View Full Version : c16xe 240bhp wow
Danny s-p
11-02-11, 10:12 PM
not a miss print i am going on about the c16xe. just been reading the new tv mag and it say SBD can get 240 bhp out of them at 10,000 rpm:eek:. is this true and how much money has to be spent. it got to be a fear few thousand.
mk1nova_rich
11-02-11, 10:14 PM
theres a couple putting out around the 260bhp mark... to get 240bhp you are looking between £10-12,000
they were getting 220 hp about 15 years ago
Motorsport Services charge £9900+vat for a similiar power pre built unit.
theres a couple putting out around the 260bhp mark... to get 240bhp you are looking between £10-12,000
Unless you do a Baxter.
I was about to say about baxter lol.
Gareth_C
11-02-11, 10:17 PM
I bet they go well but i wonder how long it will last
mk1nova_rich
11-02-11, 10:19 PM
Unless you do a Baxter.
But these engines are built for competition use, so Baxter's engine would be in the over 2.0 class :p
Baxters was for the traffic light competition.
I'm guessing the SBD ones are n/a engines? Throttle bodies h/c pistons mad cams etc etc ?
Motorsport Services charge £9900+vat for a similiar power pre built unit.
Obviously the price on most of these engines is in machining and labour though, as per anything, sure you could build one for far far less using your own parts! Unless it's got a proper job 4x scavenge dry sump system, as from what I can see the parts for that run you about £3000 lol I'd expect more than 240 out of it if they went that far though.
MBE 967E management system, with full spec wiring loom.....£820
Jenvey tapered throttle body set.......£951
Injector set.........£280
Competition steel rod kit.....£672
(Ultra light steel crank……£1580 Optional)
Dry sump system…….£763.75
Camshafts......£580
Solid cam follower kit.....£355
Valve spring/cap kit.....£165
Vernier pulleys.....£145
Piston set.....£415
Cylinder head mods......£850
Stainless valve set……£296
Breather, sump and cam cover kit........£450 (for non dry sump applications)
Steel 7.25” flywheel……£235
Single plate paddle clutch assy…..£371
Labour to build.& dyno.....£1800
Misc build parts.....£389
Tubular exhaust manifold……£370
Total £9907 + vat
Gareth_C
11-02-11, 10:24 PM
there you go
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Taper%20Kits/New%201.6L%20Taper%20Kits/1.6L%20TP%20kit%20top%20of%20the%20range/1.6L%20TP%20kit%20top%20of%20the%20range.htm
Actually that seems pretty fair, and labour costs are only about a 5th... surprising how it adds up lol
Actually that seems pretty fair, and labour costs are only about a 5th... surprising how it adds up lol
Personally, Id rather give my hard earned pound notes over to the likes of Motorsport Services, Toovey Race Engines, JRE Racing etc etc then the brand name that is SBD.
But again, thats merely a personal preference.
I'd rather build a turbo engine to challenge Specky with, for that kind of money lol
If we're talking absolute preference I'd rather deal with their suppliers direct including trade discount :cool: lol
will a saab lump fit into a corsa bay?
If we're talking absolute preference I'd rather deal with their suppliers direct including trade discount :cool: lol
Obviously where possible yes, but trying to find say, the original manufacturer of the dry sump kit for example, could prove hard. Whereas walking straight into the Jenvey factory in Kidderminster on the other hand, thats nice & simple (and about 20 mile from me :) )
Obviously where possible yes, but trying to find say, the original manufacturer of the dry sump kit for example, could prove hard. Whereas walking straight into the Jenvey factory in Kidderminster on the other hand, thats nice & simple (and about 20 mile from me :) )
Fancy a mince round if I supply the balaclavas? :)
Actually fcuk it, you've probably got some lol
Gareth_C
11-02-11, 10:33 PM
I'd rather build a turbo engine to challenge Specky with, for that kind of money lol
lol you cant even build an airfix model kit :p
lol you cant even build an airfix model kit :p
Just needs painting :(lol
Fancy a mince round if I supply the balaclavas? :)
Actually fcuk it, you've probably got some lol
Fresh out of Carlton GSi's though :( ram raidings just not the same anymore :cry: :cry:
Those corsa C S1600 were awesome little cars on Tarmac, I seen a few works cars at the Jim clark a good few years back, as mowgli says 220 over a decade ago,
200++hp 1600 motors have been around yonks yeah, same as all motor 300hp 20XE's.
Fresh out of Carlton GSi's though :( ram raidings just not the same anymore :cry: :cry:
I was thinking something more subtle like a crowbar, you know try to not get caught lol
edit: As for the power debate it depends who built it/what it is, tbh I have no doubt you could extract somewhere itro 350-400 from them with enough revs and the kind of expertise that leads into F1, but for average joe this would cost you 4x what it costs the teams to do lol
Bolt a turbo on it and depends just how well you can make everything that bolts onto it, sky is the limit basically.
