Pic request - sump guard brackets

[mk1nova_rich]

Has anyone got pictures of the brackets they have welded onto the shell for the sump guard to mount onto??

Or just any general info would be much appreciated :thumb:

[MK1_Ben]

Probably not of help, but when I was building MG rally cars we used to drill through the front crossmember each side and weld a nut to this. Then the same was done again to the chassis rails.

The sump guard was then lifted up to these, loctite applied to the bolts and they were done up then Torque'd up accordingly.

[mk1nova_rich]

I appreciate the help but the Nova engine sits quite a bit lower than the bottom of the crossmember so it can't be flat, I already have a sump guard but it slopes up at the front so the brackets need to be angled. I saw a Nova in the service area at Croft which looked to have a similar setup to what I need but sods law I didn't have my camera with me :(

[Southie]

Rich, pm 16xe_chris as he had one similar on his old rally car ;)

[mk1nova_rich]

Cheers Dave, oh by the way Sunday roast was bang on so there :p lol

[phunkynova]

I will try to take some photos of my sump guard brackets tomorrow and put them on this thread for you so long as i don't forget

[Mike]

There just flat steel or aluminium section with a captive bolt welded onto them.

[phunkynova]

There just flat steel or aluminium section with a captive bolt welded onto them.
I have a different set up on my car. Photos tomorrow night

[Mike]

I have a different set up on my car. Photos tomorrow night

The ones HH supplied me are nice an simple, Im sure theres photos in the Nova GrpA build manual aswell.

The pug's I used to do are a lot different mind. None of this micky mouse bracketry bollox lol

EDIT: Probably the best pic google or anywhere else has to offer...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nova-Sump-Guard-10mm-Dural-BRAND-NEW-Sumpguard-/350443615588?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5198113564

[mk1nova_rich]

Thats a bit more helpful Mike, cheers. Its more for determining the level the sump guard wants to sit at as I don't have an engine in to gauge it....

[phunkynova]

yer that's about 99% how mine is if you still need more photos let me know

[mk1nova_rich]

yeh the more the better :thumb:

[phunkynova]

yeh the more the better :thumb:
ok tomorrow then
:thumb:

[16xe_chris]

The ones HH supplied me are nice an simple, Im sure theres photos in the Nova GrpA build manual aswell.

The pug's I used to do are a lot different mind. None of this micky mouse bracketry bollox lol

EDIT: Probably the best pic google or anywhere else has to offer...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nova-Sump-Guard-10mm-Dural-BRAND-NEW-Sumpguard-/350443615588?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5198113564


Got your pm rich, my sump guard was the same one as mike's put up here, i don't have any pics unfortunately, the front mounts on the shell use the bolts that hold the tie rods on with the slope part facing back towards the engine. At the rear of the sump guard the brackets fitted around the bottom arm and you had to re-drill the bottom arm holes back in the steel once they were all welded in place.

Hope this helps :thumb:

[mk1nova_rich]

yeh, hopefully I can replicate the brackets on the picture from the info given

[16xe_chris]

yeh, hopefully I can replicate the brackets on the picture from the info given

Is it the front brackets or rears you are trying to make?

The fronts will be easy but the back ones are fairly fancylol

[mk1nova_rich]

Both actually, I've been looking at one of these lower braces that bolt between the TCA mounts...then securing the sump guard to that somehow

[16xe_chris]

Both actually, I've been looking at one of these lower braces that bolt between the TCA mounts...then securing the sump guard to that somehow

Just looked at that build guide for you and theres nothing on there, if your fabricating them yourself make them quick-ish release as mine were a pain in the ass to remove in a hurry lol

[Steve0011]

have a look, just spotted these on fleabay :)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Harry-Hockley-Competition-Front-Sumpguard-Mounts-/200579885478?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb37e29a6

[Southie]

Just looked at that build guide for you and theres nothing on there, if your fabricating them yourself make them quick-ish release as mine were a pain in the ass to remove in a hurry lol
I remember something catching fire at some point lol

[16xe_chris]

I remember something catching fire at some point lol

lol maybe you can't put fiberglass that close to an exhaust after all lol

[Southie]

lol maybe you can't put fiberglass that close to an exhaust after all lol
That was it, I'd forgot lol

[mk1nova_rich]

not sure them HH ones will work, my sump guard is narrower than the gap between the tie bar brackets

[16xe_chris]

not sure them HH ones will work, my sump guard is narrower than the gap between the tie bar brackets

It should be wider than the gap between the tie bar brackets so it protects them aswell as the sump :thumb:

Also if its wider than the tie bars it will be easier to mount at the rear using the bottom arm mounting location.

[Steve0011]

so is mine as far as i can remember :)

i have allmost identical brackets you need to make a backing plate with captive nuts that slide into the cross member, drill a couple of holes to suit and bolt them on, then possition your guard and make and drill holes to mount the guard to the brackets.

never had and problems attaching to the cross member and believe me i have had some big hits on my guard :d

[mk1nova_rich]

I've bought it now lol so I'll just have to work with what I've got :d

[mk1nova_rich]

mint Steve, cheers. I'll keep an eye on them brackets then :)

[Mazz]

I've these HH ones if your interested? I had them with my plating kit and didn't fit them..

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1379/novad.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/novad.jpg/)

[jonn]

i made my own sump guard it is bolted at the back then goes up at a angle to the front cross member and bolted to it
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/jonny057/Picture77937.jpg

[mk1nova_rich]

Cheers for that Jonn, don't suppose you could measure the distance between the TCA bolt and the sump guard?! To make sure I get enough clearance under the engine...

[jonn]

ya i can check that for you tomorrow

[mk1nova_rich]

nice one pal, I've already given you +rep :thumb:

[phunkynova]

OK here are the photos of my sump guard it's not on the car but I hope it helps you

In the first two pic's is the front mounting bracket which is just bolted to the front tie bar mount by the two bolts and is in a T shape the top of the T is where it mounts to the tie bar and then the leg coming down has a hole in it for the guard.


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011001.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011008.jpg


The next 3 pic's of the rear mount point which is a a bracket welded to the car at the bottom arm mounting area

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011004.jpg



http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011006.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011007.jpg


the next photo's are of the mount on the sump guard


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011014.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011017.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011018.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011020.jpg


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af71/phunkferret/sump%20guard%202011/sumpguardphotos2011022.jpg


Hope this help's

[16xe_chris]

That is exactly the same one i had on my rally car, it weighs a bloody tone lol

[phunkynova]

That is exactly the same one i had on my rally car, it weighs a bloody tone lol Yer it dose that. But it's had a hard life, was used for off road event's before I got it so it's a bit bent up now. But good kit :thumb:

[jonn]

from the center of the bolt to the surface of the sump guard it is 105 mm
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/jonny057/untitledyhy.jpg

[mk1nova_rich]

very helpful mate, thanks again :)

[phunkynova]

Is the guard for a rally car and if so for tarmac or loose surface use ?

[mk1nova_rich]

road rally car but will also use it for marshalling. So only light to medium use, with occasional rough surface

[phunkynova]

So you maybe be doing some yumping on them road rally's if you make a bracket like Jonns it will bend on the first heavy landing. If you look at my photo's you will see a block at the back of the guard this sits under the rear gear box/engine mount and adds extra strength and support to the guard.If you look you will also see my brackets are buckled and bent they will take a lot of s**t so don't make them weak or it's you engine sump next. No offense meant Jonn.

[mk1nova_rich]

well I've won those Harry Hockly brackets that were on ebay so that should be the front sorted. Thanks for the link, I wouldn't have seen them otherwise :) when they arrive I can have a play about with mounting it