new wheels, now for lowering!

[Nova_Ro]

so finaly ive got round to picking up my wheels, got them for £150 with tyres which i thought wasnt too bad, two back tyres are almost brand new toyo proxy's and fronts are still faily new too :thumb:
didnt actually know if i was going to keep them on after i baught them as they arnt the usual look for a nova wheel but after trying them on im thinking of keeping them. only problem is that its still on standard springs and shocks...
and i am in the process of getting some -60mm gmaxx springs and shocks from someone on here and dont know wether i will have the clearance :confused:
the wheels as they are have about 4mm clearence from all suspention and brake components so its not too bad, but im not sure if 7j wheels will still clear after the drop?
will do some measuring today but let me know what you guys think about them!
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[davidfox280585]

not a prayer,they will destroy your arches and wings when lowered in my opinion,i may be wrong which i probally am,id be speaking to the likes of mayhem as he may have come across deep dished wheels with wrong offset with him being in the euro

[mowgli]

agreed, they stick out way too much before you've even thought about lowering... you either need arch spats, or different wheels.

[G-nova]

They look well good though mate, would be a shame if you cant get them to fit.
Might be worth seeing if you can get them machined from inside or similar.

[Royston]

Not a chance, what offset?

Seen Edd's issues on his Sport? ET33

At least it is a more door with arches.

[Mieran]

I would get coilovers and adjust them so the height it just above the tyre

[nova gsi ian]

They look stupid,

[mowgli]

I would get coilovers and adjust them so the height it just above the tyre

sticky outy tyres are illegal.

[Royston]

sticky outy tyres are illegal.

Well the tread pattern, sidewalls are OK;)

[Mieran]

I had 9J borbets on my Vectra B, never got pulled

[nova_saloon]

what you think? think it doesnt look to bad

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/pirrip/IMAG0495copy.jpg

[tommy8252]

The stance is nice but I'm sure as soon as you hit a pot hole you'll tear your tyres/arches to pieces

[Royston]

Shame you can't photoshop the axle width onto the carlol

[sport]

Shame you can't photoshop the axle width onto the carlol

lol :cry: lol

[Connor]

Just flare and pull the hell outta those arches,
will look cool if pulled off right, too much poke looks gay and costs you 3 points per wheel sticking out

[Jeff16v]

turn em round, ubber rare alloyslol

[Mcgowan]

I like! :d just stretch your tires a bit and you'll be good :thumb:

[Jack]

I'm sure I remember a previous thread about tyres poking out and not actually being able to find the regulation or law that said it was baaaad mkay. Anyone have it to quote or a source?

However, especially on budget gmax suspension, that is going to shred tyres. You may be better off swapping to tyres with more stretch and rolling the arches, might just scuff the sidewall rather than cut the tread as they would now (on the front at least).

They don't look allll that wide, they must have a positive offset?!

[Connor]

Its definately illegal, they measure how much the wheel is poking out from where the tread sticks out, think the allowance was 1" iirc, i will have a word with my mate who got 3 points for it , they said to him that it should of been 12 points, 3points per wheel. This is what it looked like when he got the points.
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[Jack]

Oh aye, I'm not arguing whether or not it is, I was just curious as to what law/reg defines it.

Front wheel on that golf is a little bit overly-protrusive though lol

[G-nova]

looking at the golf compared to the nova I think you might get away with it mate lol
Just as-long as they don't catch the arches

[Nova_Ro]

well as most of my freinds are heavily into there dub scenes they all have much worse poke than what ive got currently, and after being pulled nothing has come of any convictions because of wheels. i will be looking into rolling the arches but as i have no idea on how to do it myself im kind of stuck... i will see how much stretch i can get aswell

[Connor]

The offset for those wellers is -8 lol, and he had the arches pulled alot out and arch extensions put on. Tbf the wheels looked ridiculous when it was like that nd he was asking for points plus the essex police dont take no crap lol . I will ask him what exactly he was done for, think it was for something along the lines of driving a vehicle dangerous for the road or something. here was it afterwards that made it legal.
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[G-nova]

get a piece of scaffolding bar wedge it between your tyre and arch and roll car back and forth until desired flair is reached lifting bar up and down while rolling back n forth helps flair it out as-well. Wont cost a penny nice and slowly and it shouldn't damage paint. Other option is by a pro but they will charge quite a bit but make sure they have the proper machine/tool if not all they will use is hammer and dolly not as good.

