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fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 06:00 PM
hi all had my nova xe mot'ed today! She failed! Lol! Not on too much and the mot place is mega fussy! Failed on 2 rear wheel bearings and headlights need adjusting! They were fine on the emisions, car is a k reg with a non cat and no lambda engine. But said i needed to change the log book from a 1.2 to a 2.0 to get the certificute? I am goin to do this but didnt think i needed to for the mot?
Any help?
Cheers
General Baxter
11-03-11, 06:04 PM
best tax it and insure it as a 2L then lol
which you should allready have done
fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 06:07 PM
yeah i know that! Lol! But i jus wanted the mot cert first insted of messin about gettin log book changed first. Do you need log book correct in order to get mot?
Cheers
Hopefully not as I'm planning on doing this. MOT it, tax it then change the logbook.
The mot computer will bring up what the log book says. Which is where you may get the probs from. As it might what to mot it as a 1.2 so things like emission and stuff with be miles out.
fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 06:24 PM
cant you change the mot computer?
kevster
11-03-11, 06:26 PM
i thought you can change the size to 2.0l on the mot computer .
well you used to as my old sri was done like that .
going to ask the tester in the morning
The mot computer will bring up what the log book says. Which is where you may get the probs from. As it might what to mot it as a 1.2 so things like emission and stuff with be miles out.
Emissons shouldn't be any different, cat test allows for a maximum of 0.2% CO and 200 HC on fast idle.
and your aloud alot more on pre cat test
So your standard 1.2i nova shouldn't be much different, if any to a 2.0i
So as long as your not putting a 20XE with no cat in a post 24/08/1992 car you will be fine :) but if you are you only need to prove its a pre 24/08/1992 engine.
i thought you can change the size to 2.0l on the mot computer .
well you used to as my old sri was done like that .
going to ask the tester in the morning
yes you can but its not strictly wright if your log book says 1.2
fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 06:56 PM
yeah cars a k reg 1.2 and the engine is a non cat non lambda sensor 2.0! What shall i do go argue the toss 2moz? Lol!
If it's 20XE (opposed to C20XE) then it should be quite easy to prove it's an early engine.
I was recently told the engine year is stamped on the cam cap underneath the oil cap too so check that!?
General Baxter
11-03-11, 07:27 PM
indeed it is ian lol
I'm glad you have backed up this fact Boxter.
i thought you can change the size to 2.0l on the mot computer .
well you used to as my old sri was done like that .
going to ask the tester in the morning
if he changes it on the MOT computer then you will get a nasty letter from VOSA demanding to inspect it. we did this with the colour a few months back as he had it resprayed, and he got in some **** for not declaring the change. lol
but seriously, just send off the log book, all you have to do is write '1998' in a box, write the date and your name and post it :roll:
reevie1987
11-03-11, 08:05 PM
so if your cars a c20xe and its a 1.4 on the logbook and insured as a 1.4 merit say the tester wont give you a pass cert if it passes its mot?
I'm guessing it depends who's doing the mot if there not fussy and car passes mot then I can't see why they wouldn't give you one!
Not what you know it's who you know!!
but seriously, just send off the log book, all you have to do is write '1998' in a box, write the date and your name and post it :roll:
....then the DVLA send it back saying they want evidence of the change lol
so if your cars a c20xe and its a 1.4 on the logbook and insured as a 1.4 merit say the tester wont give you a pass cert if it passes its mot?
They cant fail it for having an unregistered engine, so long as its fitted correctly and its safe then it should be fine. I mena, for all they know you might have been instructed to MOT it before they will issue a log book. they are being dicks, and if there are no other faults, have no grounds to refuse a certificate based on that alone.
....then the DVLA send it back saying they want evidence of the change lol
ah but thats phase 2 of the fun and games lol to get the ball rolling he barely needs to do anything.
I'd rather they wrote back asking for proof rather than get a snotty reply because the tester has changed it on the system. But then, I dont have an undeclared engine conversion so this bothers me not lol
fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 09:19 PM
ok so when i go collect the car 2moz and see the mot tester what shall i say to him?
He has no right to refuse mot cert on unregistered engine?
yeah just say that you are in the process of registering the new motor and need it tested before they will issue a new log book.
whatever you do, don't go giving him attitude about it, or he'll not do anything to help. he'll find a reason not to test it at all if he doesn't want to
So as long as your not putting a 20XE with no cat in a post 24/08/1992 car you will be fine :) but if you are you only need to prove its a pre 24/08/1992 engine.