I was thinking something more subtle like a crowbar, you know try to not get caught lol
Oh right. Its not really any fun tho is it really :(
Oh right. Its not really any fun tho is it really :(
Box upon box of ITB's? That's my kinda fun tbh lol Reckon they do a kit for an Isuzu 1.5td? lol
General Baxter
11-02-11, 11:02 PM
mine cost less then £600 lol
but had the torque to carry it aswell, unlike N/A 1600 lol
Danny s-p
11-02-11, 11:03 PM
and blew up and was not NA what bhp did u get baxter
General Baxter
11-02-11, 11:06 PM
just under 240 for about 20 seconds or something, till he switched it off lol
Baxters was for the traffic light competition.
yeah and pulling away in 3rd and 4th, and lighting the wheels up, is epic, till it chews the box :p
Why did he switch it off? Was it about to blow?
General Baxter
11-02-11, 11:22 PM
id have wiped mikes house of the map, simple lol
Danny s-p
11-02-11, 11:27 PM
lol snowdon what your little pic thing at the side of
lol snowdon what your little pic thing at the side of
Started like this
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/lostboy_014/SDC10962.jpg
Went a few rounds in photoshop and ended how it is, was in better quality but had to downgrade it a bit so I could upload it
SR-Rally
11-02-11, 11:56 PM
A friend of mine use to get around 200bhp from his 14 16v nova.
whos got nearly 260bhp from a 16xe? ive only ever known sbd to get the 240 odd bhp.
Motorsport Services charge £9900+vat for a similiar power pre built unit
mike - how come the specs on there website are virtually copied from the clark motorsport website and the prices? noticed it last time i had a look on there site....seems abit iffy thats all?:S
brownbear
12-02-11, 08:03 AM
they were getting 220 hp about 15 years ago
And I bet you were just as excited then....
Ive got no idea about specs/prices Philip, its just a company we've used before, same as Shenpar, they have similiar specs to other well known companies with similiar prices too, I just put it down to being competitive (business wise) an a formula that works sucessfully.
ah just when i had a look through the 2 sites some of the specs of who you suggest are identical to clark and even have cms cams, etc on the spec sheets. but i know theres pretty much a known spec to work off depending on what powers wanted etc, just paying for the experiance of the engine builder then:D
A friend of mine use to get around 200bhp from his 14 16v nova.
Velos did a mad 1.4 for Laurence(?) Bond. Was 175bhp when I saw it. Is that the guy you're talking about?
A lad who used to rally with us in the BTRDA used to have a 200hp 1.4 16v thing Neil Weaver. It used to rev and rev and rev. We too used to run a silly powered 1400 bowyer engine in a 106 then it through 3 rods when it hydrauliced at Weeton :tard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQpHBocn8I
AS local lad near me runs a 1.4 16v corsa that's putting out
Over 210bhp last time I was talking to him
peester
12-02-11, 07:53 PM
Small block valver FTW!
But.. The T.V mag engine guide tuning part at least is a bit poor; no effort seems to have gone into it, has to be said.
Im sure everyones' seen that adaptation from another mag on the SBD website - thats all the tuning guide for these engines youll ever need.
this 1.6 nova is 220bhp
http://billfalconer.webs.com/brianalanboggan.htm
General Baxter
12-02-11, 09:15 PM
this 1.6 nova is 220bhp
http://billfalconer.webs.com/brianalanboggan.htm
best quote EVER
The red top 2l Vauxhall – a bit of a dinosaur
SR-Rally
12-02-11, 09:53 PM
Velos did a mad 1.4 for Laurence(?) Bond. Was 175bhp when I saw it. Is that the guy you're talking about?
No, it was Martyn lewis, he competed in the 1400 btrda rally Championship. He knew how to peddle a nova!!
blue_peg_16v
12-02-11, 10:04 PM
there was a lad from york who had a 200bhp 1.4 16v rally car was mental, its one of phils mates was built by john reed
Ive drove a 204hp 1.4 8v 106 rally car, an safe to say, it was farking awesomely awesome.
BRoadGhost
12-02-11, 10:51 PM
Hmmm HOW can it be small block FTW if you spend that money doing the same to a C20XE?
Hmmm HOW can it be small block FTW if you spend that money doing the same to a C20XE?
Merely the pub bragging right of having similiar brake hamsters from smaller cc's compared to say the retail price of a brand new 3.2 Vec GSi lol
Same price, cheaper tax (?), arguably better MPG lol
BRoadGhost
13-02-11, 09:19 PM
And that is why your avatar features a bag of cash.
And that is why your avatar features a bag of cash.
Far from it im afraid.
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