[Nova_Ro]

right i should be sorted now, will be trying the old penny washer trick to give it some camber to hopefully pull the tops in that little bit extra and having a freind roll my arches and maybe give them a bit of a flair while they are at it. then if theres need for a little bit more then i will get some more stretched tyres! and if i take the lowering steady, maybe just go for 40? at first then see if it will take 60?
and for who ever asked about the offset as i know its 38? used to be on a polo

[Royston]

Oh aye, I'm not arguing whether or not it is, I was just curious as to what law/reg defines it.

Front wheel on that golf is a little bit overly-protrusive though lol

It is probably construction and use regulations, where ever it is written it refers to tread pattern of tyre, not the side wall;)

[Nova_Ro]

so side wall can be poking?

[Mcgowan]

The tread of the tyre is not alowed to protrude beyond the body thus stretching to get around this because there is no law for sidewall or wheel rim protrusion :thumb:

[Royston]

This may be of interest, long read or go to bottom;)

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/24937-stretched-tyres-are-they-legal-or-not/page__st__20



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Final answer - - -

Council Directive 78/549/EEC of 12 June 1978 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the wheel guards of motor vehicles

2.1.2. The rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre, or in the case of twin wheels the median longitudinal plane of the outermost tyre.

2.1.3. The contour and location of the wheel guards shall be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible ; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in 2.1.1, they shall satisfy the following requirements: 2.1.3.1. the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in 2.1.1;


In short, the wheel must NOT protrude more than 30mm past the edge of the mudguard.

Full webiste for the legislation can be found here (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31978L0549:EN:NOT)

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Thanks for all the replies so far. It seems Ian has it covered on the wheel width front. So anyone running these wheels needs to make sure there is less than 30mm extending outside of the main body of the car.

On the tyre front I have found these extracts from tyre makers websites:

Dunlop
"RIM WIDTH
Correct rim width ensures flex at the designed flex point in a tire sidewall for optimum tire performance.
If the rim is too wide, the flex point moves towards the rim area, causing heat buildup in the lower sidewall, which reduces tire life and could result in failure. Either too narrow or too wide of a rim can result in uneven tread/pavement contact pressure causing uneven wear and potentially reduced traction, or increased vulnerability to bead dis-lodgement. "

Toyo
"Serious personal injury or death can result from failure to select the proper tire and rim: Tire MUST match the width and diameter requirements of the rim. When mounting truck type radial tires use only wheels approved for radial tires.

NEVER put flammable substances in tire/rim assemblies at any time. Never put any flammable substance into a tire/rim assembly and attempt to ignite to seat the beads.

NOTE TO PROFESSIONAL TIRE INSTALLERS: Exceeding the maximum bead seating pressure — The tire service person must NEVER INFLATE BEYOND 40 POUNDS PRESSURE TO SEAT BEADS unless specified by the tire manufacturer! "


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Michelin:

"s it possible to fit different tyres ? Back to "Advice from Bibendum"
Is it possible to fit different types of tyre on a vehicle? As far as the tyres on your vehicle are concerned, the "road vehicles (Construction & Use) regulations 1986", specifically Regs 24 to 27 specify exactly what types of tyres can legally be fitted to your vehicle. Michelin strongly recommend that you consult your vehicles' manufacturer if you wish to alter from the original specification of tyres. Alternatively you can contact Michelin for advice."


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Back to top of the page up there ^ (http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/24937-stretched-tyres-are-they-legal-or-not/page__st__20#top)Personally I don't like stretched tyres, it must me the engineer me........

Awaits response from Mayhem, big offsets affect wheel bearings, tyre manufacturers recommend a rim with range for their tyres, so if a tyre is stretched to a non specified rim you will be on your own if there was an accident/claim as the tyre manufacturer would be in the clear.

Wrong rim width also affect tyre performance/capability