Makes no odds on a Nova. Having an engine fitted that the manufacturer never put in the model themselves means by default it gets the basic emissions test. If the car was newer (mid 90's 96/97 IIRC) then the rules differ.
I have a 1995 engine fitted in a 1993 car - basic emissions test despite the car originally having a cat.
fastcar1cars
11-03-11, 10:11 PM
ok ill go ask the question 2moz! Ill jus say i need a valid mot to change the log book! Lol!
Saloony
12-03-11, 12:49 AM
Makes no odds on a Nova. Having an engine fitted that the manufacturer never put in the model themselves means by default it gets the basic emissions test. If the car was newer (mid 90's 96/97 IIRC) then the rules differ.
I have a 1995 engine fitted in a 1993 car - basic emissions test despite the car originally having a cat.
Go read the rules again, you can take it further than that. Its all how you interpret the rules :thumb:
I think you agree with what I've said? lol
Anyway for reference this is the flow chart that applies to Nova's. You'll see the reference to finding an exact match in the analyser machine or the book. You'll always end up with a non cat test for any engine Vauxhall didn't fit to the Nova.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/emissions.jpg
He has no right to refuse mot cert on unregistered engine?
He has every right as it is his licence on the line should he issue an MOT on an incorrect/unworthy vehicle, go in with an attitude and he will probably tell you it has serious MOT fails and prohibit your use of it on the road and make you leave it there (which they can do btw) and if your car doesnt have an MOT already or its run out, you arent supposed to drive it home from the MOT station as you havent got a valid MOT, you are only permitted to drive it TO the MOT for the test!
He has every right as it is his licence on the line should he issue an MOT on an incorrect/unworthy vehicle, go in with an attitude and he will probably tell you it has serious MOT fails and prohibit your use of it on the road and make you leave it there (which they can do btw) and if your car doesnt have an MOT already or its run out, you arent supposed to drive it home from the MOT station as you havent got a valid MOT, you are only permitted to drive it TO the MOT for the test!
This has not been the case since computerisation came in. As a test station, all we can do is advise the customer not to drive it, and make the customer sign a disclaimer. To withhold the vehicle is a crime, and if it came down to it, the police would side with the customer (in this case, the fact that it may be unroadworthy is a separate matter entirely)
oh and you can drive it home too. read paragraph 2 on the back of your VT30
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu307/hay_lewis_68/001-1.jpg
sorry to sh*t on your cake spud lol
craig green
12-03-11, 02:57 PM
It seems to me like the guy has spotted an engine (size) that isnt declared, he doesnt like it for whatever reason yet has continued to carry out the test/issue a failure. Yet you now owe him a test fee. Odd.
Maybe take the V5 form along when you collect the car, fill out the engine size change declaration & leave it with him with an envelope & stamp for him to post.................
But mr Lewis, it says you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it does not comply to various regulations affecting its construction or use, additionally the insurance may not be valid.
Basically its saying there is nothing wrong with doing it in theory but its still illegal, which is the point i was trying to make, so i have removed poo from my cake and chucked it right back at ya:p
fastcar1cars
12-03-11, 04:09 PM
He has every right as it is his licence on the line should he issue an MOT on an incorrect/unworthy vehicle, go in with an attitude and he will probably tell you it has serious MOT fails and prohibit your use of it on the road and make you leave it there (which they can do btw) and if your car doesnt have an MOT already or its run out, you arent supposed to drive it home from the MOT station as you havent got a valid MOT, you are only permitted to drive it TO the MOT for the test!
yeah i would never go with attitude! This isnt my style! I only want to know if my car can legally pass an mot with an undeclared engine?
The car is all above board engine brakes ect. Jus have not yet declared engine and jus want an mot as its somthing crossed off my to do list! Lol!
Cheers
fastcar1cars
12-03-11, 04:46 PM
repost! lol!
But mr Lewis, it says you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it does not comply to various regulations affecting its construction or use, additionally the insurance may not be valid.
Basically its saying there is nothing wrong with doing it in theory but its still illegal, which is the point i was trying to make, so i have removed poo from my cake and chucked it right back at ya:p
I know, but it just means you cant be prosecuted for driving with no MOT, most coppers would let you go to from a test with no hassle, its just VOSA covering their ****.
and as you said this
you aren't supposed to drive it home from the MOT station you are only permitted to drive it TO the MOT for the test
so yes, you made half of your point correctly , but the other half was... er... not very pointy lol :p is that poo I can see on your cake? :wtf: lol
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