

I have a video of the car running taken with my iPhone can't upload it to photobucket using there iPhone app and have no Internet access other than on my phone at the mo anyone know an app or website I can upload it to direct from iPhone?


Great project! cant wait to hear a vtec screaming nova!

why dont you try just uploading it to youtube from your iphone?

[rallypvc]

Can't no YouTube account and you can't sign up using iphone

[shed-on-wheels]

great news bud hell of a task to take on hats off to you!!

[TeddyThom]

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/teddythom/vtecscrewup.jpg

lol.

I joke mate. Just read through, makes a change to find something done with a nova that has either never been done before/rarely done.
Not upto date on honda engines at all, you reckon this one is bombproof as they say??

[Nova-nation]

Can't no YouTube account and you can't sign up using iphone

Just tried it on my iPhone, you can sign up if you go on the YouTube website, scroll down, click on 'desktop' then you have the normal site, therefore you can make an account, then upload using the app! :)

[rallypvc]

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/teddythom/vtecscrewup.jpg

lol.

I joke mate. Just read through, makes a change to find something done with a nova that has either never been done before/rarely done.
Not upto date on honda engines at all, you reckon this one is bombproof as they say??

lol here's hoping it's bomb proof the standard unit is but you can never be sure with any highly modded engine but I've built and run a few of these engines and not had any big probs having said that I've never had one as high spec as this but I'm fairly confident in it

[rallypvc]

Short YouTube vid now on search "nova vtec first start up" should find it please read the discription

[Andy_L]

Great to see it in there and running.

Out of interest how much wider does the track need to be with the engine in?

[Southie]

Brilliant stuff on getting this up and running. :cool:

Here's your youtube link ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZcfoArfTQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZcfoArfTQ

[rallypvc]

Great to see it in there and running.

Out of interest how much wider does the track need to be with the engine in?


Off the top of my head think we settled on about 35mm a side made my own bottom arms and rack ends to make it pos

[rallypvc]

Brilliant stuff on getting this up and running. :cool:

Here's your youtube link ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZcfoArfTQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZcfoArfTQ


Cheers mate and thanks for the link

[TeddyThom]

lol here's hoping it's bomb proof the standard unit is but you can never be sure with any highly modded engine but I've built and run a few of these engines and not had any big probs having said that I've never had one as high spec as this but I'm fairly confident in it
Win. As long as you are confident then that's all that matters :)

Would love some videos of this blasting round a track

[pyromaniac_yeti]

Bens 2nd civic ran one of the B16 engine's in it.

Had a dyno printout of 175bhp at the wheels, and had a tendancy to ping it off the limiter every five minuites...that never broke.

The D14 honda engine in the first car (1.4, single cam 16v, non vtec) took enough boost to make a dyno'd 180bhp at the wheels, that had the same treatment, and a month of running an original ECU with no remap, and proceeded to last three months further of him winding the boost controller up a smidge every other day...cant remember for **** what he was running when it finally broke, but i know it was well over 12psi (with a standard head gasket, head studs, pistons, rods, crank, standard compression, and 91,000 on the clock)

VERY strong engines, only reason i'd ever own one tbh!!

[svlet]

What's the engine out of a jordan or just a vti mate. My mate has an ek9 nothing beats the noise

[pyromaniac_yeti]

What, this sound?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDNxkUiUws

:d


The thing that always gets me with that video, is at what point precisely in life do you realise you can accurately impersonate a honda civic using an old drainpipe?

[pie]

f lol

[boffer8]

i wouldnt have said the impersonation of the vtec yo! but the inline 6 turbo that sounds just like a skyline with turbo flutter as well! wtf lol

[shed-on-wheels]

lmao wtf thats brill!!!

[rallypvc]

What's the engine out of a jordan or just a vti mate. My mate has an ek9 nothing beats the noise

It's out of a jdm civic sir2 and it's got all b16b internals from ek9

[Bamo]

Has this going, any more updates or videos on it running/ driving